Just A Mix Of Pics - Ray Green Collection

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I'm a year behind my magazine reading (cruising habit means time away, but the magazines keep coming), and in a note I read yesterday, on the passing of Sir Michael Edwardes last year, Red Robbo, the communist union leader at BL, called no less than 523 strikes before Edwardes got rid of him.

IMHO, BL failed mainly due to three factors. Weak management (prior to Edwardes); Red Robbo and the unions; accountants carrying more weight than engineers. Shame as I have always been a BMC/BL/Rover/MG/Jaguar/Land Rover fan and the only car I have ever owned that didn't come from that large stable, is the Marcos - and even that has a a few BL parts in it.

[Ray Bell]

I did say I had pics of a P76 Targa Florio, didn't I?


P76 on the road. Hustling up through the cutting to the Cootamundra rail underpass.


The boot. Yes, it was large. And the Targa Florio wheel is evident, these were cast by Lynx Engineering.


Michael and Gwen. The owners, the Livingstones. They had a lot of A-Model Fords too.


Three-quarter rear. The lines show up here as well as the colour which changed in the sun.


Wagon. Apparently some thought the boot wasn't big enough.

Michael died shortly after we had this photo session. I'm guessing the cars have been passed on through the family, as did the FJ panel van he restored which was bought new by Gwen's father.

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Caffeine & Classics today - without the caffeine, and a fraction of the usual numbers, but always something of interest.

This caught my eye. Body shape is based on the Volpini, but a Kiwi built special - 'Russolini' with 4 cylinder Toyota power. The builder has previously built 3 McLaren copies.

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Former ERC runner, Kelly Archer, now relaxing in Classic Trials

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How about this?



Screenshot from this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iuLffRiDqE

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1951's sports car - front engine


2000 sports car - rear engine


1950's single seater - front engine


1960's single seater - rear engine


Times change, yet even pre-war, we had the Auto Unions.

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That Jupiter's in way better shape than the last one I looked at...





Better days are coming, but they might take a while.

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Headlamp rims look to be in good nick! Better quality chrome than on the 1989 Honda 250 that I had.

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If I was donated 50 cents for every competition mile that Jupiter has done it would fund a LOT of racing!

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BMW

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There are some cars where the colour schemes are photogenic, like these two.

Steve O'Donoghue - Mirage


Michael Clark - Crossle


At this time of the year, I traditionally update my back ups and make an effort try and file all those pics still in limbo, old stuff recently scanned awaiting dates, and/or those pics where I can't identify the car.

As I've said before, I kept a diary from 1964, but my ex-wife nicked the 1969/1970 diaries and from then on, I didn't bother again until about 1990. So pics taken between 1968 and 1990 are often the difficult ones to file. Non race meeting dates are the most difficult, as there is no race programme!

Leafing through old diaries, occasionally there is a Eureka moment when I can fix a stray car pic, such as one taken outside J A Pearce wheels in Hounslow, showing a Ford Mustang, which they have asked to reproduce, I believe for a display at Silverstone.

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Filing pics can be a problem, lately I've been troubled trying to work out when I took this one:



It's not just that I don't know when it was, but I don't remember being there!

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Maybe we should start a new thread Ray, 'Information required'? We should get far more views than in a personal picture collection.

Milan has been brilliant in answering some of my queries, but I have a fair pile that even he may not be able to help. Some will remain a 'best guess' for the date, but if the subject is identified, at least it can be filed somewhere, even if the date is an approximate year, and 00, month and 00 day.

Normally, I need the exact date, and if a car, the make. Location is then of lesser importance.

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If someone could access the data in the picture I might find out I didn't take the photo...

That's always a possibility.

[Dale Harvey]

The photo is obviously in Sydney and it would be the LEADFOOTS lunch. These lunches were started for Lotus Elite owners / drivers and associated persons. This one would be when Sir John Whitmore came out to race an Elite and Lotus Cortina at Eastern Creek for the Tasman revival Meeting. I recognize five or six people in the room. I don't think this shot should be in this thread though.
Dale.

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I don't think this shot should be in this thread though. Dale.

There are quite a few that shouldn't really be in this thread Dale, but it is a public forum! As I suggested earlier, we need a new thread for those sorts of pics.

As an aside though, when my favourite jazz musician, Chris Barber, stopped racing his own Lotus Elite, also used as a road car, he carried on as an entrant and Sir John Whitmore drove it for him on several occasions and later, an early (fragile) Lotus Elan.

Chris is 90 years old and in a rest home now, having hung up his trombone August 2019, which is sad, but has always had a passion for cars.

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Back to the pics...

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Originally posted by Dale Harvey
The photo is obviously in Sydney and it would be the LEADFOOTS lunch. These lunches were started for Lotus Elite owners / drivers and associated persons. This one would be when Sir John Whitmore came out to race an Elite and Lotus Cortina at Eastern Creek for the Tasman revival Meeting. I recognize five or six people in the room. I don't think this shot should be in this thread though.
Dale.

I tend to agree, Dale, however I posted it in response to the comment by ERC about finding or dating pics...

Your post, though, has helped me date it and prove it wasn't mine. Brian Caldersmith sent it to me to post on TNF on the occasion of Sir John Whitmore's death. It was accompanied by a couple of others, one a portrait painted by Brian and Brian sent this pic too, Sir John along with John and Chris Barber.

The occasion was Brian's last visit to the UK, he writes that they had not met in 30 years, "You need to know about 1960s racing (and Jazz) to understand the significance."

"Here we are in a pub outside London (Potters Bar) with Warren King, a long term Lotus employee."



I'm sure ERC would appreciate that one now he's mentioned Chris Barber in this thread.

And the 'Leadfoots' gathering was about the time of the 2006 Tasman Revival meeting.

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Yes Ray. Always happy to get hold of Chris Barber pics.

A few more - most aren't mine of course. Note the dress code back then...



With then wife Ottilie Patterson