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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    The Ellerslie dates may or may not be correct...


    Five years on and Garrat's Riley is there again...
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    ERC, Mark Donaldson's BN2 Healey 100 a 1956 model i note the left wing mirror is missing, just the post .. and in the previous sets the Riley LH1936, that turned up at an AHCCNZ Hillclimb in the mid 1980's complete with some advertising .. took a couple of photos on my Healey thread

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    As mentioned earlier, buses and commercials from the recent trip.

    The London bus museum is located at Brooklands
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    Goodwood's Wembly parade
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    Coventry Transport museum with a locally built Daimler. Daimler were very prolific bus builders in the UK and I'm not sure whether they came under the BL wing along with the cars. Of all the vehicles I have driven, I'd still love to have ago in a separate cab double decker to fulfil an ambition! I've driven most things, from trucks to motorbikes, Aston Martin to Formula Ford, vintage MG to Reliant 3 wheeler, Marcos LM500 racer to a NZ train (honest!), but never a double decker bus.
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    I think this group is from 1985 but I haven't confirmed the exact dates, so any confirmation would be appreciated. As these haven't been dated, the file name is only temporary, so my normal labelling rules can't apply.


    This could even be as late as 1989 given the Lyle & Scott branding. Rob Walters Lotus 23. I presume this is a genuine Lotus 23? Note the earth banking as track construction is one of the guides for dating.
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    Probably Tony Roberts, on the no longer used club track extension.
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    I doubt anyone needs this captioning.
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    ...or this
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    Cooper Bristol of course and again, no fixed date.
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    More from the undated folder


    Is this a Ralph Watson car? Not sure at all, but others will know.
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    Probably one of the first events I organised in NZ, along with MGCC President Derek Prior (on the radio) was a series of sprint meetings at Pukekohe. I had been less than impressed with MGCC hill-climb meetings, where hours were wasted, running cables for electronic timing and/or telephones. Unlike a serious championship where timing to 1000th of a second might be crucial, club events weren't as critical, nor was there a real need for a telephone system.

    I worked out that we could run two sprints at a time at Pukekohe using about a quarter of the track and using a 3-2-1 countdown over radio, and stop watches at the finish, setting cars off at about 10 or 15 second intervals, then after the finish line, they'd slow down and join the queue for the next one, before queuing up again for part 1. After a short lunch-break, we ran the cars in the opposite direction, giving us 4 circuits. A laptop and a printer meant results issued immediately afterwards. I think we had 600 runs through by 3pm.

    When AHCC handed over Otaua hillclimb to MGCC, I ran the same system there. Radios and results issued immediately. Remember that in those days, results for hill-climbs were usually printed the week after.

    This is Harley Norager in his MG BV8 and the first to break the ERC Speedbar at Manfeild and Pukekohe! The car is now owned and raced by Dave Mallin. We started the sprint part 1 from pit lane, so the exit was the current pit lane entry and the sprint finished some way after the hairpin. The second sprint started before railway and used the old, short link to the club circuit and back to the main track, finishing before what is normally pit exit.
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    Morgan and Triumph V8 regulars with young Bill Hewson (Alfa) far left.
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    Yes...... Ralph Watson BSA Front Drive Special

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    Thanks chaindrive.

    The first pic here is from an excellent website covering race programme covers. It does help a lot and although I have managed one or two programmes from this era, having the actual Pukekohe programmes would be fantastic. If anyone is having a clearout and dumping theirs, I'd be happy to acquire them! Pukekohe only from January 1983 to about April 1991 and Whenuapai 1984.

    The programme website does not have a full set (see the pic to see the gaps) and relies totally on contributions from interested supporters.


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    These are obviously from the same meeting as the Cooper Bristol posted earlier. Judging by the cars parked in the background, quite possibly, a higher profile meeting.
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    Someone will be able to identify this car for me! BCM maybe - based on pics taken much later at Hampton Downs? Seems it had a tragic history as the following extract from the interweb shows.

    "But for the tragic death of Nelson motor racing driver, Brian Mabey, the two-day programme of the Nelson Car Club on the Tahuna circuit, would have been an unqualified success. Mabey lost his life when his B. C. M. Special overturned during the fifth lap of the 12-lap provincial championship on the first day."
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    Note the pink paddock pass on the belt of the guy leaning in, on the last pic. Sadly, even at 400%, I can't read it well enough.
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    Looks like this is the Historic Race at the 1985 Nissan Sport Meeting. Car No 15 does match with the programme but Chris Read owns the BCM so he must have run that instead of the Lotus 20.

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    Milan, you are a real star. Thanks very much for that. Confirms what I expected. Looking at the bottom of that list, the only person I don't know from that section is Graham Kyle. Several other well known names in that list, but also cars I can't remember seeing, specifically numbers 25 and 26.

    Alas, film and associated processing costs often limited what could be snapped, so my memory could be playing up too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    I think this group is from 1985 but I haven't confirmed the exact dates, so any confirmation would be appreciated. As these haven't been dated, the file name is only temporary, so my normal labelling rules can't apply.


    This could even be as late as 1989 given the Lyle & Scott branding. Rob Walters Lotus 23. I presume this is a genuine Lotus 23? Note the earth banking as track construction is one of the guides for dating.
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    Probably Tony Roberts, on the no longer used club track extension.
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    I doubt anyone needs this captioning.
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    ...or this
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    Cooper Bristol of course and again, no fixed date.
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    The Group A cars and the Cooper Bristol are from 1985.

    The Lotus 23B is from 1987.

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    Thanks again. The D type and Talbot Lago locks the dates pretty well for several photographs and I'm sure Roddy McPherson's car was not a sports car!

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    Another mix... Apologies if any have been shown before.


    At the 1977 British Grand Prix, Barry Sheene interviewing Niki Lauda with British boxer 'Enery Cooper looking on. I hadn't intended going to this race, but a buddy rang me a day or so before pleading with me to take a young lady employee or work mate of his, to the event. The attraction was that the young lady's uncle was something to do with the advertising hoardings at the track and we had admission not just to the race, but to a hospitality suite, on the edge of pit lane.
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    Regular sprinter David Render was a good buddy of Colin Chapman's, hence the loan of this F1 Lotus - for a 900 yard sprint...
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    No doubt Roger will know the exact date of this Le Mans race especially as it looks like Frank Karl. I believe it was 1984, but I could be wrong. The exact date would be useful.
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    Another page of programmes from the website.
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    Paul Leuch with the Lister Jaguar 1987.
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    Needs no caption, but for Terry's benefit, Martin Morris in the D type!
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    VCC member Kevin Andrew and fellow NSCC flaggie at the time, managed to sell me this Singer Bantam 'project' back in 1988 but it wasn't long before I realised I didn't have the expertise to make any progress. I managed to sell it some time later (at a small profit I might add) and it was shipped off to Waiheke. I have no idea what happened to it. There is a Bantam in the Classic museum at Hamilton. but I have no idea whether or not it is the same one.
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    As mentioned earlier, the Singer in the Coventry museum isn't the coupe version. This is. Quite a shock to see this in Fremantle - even more so when I found that it belonged to the guy I was looking up, as he had a Marcos Volvo like mine! He had an amazing collection of about 14 cars including MG's, an Alfa, a couple of Fiat Multiplas and a very nice Riley Kestrel.
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    I caught up with Rob again only last year and the Singer was for sale at $40,000AUD.
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    Earlier, I mentioned the picture quality from the earliest digital camera available to the public, a Casio. Very expensive (as all new technology is) and it put me off using digital for years. The novelty of digital was fine, but I wish now I hadn't spent $2,500 on a Pentax SLR camera and lenses... The 1996 Goodwood Festival of Speed and I think I was juggling one camera with slides, one with film and the digital...
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    Haynes Motor Museum, taken in 2014. Well worth a visit if you are heading to Cornwall from the London area. I posted a load of pics from there in 2014 and this to me is just is just a group of American cars...
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    1989 - I think
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    Denny Hulme and David Lange. Flagging at the Pukekohe hairpin when Lange was driving, I remember all the flaggies, regardless of their political leanings, giving him a huge standing ovation on his slowing down lap.
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    Flagging wasn't confined to Pukekohe... A bit of stage marshalling wasn't unusual. I'm not sure of the date again, but it was probably Riverhead.
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    I have no idea when or where or why, but I think a Hans Compter Jowett, that may have raced at the Whangarei street race January 2000. This may have been some sort of motor show in the Auckland region, possibly Henderson way, but before January 2000.
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    A track day at Donington July 2002. A Lagonda (what a great name for a car!) I always popped down to the track after a museum visit and occasionally, it really was worthwhile.
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    The Jowett is Hans Compter's car Ray. I am very lucky to have been for a ride in it circa 1986 with his old friend Vern Fairbrother.
    I think this was one of the cars that raced at Le Mans. Cheers, Bruce

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    The Jowett Jupiter competed at LeMans in 1950 and 51. Won its class both years.....16th overall 1950 and 22nd overall in 51. It never competed in the body shape of the Compter car.

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    From the Interweb:

    Stabilimenti Farina built four FHC Jupiters, and they all survive. Three are in excellent order, the fourth is under restoration

    The maroon example was Marcel Becquart's Monte Carlo Rally entrant of 1952 and 1953.
    His Class 2nd overall 5th in the1952 event is Jowetts best placing in this rally.

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    Ray, in post 1151, the 3rd picture, E Type Jaguar #33, is that the guy from Whangerai who went in Targa NZ and had some monumental "offs" a few years in a row? Malcolm someone? Had a female co-driver from memory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    Another mix... Apologies if any have been shown before.



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    Another page of programmes from the website.

    Whose is the blue E Type?

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    Whose is the blue E Type?
    Malcolm Flynn. He was always pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERC View Post
    This is Harley Norager in his MG BV8 and the first to break the ERC Speedbar at Manfeild and Pukekohe! The car is now owned and raced by Dave Mallin. We started the sprint part 1 from pit lane, so the exit was the current pit lane entry and the sprint finished some way after the hairpin. The second sprint started before railway and used the old, short link to the club circuit and back to the main track, finishing before what is normally pit exit.
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    Looks like Mr Mallin in the passengers' seat?, getting an early feel for the car?

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