Found these pictures floating around the Computor, what a great look'n car!! Bruces baby, so how about some history Bruce?
Pretty sure both these pics are from Baypark?
:)Dale Mathers:cool:
TGA, NZ
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Found these pictures floating around the Computor, what a great look'n car!! Bruces baby, so how about some history Bruce?
Pretty sure both these pics are from Baypark?
:)Dale Mathers:cool:
TGA, NZ
Hi Dale,
I will give you guys a run down on how we got her fixed up and looking good for the Amon at Hampton Downs. The pics are currently on a different HDD.
Stay tuned.
Bruce.
Hi Bruce,
I am looking forward to some more info on the car. I met you at the Amon Festival having supplied a coloured photo of the car at Pukekohe many moon ago.
Cheers Mike
Hello Mike,
Indeed it was great to finally meet you at Hampton Downs, sorry we could stay longer.
It was your photo that helped me decide which of the many liveries I would restore the car to.
To background the cars, I guess we have to start at the very beginning.
Terry Godsall was the money part of the Titus Godsall T/A team. He and his family had a number of business in Canada ranging from heavy truck sales, transport equipment manufacturing, automobile dealerships etc. He had John DeLorean's ear amongst others at GM.
The first move was the '68 Firebird that Craig Fisher ran in '68 under the guise of Gagnon Spring inc.
Later in the season Jerry Titus converted a Camaro owned by John Ward, a well built and quick privateer car, into the second T/G Team car. This car, took Jerry Titus and Jon Ward to 4th place at Daytona in '69 right behind 2 factory Porsche 908L racers.
For the full '69 season Titus/Godsall built team cars, and customer cars. These were made from engineering mules, those used for testing of various componants and were never destined for sale to the public.
The cars were stripped, seam welded, then acid dipped, before the chrome moly cages were Tig welded in.
That will do for now. Much more to follow.
Bruce.
http://i56.tinypic.com/pm9kw.jpg
Hey Bruce, will you be starting a new thread on the rebuild?
For those who are interested, here is the second of the '68 Godsall Firebirds Bruce mentioned as it is today. http://historictransam.com/Drivers/BillBryan.htm
Do you know what became of the Fisher car Bruce?
Second thoughts, How about we fly with this thread, It haas the right name already.
The last sighting of the Fisher '68 Firebird was June '70, and it had been converted to a Camaro, and was being offered for sale by Bob Gagnon. We are still looking but there was a sea of used race Camaros around back then. Craig Fisher hasn't been able to shed any light on it's fate.
Bruce.
Isn't that a picture of beauty!! attracted lots of interest at Hampton did'nt it!! Job well done Bruce, we just need to here it "ROAR"
Dale Mathers
Hi Bruce, not sure if you got this shot.
This was taken at Pauanui in '76-'77 of the Ponty shorty after my late brother Alan Stacey had brought the car off John Scott , Alan dropped in a SBC and registered for the road, only had headlights on the right hand side , lol , and he told me he had just graded the roads all over Coromandel as the thing was so low in the front!
Not sure if it ever had a wof? , cops couldn't catch it anyway . Yeehaa.
Wow, thats one of the coolest photos I've seen Craig! I'm always fascinated by the afterlife of old race cars, and the journey they take after they're either uncompetitive, or retired. Its amazing to see what was once a state of the art factory race car reverted to a tough old road car. Very cool. Thanks for posting.
Hi Craig,
Thanks for the pic, that is awesome. Alan showed me that one, and an engine shot that he had, though it was lo grade, but engine shots are always welcome.
As Steve says, a relatively young car at this time. I am real glad that none of us did anything to change the car in any way.
Bob Cox bought the car from Alan and planned to put a Hilborn Injected 427 and TH400. It already had the Aussie 9" diff, but that was it. (we found the original rear axle thanks to Dave Loose)
Bob didn't get any further, and I turned down the first chance to buy it . (I bought the Hilborn injection for my big-block T bucket)
The second offer a couple of months later I relented and dragged it home on a trailer and pick up.
When I got it the plan was just to make a street car out of it too, (and it did get a big block and TH400) then I found signs that it had some future potential in being restored.
Thanks again for the pic Craig, much appreciated.
Bruce.
Oh and I still have the license plate in the garage. You can just see it under the front grill RHS.
Bruce.
All good Bruce , awesome, haven't seen any engine bay shots, sorry.
Great pics Pallmall, Thank you.
To carry on the story of the resurrection, I will skip the Trans Am year of competition as that is a book in itself.
At the end of the season though,the Titus/Godsall (T/G) team were looking ahead to the coming '70 season and building the new updated cars.
Due to a strike at GM, the introduction and release of the new body style for '70 was delayed to the point where they are now referred to as the 70 1/2 model.
One of the key people on the team, was Doug Innes. He was initially employed to look after Terry Godsall's classic cars, but he was asked to join the race team and became crew chief. Another key member, was fabricator Sherman Falconer, brother of Ryan Falconer best known as the man behind Ryan Falconer race Engines.
Doug Innes was asked to go with the team transporter and pick up the first two '70 Firebirds and take them to T/G's shop in Tarzana CA.
He wasn't allowed to stop anywhere and show anybody, and he was scheduled to arrive in the evening. It was all top secret as the cars had not been seen or even pictured in public.
Anyway on his arrival at the T/G shop, Jerry Titus had invited the news and magazine media, and this arrival was to be one of the unveilings of the new Firebirds.
But back on track. At the end of the 69 season ,T/G had two cars left, and two transporter which were Greyhound buses converted to be mobile Post Offices.
They were gutted and would take two cars loaded through the back.
The two cars that were last to sell were given the '69 Pontiac Trans Am sheetmetal and 303 ci Pontiac engines, though it is doubtful that they were ever homologated in that form. Craig Fisher ran one under Todco Racing for part of the '70 season but had numerous DNF's. He went back to the Todco '69 Camaro.
I have homologation papers for the '69 cars with 302 Chevrolet engines and '68 Firebird grill surrounds.
The 303 engine was not a well developed unit and suffered numerous failures. It was unlikely the cars would sell in that configuration.
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Paul Fahey went and had a look at the Firebirds, but decided to stay with Ford and bought the car that would ultimately become the PDL Mustang.
Jim Palmer's father, George, also looked at buying one of the cars for Jim, though with the intention of ditching the 303 and dropping in a small block Chev.
It was some time before Ron Grable was invited back to NZ for a couple of weeks all expenses paid racing here. Being a professional racer, and it being the off season in the States he jumped at the chance. He also loved the place from his earlier visits here.
Ron was asked to go and buy this particular car and all the money was paid up front from NZ. Ron dealt with Jerry Titus's son Rick as Jerry had died from injuries after crashing his '70 Firebird race car at Road America, Elkhart Lake in Wisconson.
This is the car in the T/G shop. The frame engine mounts are Pontiac items, so it had a 303 that was removed before this pic was taken.
http://i54.tinypic.com/11icqkj.jpg
The car was shipped to NZ and arrived in Auckland 2 weeks before Christmas 1971. Ross Phillips picked up the car and took it to Tauranga where it was prepared for the New Years eve meeting at Bay Park.
Dennis Marwood supplied the engine, which incidentally was the Everett Hatch built 302 from the Rorison (ex Joe Chamberlain Camaro, unchanged apart from the 4 Weber set up.
This is Ron Grable at Bay Park Dec 31st 1971. He was recovering from two broken legs after crashing his F5000 ride earlier in the year.
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more to follow
Bruce, this is going to be fantastic!
Here is a little associated story.
During the days of special performance cars, and the chicanery of certain race teams, it was thought by some, that even the humble Ford Mustang Boss 302 was a car available only to selected race teams.
Terry Godsall was one of those skeptics. So much so that he went to his local Ford dealer and ordered not just one brand new Boss 302, but THREE of them. Thinking to himself that he had called their bluff he went back to backing his Pontiac Trans Am team.
Until he got the call from the Ford dealer.
"Your THREE new Boss 302's are here, how would you like to pay for them ?"
Well he talked his way out of one of them, but ended up taking delivery of two.
At least one was given to the team guys to use as a company car/workshop hack until they managed to unload them onto a couple of unsuspecting, silver haired grannies (incidentally both the grannies complained of the lack of power)
Here is Doug, the crew chief with one of their company cars.
Funny, he doesn't look very happy !
http://i56.tinypic.com/2ze9ftv.jpg
Bruce.
GREAT story Bruce!
Here is Doug, the crew chief with one of their company cars.
Funny, he doesn't look very happy !
I'd look unhappy if i had to jump from a Boss 302 into a Pontiac!! LOL, could be worst, could be a Javelin, LOL!! anyone know what Pontiac stands for!! arr better not go their!! LOL.
Bruce, great story with lots of great info!!! are you still intouch with Ron Grable? when was he last in NZ? now he would be a a guy to get down for Hulme in 2013 don't you think? ask him please?
Dale Mathers
I saw that Dale, Nothing wrong with a Kelvinator,rite, keeps the beers cold! HONEST , lol
Bruce, great story with lots of great info!!! are you still intouch with Ron Grable? when was he last in NZ? now he would be a a guy to get down for Hulme in 2013 don't you think? ask him please?
Dale Mathers
I've been asking Ron to come back down to see the racing and just have a good time. Unfortunately since his very serious motorcycle accident he isn't up to it.
I talk to Ron almost daily. His old Lola T190 has just been restored, and it is very nice. He has been invited to drive it but again, he is not able to.
This was the ex Mark Donohue-Roger Penske Sunonco entry before Ron had it.
And just to keep this post slightly on track, Ron told me once that when he was driving for Ronnie Kaplan's T/A Javelin Team, he was sitting on the grid, and the drivers door fell off They had acid dipped the shell just a little bit too much.
They weren't allowed to race that day.
http://i54.tinypic.com/35me3jm.jpg
And just to keep this post slightly on track, Ron told me once that when he was driving for Ronnie Kaplan's T/A Javelin Team, he was sitting on the grid, and the drivers door fell off They had acid dipped the shell just a little bit too much.
They weren't allowed to race that day.
ACID drip and the doors fell off, you know, that Stacey acid dipped his Javee "Tyres" for Manfeild, they almost made his car fall off(the track)LOL, the officals weren't gonna let him race again as well, but i sorted that out seen im one of the "good guys" LOL, LOL!!(Oh man, this is just too much, im going to bed) LOL, LOL
On a more serious note Bruce, i fly up to San Fransisco on Thursday for the Somona Historics, would Ron Grable likely be there? where does he live? When you say talk to him, you mean you E-Mail him most days, do you?
Dale Mathers
Go get on the plane, Guru.
Dale,
Ron lives in the Arizona high country. He is not able to travel much, I very much doubt he will be at Sonoma, much as he would like to be.
And yes we talk via email.
Now, do as you're told and get on the frickin plane
http://i53.tinypic.com/nlymiw.jpg Here is my original photo showing the car alongside Fahey's Mustang
Hi Thunder427/MJ. I agree regarding the Minilites - I have never seen a car with them on where it didn't improve the cars looks.
Yes, agree!!! yet only a few wheel manufactures have ever tried to repo them, and when the did they get the spoke style wrong!! not many pictures of the PDL1 Mustang in the orange colour around!! great shot.
Dale Mathers
Great pic, Thanks Mike.
This must have been taken before the actual race, the 'Bank Wales' sticker isn't on the rear fender yet, nor the 'Shell' stickers on the hood and front fenders.
The car now has new Minilites, alu of course. The magnesium items would be all crispy.
Someone told me that Jandals has the originals underhis house, but he reckons they went with the SL/R 5000 that Rod took to Bathurst. ( finished 3rd place with Jim Richards)
http://i51.tinypic.com/24vl4bk.jpg
A photo of the Grable Firebird taken at Pukekohe
Notice that the car now had headlights (crudely added) at Bay Park they were blanked off with American Airline decals.
The forward hood scoops have been also opened up as they should be.
This steel hood was left behind Jim Richards' fathers garage in Maurewa when the fiberglass one was made.
Factory '69 Trans Am hoods were selling in the States for up to US $ 12,000 before the steel repros were introduced recently.
Your Pic Mike ?
Well I think there is another set of body panels and wing so it can be presented as the Penske car. That is the beauty of this sort of car.
It is so easily changed.
The indisputable fact is that the past drivers dictate the value of an old race car.
Nice restoration Here is a clip of some of the restoration : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FLy04Fw2EE
Yep, thats very true, which is why its quite refreshing to see it not in Penske blue. But I'm sure you're right about the extra body panels. Very nice resto for sure.
:p:)I'll take you where Kiwiboss wouldn't take you !!!!!!
What does P.O.N.T.I.A.C.........stand for????
P......Poor
O.....Old
N.....Native
T......Thinks
I.......Its
A......A
C......Caddilac...there you go Dale,thats quite tidy,regards thunder427?MJ:):p
Here's another one!!!
What does I.V.E.C.O stand for???????
I.........Inter/island
V........Vehicle
E.........Every
C.........Countryboy
O.........Overtakes.................its late!!......regards thunder427/MJ:):p
Didn't Robin Tanner race this car a couple of times after Rod Coppins.
Yes he sure did, it was painted red and carried # 25, that's Robin in the first post, second pic.
I believe he lives up north (Kaitaia ?) these days.
Bruce.
Yes I also heard he is there, I may do some looking up next time i am there. He also ran a MK2 Z car in the days of old and I wonder if he may have featured in one of the other threads,