So that would be coming off the causeway Terry?
Sure is, the back of the pits...
Polo looms ahead of them, the fence there separates the traffic coming across the Northern Crossing from those heading into Polo, way in the distance is the Shell Bridge right in the middle of the esses.
His memory isn't so amazing, Frank had three daughters (not two)...Quote:
Originally posted by khyndart in CA
Grant,
You do have a good memory. If you look at posting # 106 you will see Mrs Matich at the back of the Fairlane along with her
young daughter..
The youngest is the one sitting in the boot near Joan, that's Lee, probably about nine at that time. The others were Kim and Katrina. And the mechanics with the car and later pushing it are Peter Mabey and the late Graeme (Lugsy) Adams.
Any chance of knowing the car with No 10 on it in the pit late just behind Frank might be?
I went to the "Farm" for the first time in May 1970.
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I expected Frank Matich to run away with the sports car race but when the practice sessions started this beautiful machine came racing around.
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K Hyndman photo )
The Neil Allen Elfin ME 5 Chevrolet was the star of the day and won the main race.
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( Oldrace photos from Imgrum.org. )
I found this interesting article regarding this Elfin ME 5.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ar.../84/whizeer-oz
(Ken Hyndman )
Terry,
Ray was referring to this photo I took and I may have cropped too much out.
(Looks like stiff competition for the M10B !)
Sept. 13. 1970. Amaroo Park. NSW.
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(Ken Hyndman photo )
If I get through the day okay I'll post a photo of the compliance plate the McMillen/Marwood Eisert later wore in Nebraska...
And now as I look more closely that's a '30' on that car. I wonder if it's the Graham Wood Cooper-Climax?
By the way, that's a great photo of Niel Allen in the ME5, and it looks like its his old Lotus 23B behind him.
Defi0nitely #30. The Eisert in Dennis Marwoods hands:
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What eventually happened to the Eisert?
I found this entry in "oldracingcars.com."
Eisert;
" The 1965 car remained in New Zealand until 1970 and was then shipped back to the US where it was sold, possibly via Pierre Phillips, to Bill Tempero (Ft Collins, CO) and fitted with wedge-style bodywork. He raced it in F5000 in 1971 and 1972 after which it was converted for street use by brothers Wayne and Steve Huntley in Nebraska. It was also used as a show car by Fred Bosselman in the late 1970s or early 1980s, probably at his Bosselman Truck Plaza in Grand Island, Nebraska. In the early 1990s it was acquired by Bill Wiswedel (Holland, MI) who has restored it to 1965 colours but still with the later, squarer bodywork. Still with Wiswedel in September 2014.
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Bay Park. Oct. 1969.
(Ken Hyndman photo )
Here's the Eisert in its present abode... at Holland in Michigan...
http://s26.postimg.org/g4j4knfi1/051...ich_Eisert.jpg
There've been some changes since its early days. The car has always worn a Chev V8, both in F5000 and in Indy form.
Owner Bill Wiswedel is something of a collector and has a wide range of cars, hot rods to ex-Foyt Indy cars. Here he is with Jerry Entin and the Eisert, which by 2016 was undergoing a bit of resto work:
http://s26.postimg.org/e52it8l6h/051...rt_Wis_Ent.jpg
And the strangest part of the Eisert's life? The two brothers in Nebraska owned it and put it on the road!
http://s26.postimg.org/fvljuq2pl/051...eon_Eisert.jpg
That Motor Sport story could do with a lot of cleaning up...
Niel Allen's name is constantly mispelled, the car never won the Hordern Trophy (which was for Racing Cars) but the RAC Trophy. It was never intended to do Can-Am and Can-Am rules are very different to those applying in Australia.
For the record, from memory, Niel was about 5' 6". Age has cut him down further as he declines into dementia, so unfortunate. A really nice guy who gave so much to Australian racing. Even when he bowed out, as the fluctuations of his business forced him to do a couple of times, he made sure he sold his cars off at a price which would help others get a good start with them.
Ray,
I remember when I first worked at Trojan Works in October 1972 that there was an inverted McLaren M10B tub under covers in the workshop and one person said that was an ex Niel Allen tub that had been returned for repairs. Another said no it was one that Warwick Brown had used for the 1972 Tasman and 1972 Australian races. The sign written name had been removed but the unique # 10 style and BP sticker helped me while searching that it was the car driven by Warwick Brown but it had originally started as a spare tub for Niel Allen so I guess the Trojan people were both correct. Race car history did not mean much to me back then and I forgot about until I started out on TRS a few years ago.
I certainly appreciate all of you who put the facts straight as the memory does get a bit faded over the years.
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Inside Trojan workshop. October 1972. Note inverted M10B tub with # 10 and BP sticker.
(Ken Hyndman photo ) p.s. In the background is where every non factory McLaren tub was produced 1965 until late 1972. Formula Two, Formula 5000 and Can Am.
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The same car as driven by Warwick Brown in 1972 Tasman Series.
This M10B had quite a complex history as per this Oldracingcars.com summary. (I did get to touch the dark blue sides in 1972 !)
McLaren*M10B
400-19
"
Spare chassis supplied to Neil Allen. According to Trojan records, it was numbered 400-19 and delivered 28 Jul 1970. The car does not appear to have had a chassis plate and is believed to have shared the number '400-02'. Built up as complete car by Allen and Peter Malloy and, after Allen's retirement, advertised 31 Mar to 7 May 1971 - Allan Hamilton: Australian Gold Star 1971 - Pat Burke Racing for Warwick Brown Tasman 1972. Also March, April, May, Aug, Oct, Nov, Dec 1972 (Brown gets T300 Jan 1973); Trojan Racing for Bob Muir Tasman 1973; Team Target for Warwick Brown (Aus) Gold Star from Oct 1973. Suspension and other parts used for Bryan Thomson 's VW Sports Sedan which debuted at Calder in January 1974. The M10B tub was later rebuilt into a complete car and went via Peter Bick, Paul Trevethan and George Parlby to Llynden Riethmuller.
Note that the Formula 1 Register books record 400-19 as being the replacement M10B used by Keith Holland 1971-72 (from R3 Brands onwards, replacing car crashed at R1 Mallory). See 400-06(B) above.
After Riethmuller's death in July 2009, both this car and 400-02 were acquired from Riethmuller's family by Alan Hamilton in May 2011. However, one of the cars, presumably 400-19, was described as "an unpainted tub with enough bits to complete the car less a transmission".
When Alan Hamilton's two M10Bs were restored, one was dark green with an orange nose and the other was red with a green nose. Alfredo Costanzo raced the green M10B 400-19 at the Phillip Island Classic in March 2013, at Historic Sandown in November 2013, at the Phillip Island Classic in March 2015, and at Phillip Island Classic in March 2016. By 2016, it was owned by Giuseppe 'Joe' Ricciardo.
Driven by: Alan Hamilton, Warwick Brown and Bob Muir. First race: Lakeside (AGS R1), 6*Jun*1971. Total of 19 recorded races. "
(Ken Hyndman)
And it looked fantastic coming out of Paddock Bend at the Farm onto the Pit Straight, tail out slightly, nose up, Warwick enjoying himself at the end of a test session overseen by Peter Molloy...
Ray,
Would not the car be coming out of Leger Corner onto the Pit Straight or do I have the wrong direction ?
My view of turn one in May 1970.
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(KH photo. )
Some photos of the McLaren M 10 B (400-19 ) in action.
In 1971 with Alan Hamilton driving. (Looks like a fun car to drive.)
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Primotipo.com quote;
Alan Hamilton cornering his McLaren 911 style at Warwick Farm 1971, date unknown. Car is chassis ‘400-19’, Niel Allen’s spare built up by Peter Molloy and sold, together with his race chassis ‘400-02’ to Alan Hamilton and Keven Bartlett respectively. Full monocoque aluminium chassis, 500bhp fuel injected 5 litre Chev engine, Hewland DG300 gearbox…much more powerful than a Porsche 906! (unattributed)
1972 at Surfers being driven by Warwick Brown as described by Ray with the nose up.
This is the chassis tub that was at Trojan. Oct. 1972. (Not sure whether it was damaged or being updated for the 1973 season.)
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(Ken H)
Terry S- talking of racing, i liked your recent comment on ten tenths-
Kiwi Domination in VASC- Supercars.
"Of the 9 championship races to date in 2017, Kiwis have won 8, and Aussies only 1."
He must have filed that after the Saturday of the Winton round, it's actually 9/10 : SVG 4, Scotty Mac 3, FabCo 2.
And Mostert won on the Sunday at the Island for the sole Aussie win. Been a great series so far, and not just for the skewed results.
NO not correct
Race 3 the Saturday race at Symmons was abandoned after the crash and not counted.
So although Sundays Winton race was Round 10, it was actually only the 9th race of year.
Don't worry Greg Rust on Inside Supercars also fell into that trap. Apologies accepted
That is one cool photo...Quote:
Originally posted by khyndart in CA
Some photos of the McLaren M 10 B (400-19 ) in action.
In 1971 with Alan Hamilton driving. (Looks like a fun car to drive.)
http://s26.postimg.org/45coagg8p/051...sewayslide.jpg
Primotipo.com quote;
Alan Hamilton cornering his McLaren 911 style at Warwick Farm 1971, date unknown. Car is chassis ‘400-19’, Niel Allen’s spare built up by Peter Molloy and sold, together with his race chassis ‘400-02’ to Alan Hamilton and Keven Bartlett respectively. Full monocoque aluminium chassis, 500bhp fuel injected 5 litre Chev engine, Hewland DG300 gearbox…much more powerful than a Porsche 906! (unattributed)(Ken H)
I don't know if Hamilton got out of this or spun, but if he overcame the rear wheels being out in the marbles like that it must have been his vast experience with Porsches that got him there!
The date was 20th November, 1971. It was the only meeting he ran that car at the Farm, the AGP meeting. There's too many people in the background for it to be Friday's untimed practice and it's not during the race. It's not mentioned in the RCN report at all, so it is possible he caught it.
The other suggestion is that he was warming his tyres for the session (Saturday afternoon) in which he got the fastest lap he ever did of the circuit - 1:26.3. Good for sixth on the grid, he finished the race in third.
My memory's not fading me at all, Terry. And I already corrected myself about the number 30.Quote:
Originally posted by Terry S
.....Alas poor Ray's memory must be fading him; and he is our resident expert on the Farm.....
This is the way it works...
Peter Molloy, spent a fair bit of time with his drivers at the Warwick Farm Short circuit. With both Niel Allen and Warwick Brown with the M10Bs.
Peter felt that, after driving round there all those laps, they had a problem. "It's all right handers," he says, and it was except for the corner off the Causeway. So at the end of the day (as I mentioned in the post I made) he sent them around for a few laps in the opposite direction, "to get some left handers and settle their brains a bit."
"It was different," he continued, "because the corners tended to tighten in the other direction, so they'd have to brake early and then get the power on early."
So that's what I saw one day when I called in and saw them there. Warwick, as I said, was coming out of Paddock with the power hard on, and with the waterpipes erected like a fence for watering the horse track just a foot or two off to the right of the circuit.
The view Ken posted looking back towards the grandstands is just about what Niel and Warwick would have been seeing as they prepared for their exit. Minus the cars and people on the left, of course, and minus the brake markers and flaggies, but with a waterpipe fence close to the edge on the right of the exit. His photo is taken while crossing the track to enter the pit area - on foot or in a car, Ken? - and you can see various tracks on the circuit where cars have driven on and off on their way in or out.
Anyway, I posted what I did because I reckon that was the most exciting scene I ever saw with Warwick in that car.
Ray,
That excellent description certainly took care of any questions I had.
I was walking across the track at the first turn and took the photo as I was thinking of all the famous drivers
who had driven through that corner.
(Ken H)
Accepting that I meant what I said would have too...
And it's true, Ken, that being on that hallowed bit of bitumen gave you a special feeling.
May 1970.
Ok gentlemen, what part of Warwick Farm is this scene ?
Is it the straight that went to Leger Corner ?
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Also is this Pete Geoghegan in this photo at Warwick Farm with the tie on as Leo is sorting out gear ratios on his Lotus ?
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(Ken Hyndman photos )
The circuit pic hasn't come up...
But I will say that I pondered over whether that was Pete or not when you posted it earlier. It looks like him, but I wouldn't be sure. And not to pick, but would Leo be sorting gear ratios with the nose of the car in the air?
Ray, that is a fair remark regarding Leo. I somehow remember a container of gear ratios on the ground but it certainly is the front in the air and with the wheels on perhaps they are checking the suspension ?
Hey I am open to any inputs.
I hope the Farm photo comes through this time.
(Ken)
That pic is taken behind the spectator mound in the esses...
The crowd is leaning on the horse rail more or less parallel to the straight that comes from the esses to the Northern Crossing.
I'll see if I can conjure up a map showing that.
When I see that I am repeating my photos, that I am using the scanner at work too much, I do not have a project or vehicle to write about plus I am not going to any historic events this year so I think it is time for me to step back and enjoy everyone's inputs and not clutter up TRS with my ramblings. Even though I may not get to ever meet but a few of you it has been a most enjoyable experience for me at this site. You are a good bunch and thanks for putting up with me and my "stuff" from the US.
Take care,
Ken
Keep it coming!
Yes Ken, PLEASE keep them coming
Don't be put off by Ray, we all have to suffer him.
Photos are great and your descriptions excellent
Much better than Ray Green and Nigel Watts who post interminable photos but no descriptions.
So please keep going
Terry
It's just never, ever over for you, is it ?
A stark reminder why I've had you on block for so long.
We enjoy having you and your input Ken. Keep up the good work.
Allan
I have to admit to being disappointed GD66 when I read this as I did not know I had this effect on you or was this possibly meant for a certain other person ?
Terry S, please do not ever compare my old photos to the brilliant work of Ray and Nigel as they put their necks on the line to take action shots that should be in publications and they share them freely (up to now !) with all of us on TRS.
Ray Bell is an honest bloke and as they say getting something by him would have as much chance as sneaking a sunrise past a rooster !
Who knows, after a good sleep and showing my boss what this site is all about, I might still be hanging about here,but only if the "nitpicking" stops. OK ?
( Ken H)
I first saw this Cooper T 62 when Bruce drove it at the first NZGP at Pukekohe in Jan. 1963.
The car has had a very unusual history which is covered in this primotipo.com thread in which Ray Bell has also contributed.
https://primotipo.com/2016/05/20/bru...er-t62-climax/
I saw the car at the Laguna Seca Historics in 2011 and did not realize the complete story until I read this today. Wow !
Imagine what this Tommy Atkins High Efficiency Motors ID plate has witnessed over the years !
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(Ken Hyndman photos )
Ha ! No mate, love your stuff and am envious of your full and varied life in motorsport, but that certain other person's constant sniping grinds my gears, so rather than indulge in tit-for-tat I have had him blocked for a long time and found my life improved dramatically : foolishly I peeked in only to find the high-handed and unrequired dispensation of judgment continues.
If you are feeling a tad jaded, just have a couple of days off and you'll be back with a vengeance. I don't post here much but I drop in for a perve each and every day, and am constantly appreciative of the value of the historic content that is shared by so many, and you're up the top end of the list, so please....post away, son !
Just don't like sniping.
Yes, a sad career that car had after Bruce's time with it...
Tommy Atkin's daughter, Ursula, used to contribute to the Nostalgia Forum as 'UAtkins', anyone interested should go through her posts there.
Ken, here's the answer to your photo above...
http://s12.postimg.org/sv5uxv2wd/061...edoverview.jpg
This is from a few months before Warwick Farm opened and was probably 'drawn' some time before that and isn't quite correct. For instance, the exit from Creek Corner is not shown as parallel to the straight, which it definitely was, while the second left-hander of the esses isn't as tight as it finished up being. Like I said, that next section ran more or less parallel to the horse track 'chute'.
I was hoping to find a UBD street directory from the sixties or seventies to get a map showing this but it seems that the oldest I have is 1989. If anyone has one, probably as late as 1975, it should show both the horse track and the circuit. It would be on map 88.
Subsequent to the closure of the circuit the AJC have extended that 'chute' right out to cross Hume Straight.
Here is a picture posted by 'Wirra' on the Nostalgia Forum, obviously from a more recent time:
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...psz3rxi33i.jpg
There is also a comment from David Shaw relating to it saying that this 'chute' extension gave the horse racers a couple of extra options for race lengths, which were apparently quite important to them.
I was at that May 1970 meeting and thought the ME5 was the prettiest and most beautiful race car I had ever seen.
And still believe it is amongst the all time best looking cars.
That metallic blue colour was wonderful, and Allen even co-ordinated the colour of his helmet.
As this photo shows it looked to me like a stealth fighter.
Then in the interests of progress it got bastardised. Such a SIN.
See this TNF tread post #13 to see comparison of before and after.
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/13...me5/?hl=+elfin +me5
Which would you prefer? I think it is pretty obvious.
In my opinion the current look is simply hideous
I know it is legal, as that TNF thread covers, but surely as an owner you would want it in its best and most appealing format.