Was #90 also known as 'Brutal'?
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Was #90 also known as 'Brutal'?
Deseaming a Mini removed 40 sq ins from the front. Chopping the roof by 4" removed even more and the Broadspeed GT's airflow was probably a further improvement over the Minisprint as the screen was raked back. We clocked Bernie Hines Broadspeed replica at 129mph on radar a few years ago, so the breadvan Anglias probably showed a similar percentage improvement over the standard shape.
Interesting that these days, we no longer have a platform for "interesting" cars, which means that those of us who lived through the 50s to the 80s saw some fascinating cars. Thankfully classic racing is alive and well.
MMMMmm interesting , I recall Ernie often searching for straight line speed advantage [fast back raked roof ..fast back ]on & off , all was recorded in a book , with wind side ways , behind , or head on these were tests at long beach south of Ashburton where we took advantage of the facilities provided in those days but had a go & wow factor that gave a good idea , & an average worked out , the difference with the fast back clipped on or off was insignificant .. I am sure the raked roof was the positive factor... as Gary & Ernie ended up most of the time with out clip on fast back . kind regards Grant
Grant- Uncle Jack told me that his Yellow Submarine was definitely good for 20mph more with the rear changes.
MMmmmmm , love these convos ..... well the car was good for about 128 mph give or take a couple with or with out fast back... now I don't want to blow my trumpet [ but who is uncle Jack ] or have you been talking to Allan .. D ??....lol
As time went on one my pre 65 Anglias recorded 137 mph with out raked roof & fast back , really cant see them much quicker [but sloweeeer] as we had better exist speed out of railway due to up dated suspension , tyre s & HP . What I am trying to explain to uncle Jack is this .............Ernie did 128mph with a slippery body we did 137 mph with out those wind [loving effects] at puke not a flying mile ?? my car , [cars]? so if we had a raked roof & fast back we would be doing 157 mph [don't think so ], My mustang was 250 k .... 150 mph [puke]..... hey not trying to knock Jack but ummmmmm , no not quite correct .... John looking forwards to yr reports re the Monaro ,, I might ph Gary to morrow & get some info.... Take care ... grant
Jack Nazer- only reporting what has been told to me. Obviously there was a marked improvement.
oh lol..... when did he report this ???????? Gary & him were great friends , Jack was to join Gary on the big OE to UK in 70,s , but Jack did not make the trip , better go , watching all blacks & my 3 legged possumn trying to climb up my chair & get my beer true .. story ................... hey is jack still around & where ..
Still lives in Herne Bay and in great health. I have worked on some of his vintage cars -DeLage, Chrysler Airflow etc and try to get info from the old days. Told me about when he got alloy wheels off a guy in Chch , they werent up to it and thats when the car was totaled at Levin. Told me stories of Grady when he raced the Monaro against him in the Cossack Escort, Mercury Series 1970. Great getting together with him. Also loves his dogs. Jack didnt go with Gary but built THE Victor-YAY!!! If you can get Gary back for HMC Jan next year, I will work on Jack to come along also.
John this convo is better than last half of all Blacks, the Possumn went out side , I will talk to Gaz re HMC , .......... I don't remember the the mercury series as Gary is about 6 yrs older than me ....... so hey day Gary 19 me 13 ,.....................at time of mercury time ...
This little one was doing same type of speed maybe fraction more Grant (it had 2ltr) at Puke had a trap reading one day 138 and no back on it. I did have to put alloy tags on the back window and drilled 3 holes along the bottom of it to stop it sucking out, specially around the sweeper at Puke. Remember in practice first time I ran it at Puke a big woosh sound and it was gone, so on went the tags and holes. Later had a very little alloy lip run along the back edge of roof and this seemed to deflect the air up instead of straight down into back area, certainly stopped the rear window vibrating as bad.
This came about after we stuck some little bits of knitting wool along the back edge and back of bonnet to see where the air was going, quick trip down northern motorway with boys running alongside in ute and observing wind flow and back to shop and play aerodynamic engineers.
Hard case really when you look back at some of the things we did.
Love the pics Rod, you almost look 2 big for the car , could have been the DB Bouble brown bombers lol , Rod looking at yr seat position I dropped my seat on the floor no legs on seat felt so much better through all turns I could just see over the steering wheel , even to day in pre 65 some haven't experimented with such , we had to take advantage of our ideas .....lol.... you had some good knowledge my friend considering the cars we had ....
John , just talked to Gaz in Perth , he has great memories of the mercury series & Grady , he mentioned that Grady was more of a mate of Ernies & lived in Wellington , was a panel beater , the deal was [in mercury series] go lite weight on panels & glass they transformed the cars from the other series over night . Gary told me a story about an E type Grady had [wont mention any more about that one lol ] but nothing serious but a hoot , as for uncle Jack , if you read one of Gary,s write ups from Allan , in classic driver Mag number 28 you will get the inside info on Jack [Nazer] re UK & [not sailing ]off to UK ,Gary mentioned that Jack was one of the last vistors to get off the ship while bidding fare well to Gary, on route to uk first stop Fiji... ps he wont make the HMS [jan] just got 2 much on that time of year as super visor up in mines ................ Grant
Grant- was that when an unnamed driver in this E type had a race up north to an unnamed town to get a certain race car with his unnamed partner in a racing GTHO? or is that another story
An other story , no biggy John , Gary told me the story this arvo .I am happy to share with you but not wanting to get stories out of control on the net as they do... u will laugh ...................... soooo old time stuff good humour no humour on the tumour
Put it on my Monaro thread if you want since its Grady.
Dale says it all about the cars being the stars.
Me, I like to hear that those behind the wheel were people just like you and I....whoops......
John how do I get the monaro thread......... or just go into yr private address msg ?........ yep its not just about the cars , I am so happy to reconnect with the nuts be hind the wheels I have not seen or heard of for a few years , although nice to see the old cars .
Grant- Team Cambridge Monaro thread- was (Newspaper Reporter)
Can you also add to that the origin of the famous Anglia was it mums shopping basket that was hijacked?) and how the Escort came into being?
Just been reading November 1971nMotorman and for sale is the
"ex Simpson, Radisich, Sprague , Kocis,-possibly NZs fastest Anglia 1731cc. 130+mph. $1700 Garry Lang, Wellington."
Wooow John you do some reading [research amazing] . I lost track of the car after Pete had it , & thats a few moons ago , when it was last raced by Gary it was 1650 , lotus block ............... I know Bob Dinco from Chch has one of my first pre 65 Anglias & he did amazing things to it with original 1500 block [now allowd 1600 ..thicker walls , stronger mains, more about] I know he retained the castings but went to 2000cc there abouts [bored out] , now this is a little wolf dressed in wolfs clothings , love to see that go at long beach , with right ratio , would make people sit up , plus Bob drives it super good same as Morrie Bone
Wrecked my back, cant move much so am reading .
In Feb 1971- Ashburton Car Club- Wayne Sprague won the Longbeach Rd sprint 141.5mph and 15.4 standing quarter -tall gearing in ( daddys?) GTHO .
Peter Kocis -Anglia- did 128.7mph before he blew it up.Also did 15.2 standing quarter in the big engined Anglia
Thanks John , that confirms re the top speed of anglia that is the testing ground they used so Pete would have also tryed the fast back & raced it with out . We used another private road out at the south side of Timaru for all our cars, the road ran east to west from a letter box to a gate for about 2 k's standing starts to flat out a stop watch used in the car by the driver & recorded in a book , plus the wind directions & temp of day ......... Yep Wayne did the 141.5 at long beach I remember it.
John hope your back gets better soon ....
Ok Thanks 45DCOE , i have a hankering to do one , I have been offered an old fresh angle box to start with , strange how time flys , I have the orchard work shop plenty of room & plenty of helpers , but getting the time in between my family time is the prob , when you sit down think about it , [been there done that] I guess I might think different when the girls head off to uni & free some time up [if they havent spent all our $$$] lol , by that time its could be me & Kylie time ?? .there is a pik here some where of an anglia called brutal [I think] is that it ???
Grant- there was an Anglia around in Francivics day called Powerful Percy- any clues about this one?
No , Sorry John I dont ...... Sounds like it could have been a N I car ???? John ,I use to hillclimb my scanz car against a guy called John Murphy in his F F amazing guy a farmer & fast to boot.... any way he told me he had an anglia in the old days he use to race at Puke it was black & rough but very fast in its day , am woundering if it was percy ?? Murphy,s lol
Mr Murphy features in the 'Anglias" thread which was a while back.
Nope , the fresh one means a clean virgin , [clean canvas] no rust .............. I saw t he one on Anglia link , fast back pik at Invercargil classic meet , now that looks like the old car but probably a replica....... looks very good .
FYI. John Murhpy still farming and competing in the Thames Valley area. And very quick as well.
Thanks Allan , he was always fast ........ we had a run off & John Wigstons chevron up in the hills on the right hand side by that old pub in Wiakino valley , I thought we might end up killing our selves no one budged each time go quicker & quicker & the wire fences got closer & closer I end up putting a bar from space frame up over my helmet to the roll bar as not to lose my head lol thinking back a bit silly but got us going , this happened at a few venues , I re call going up one fast straight backwards on cold slicks, jumping off an apex , every one would have a story of close calls & the fun of racing , we have all done it lots of fun ..
Think Powerful Percy was ex Ivan Segedin, Robbie Francevic bio in NZ Classic Car said it was provided by a kind benefactor. Old images of the car when Ivan Segedin raced it showed white/orange colour scheme that was the same as when Robbie raced Powerful Percy.Maybe this ended up being Lotus powered for the 1966 season ?
45DCOE- I saw the same article -Robbie didnt really want to do another season in PP-and was intriged by the name .So who/what was Percy or just made up after a few drinks? ? No doubts about it being powerful.
I think you're right in that the name would have been made up after a few beers - it was used during the Franicevic period but not, IIRC, before. If memory serves, Segedin sold it to Warren Reid, who left Robbie to do most of the driving. As far as I know it never had a twincam engine - or if it did, the big pushrod engine was soon back in
The only twincam Anglia I'm sure Robbie raced was Nazer's (or ex-Nazer?) and that was at the end of the 1965/66 season
David- hows your memory on this one- is this the same Anglia that Robbie rallyed around 70-72 It also was a big pushrod motor.
Re The Orange & white Anglia driven by Robbie, it had a 1474cc pushrod engine, in other words a 1340cc 109e engine bored out to 85mm. it was a small engine Anglia by comparison with many of the others which is why it lacked a wee bit of straight line speed. As I understand it this car started life as a rental car in Fiji and then became the Segedin Anglia Alardette which was powered by a supercharged 105E engine and it was in this form that it first caught my eye at Teretonga. After many owners/ drivers the car ended up in the hands of Ross McKay in Timaru who fitted a 2 litre climax motor to it and went hillclimbing very successfully but then following a con rod failure the car sat in his workshop minus engine and gearbox until someone who bears a remarkable resemblence to my wife brought it for someone about my size as a wedding present back in 1970. On transporting this car to Greymouth where I was then working it became quite successful in hillclimbs, sprints but now with a mild 1500cc Cortina engine and a std Anglia gearbox fitted to it and enjoyed many great battles with Bob Homewood who was running Jim Kennedy Escort in the same events. We also took part in the occasional OSCA race meeting at Levels and then on shifting to Whangarei we sold the car to Alan Hewlett who used it for a number of years before it placed into the car of the Kumara rubbish tip. About 2 months after that I contacted Alan as to what he was doing with the car as I would have liked it back so as to restore it but unfortunately a recent flood had swept much of the tip along with the Anglia out into the Tasman sea.
On the Coast the car became known by some as "The Wacky Racer" and Bob Homewood will one day admit to his part in Fred the goat becoming a guest in its confines. Fred was never the same goat after that experience.
The Anglia that Robbie rallied was the ex Bruce Bayliss car from Timaru
Carlo- thanks for filling in these gaps.
Carlo, I remember Bruce,s car well [white with purple roof , [I think], he & Brian developed it all the time 13/40 & got it going pretty damn quick , Ernie helping with bits & pieces, started as a bit of a hot rod , same time as Gary had his replica mk 1 lotus 13/40 , or the black Anglia...... Gee Carlo you have some great memories , & John , not to mention Steve...
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