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Thank you for your commendation. I knew before I started this book that I was bound to get some criticisim. But I am also pretty sure that I have done the best job possible given the fact that most of these cars were, before the late 80s registed as anything but their correct name. Most were called specials, some were called a Triumph Herald and one Lotus 7 type car called the Macrae was actually registered as a Ford Cortina Stationwagon.
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I know a lot about the Corsair and my pictures are slightly better than the ones shown by markec but would I would appreciate better ones if anybody has any. For the record it is a revamped Jarvie, originally made by Reinforced Plastics in Penrose. Only one was made here (see pictures) before Gordon Johns purchased the moulds and made a further two. Ford were not happy with the Corsair name being used and got grumpy.
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Thanks for the acclamations. I am currently approaching publishers about printing the book with an aim to publish either for Fathers day 2012 or 2013 depending on printing issues.
Next question can anybody tell me any more about this car....
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Pasted below is the full Auto Age magazine of cars under production in 1985. Please note that the centre car on page 85 is an Everson Eagle not a Bainbridge as stated.
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Patrick, as I was on staff at the AA ( and had some involvement with the article) when this was published I would suggest a little caution which I know you are doing. It would be fair to say there was a level of "commercial backing".
Agree. I have already discovered a few differences between this article and reality but that is not unusual in many articles I have read or even TV broadcasts for that matter. In all instances the manufacturer is trying to show his product in its best light which is fully understandable. However history has proven that showing a product in its "best light" looks quite different looking back over the years when the "rose tinted glasses" have been removed. This article was written almost 30 years ago. Some of the things promised never occured or got off the first base. For instance the Ibis 7 car never saw light of day but it would eventually start production in a much modified form as the Chevron.
Patrick. I owned the Ibis 7 a few years ago. At that stage it was powered by a Datsun 1200 and box but the rest was definitely Viva. Although it was really the Chevron Prototype the next car was built by Evan Fray and became Chevron number 1. Sadly when I sold the Ibis 7 it went with its new owner to the sunny part of Australia, it was either Queensland or Brisbane. Ian Byrd then went on to build the Mini powered Berkeley which he also called the Ibis. Someone once told me the first car was called Ibis after the bird which he believed ate Lotus flowers. i.e. Ibis eats Lotus. However I have never had that confirmed by Ian Byrd
Graeme Banks
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Taken from the Sports Car Club of NZ magazine March 1984
It is true that Ian Byrd used the name Ibis becasue it was very fond of the Lotus. However the car was never a Berkeley. It was at best inspired by a Berkekey. Keeping it short.... It all started when.....
Auckland vintage restorer Wallace McNair at one stage owned a Berkeley and with the arrival and success of the Mini he decided to build a Berkeley-styled car in New Zealand that would use the Mini front suspension, a beam axle with Mini hubs. The A series motor would be dropped in favour of using a more modern 550cc Suzuki two-stroke. This was never finished.
Ian Byrd heard about the project and bought the unfinished prototype off Wallace in 1985 he immediately gave the car the Ibis name as well. He then set about widening the car to take the entire Mini front and rear subframes. Unfortunately this car was accidentally destroyed when it fell off a truck on the Auckland motorway after some children had released the rope tethering it.
It could have all ended there but with the help Tim Monk-Mason and another prototype was made from a new plug using bits they could salvage from the first car. This time the project was virtually all Mini with the original Berkeley live axle replaced with Mini trailing arms and coil over shocks. Although it looked like a Berkeley it was a different car with the moulds being taken off a totally new buck. If the two cars were parked side by side the Ibis would have been the slightly longer, wider and the more rounded of the two. Although it resembled the Berkeley, it was clearly an evolution and not a replica. Only about 10 were ever produced.
Below an original Berkeley.
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Tim Monk Mason sitting in the Ibis buck
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The car was later completely remade. Going by the name of RD Wasp and had more than a passing resemblance to the Cobra in everything but scale. Ian Byrd had nothing to do with this Composites International design. Six of these were built and it is believed that only one remains in New Zealand.
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Interested to read about the Ibis and Wasp,I was asked to get involved with the project and helped built the original floor pan mould with Ian,[This through my being involved in the Fibreglass industry for 25 years ,Ultralite Aircraft Ltd,Bruce Stratton and Rob Trainer [based originally at Ardmore Aerodrome and the Papakura],took over the project and created the Wasp,now these guys in my opinion the BEST producers off fibreglass compoments in NZ,[this before carbon fibre etc].They were such perfectionists that they would not release the kit till everything was absolutely perfect.I took one of the car for a drive one time and it was fantastic,the finish excellent,it was very hard to see that the car was built iut off FRP as all compoments were router cut on the edges so had very sharp finishes.
The only other person I ever came across with similar skills is Ferris De Joux who I supplied a lot of raw materials for his various projects.Ferris could make a pattern quicker than anyone i had come across,but i give the quality award to the Ultralite boys.
Ferris was involved with a bus design project which was going to finish up in production in China,he needed to make seats for the bus ,so he used a section from a Brabham nose mould he had as the back portion of the seat,just the correct contour to,and very comfortable.Wish i had bought a Wasp now,it would be great fun,they had a photo on their wall of a Cobra and Wasp together,very very similar.
Ross
Composites International have always produced high quality fibreglass products and it is either Rob Trainer or Bruce Stratton driving the Wasp above. They also made the body panels for the Phil Weir GT40 cars. Below is a picture of the RD Wasp with an Almac 427SC Cobra.
The moulds for this car are still owned by Composites International.
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Patrick,Great photo,Bruce Stratton is driving the Wasp,if i recall what killed it off is the regulations pertaining to kit cars,I can remember being on their premises and they would do something like rear suspension mounts,have it inspected and the rules would change[or would be changed on them] and they would have to redo it,no short cut for these boys,new patterns new moulds etc etc and then re submit......it was all very frustrating for them.
Rosco
You are absolutely right. They were building this car at the same time as when all the new regulaltions were coming out. One of the most frustrating things for them is that they were told the original Mini brakes were not good enough despite them being fitted to a much lighter car. They modified the design to take honda discs and callipers. It definately stopped then.
One of the main things that killed it off in the end was sudden influx of Japanese imports. It was Japanese imports that put many small volume car producers out of business in that era. Up to that point their were a lot of uniqueluy designed New Zealand Cars. Once the dust had settled all that were left were Lotus 7, MG TD, Cobra and a few other replicas.
Almac tried to be original in the early 90s, with the Almac Sabre but by that time they could not compete with cheap Japanese pocket rockets and production stopped after only 15 or so cars had been made. That aside the Saker is still in production and the Murtya is the newest original car trying to get into this market and maybe will be ok. Bothe the Saker and the Murtaya are based on Subaru running gear.
I went for a ride in a RD Wasp a couple of years ago and it still is a brilliant fun little car.
The Murtaya.
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Have you included MER, Maramata Engineering built 5 or 6 single seat race cars and 3 sports cars in the late '60s. all except 1 had rear mounted Mini endines. I wrote a breif history a couple of years ago for Historic Racing Drvers Magazine, which I could send you if interested. The then owner of Matamata Engineering, Alan Pepper is still arround as well..
No. I have never heard of this car and yes I am interested especially if the three sports cars were intended to be road legal as this is the focus on my book.
My book is now in its final draft so I am now doing all those little tidy up tasks before it goes to the publishers in February of next year. The aim is to have it on book shelves for Fathers Day and Christmas 2013.
Hi,
A friend of mine owns serial #2 Cherub(Moke look-alike) and has the original rego papers showing one of the Eversons as the first owner. He never knew what it was until I sent him the information from this forum.
Regards
Al
To Patrick Harlow - Mostly right Sir.
The Berkeley shell did indeed fall of back of truck and that is when I came on board. We both wanted simple light small easy cars to gymkhana and do sprints in.
We cut the ruined shell in half and spaced it 6 inches and started adding foam and bog everywhere to build up a shape. Underneath was the Berkeley. We wanted to pay homage to it without copying it. We used a shape that grew organically - we would add a flare and then reduce it. Add a bulge and add more maybe. We went through several nose jobs.
I worked 3 to 11.40 at the time and would work on it from 9 till 2 most day and all days off. We were both Psychiatric nurses though Ian had left by then to work as a drug company rep.
It is fair to say it was Ian’s design in terms of engineering but I would claim to have done a lot of hard graft, modelling, mould making, and design in terms of shape. Ian had great ideas and skill but did not always see his stuff through – hence he sold off what became the Chevron.
Originally we intended to make only 2 shells so the moulds we made needed only be simple and work twice. But when a friend from SPCNZ saw it and wanted one it went a bit bonkers. We ended up having a new moulds made professionally so as to last longer.
Our first glass maker was in West Auckland (Avondale/New Lynn/Henderson somewhere – I can’t recall) NOT Ardmore - they came into it later.
No one helped us in these early days. We worked in Ian’s garage then in a loft at Evan Fray of Chevron fame's place in Henderson. He helped with a few details like brackets etc. A great chap.
The first cars were pure glass with no metal. Foam beams and carbon fibres provided strength.
After the first maybe 4 or 5 cars were made (and still we did not have our own) we decided to take it further and went to Ardmore where they improved the foam beams and other structural details. Their expertise was invaluable though they cost us more! A few more cars were made there and then we scrapped the foam and added a steel frame to make the sills strong and provide seat belt points.
Ian was a very clever man indeed. But he then wanted what he considered his baby to himself and cut me out wanting to expand, and thinking there was a much bigger market for them (I had been doing sales). I did not think there was a big market and so took a body chassis unit with me and built my own car. As was often the case no company was set up and no legal structure was formed so I was out on a limb.
Ian did not sell more than maybe 1 or 2 more cars, and indeed the NZ market really was not there for more than a few. He wanted to sell to Australia and I had disagreed but they never did get into Aus. as their ADR had just been introduced and it would have cost a lot to comply.
Around about then Ian developed a slid beam rear axle system to replace the mini trailing arms - based on what a lot of mini 7 racers were using. I think the idea was too take bigger wheels.
He sold out to Ardmore who remodelled it and I must say improved the fibre glass and details, reshaped the nose, added bigger arches, and later made the wasp. A better machine though I did not like the new look - too much of a mini-me Cobra.
Much later the mould turned up in Brightwater outside Nelson in a place that was actively exporting nice mini’s to Japan when they were still cheap here. They made a few cars though I have not managed to get any reply from messages left for them so don’t know how many.
My own car had a lovely hot motor and was mostly built with new parts from the old BMC warehouse in Mt wellington. I never really used it as it left somewhat of a sour taste in my mouth and sold it and it went to Germany!
Not sure about this Ross. Don't mean to be rude but the first buck and moulds were all done by me and Ian in his garage in Henderson with no help from anyone.
I did an awful lot of glass and bog work, made many moulds and we laid up the basic floorpan buck and took moulds.
Where abouts and at what stage were you involved?
Tim Monck-Mason
Interesting that they have wasp moulds still. Maybe they sold teh old ibis moulds off to Mini people in Brightwater. certainly teh Japanese cars are Ibis shaped.
PS. Dont quite agree that the wasp was completly new and had nothing to do with Ibis - always thought of it as development and structural/quality improvement.
Yours,
Tim Monck-Mason
I have a F10 in my workshop for a hood and tonneau cover.
How many out there have heard or seen one of these 4 cars?
Hi Tim,
As you say, we were told that the blue car was the first one. The doors pretty much wanted to open when you went over a bump - it was pretty 'flexible' but a fun wee car. Dad bought the green Ibis off Ian Byrd, it was sold some time later to a Mini collector in Hamilton, whose name I can dig up if you are interested. I would have bought it myself as everything had been rebuilt on it but I had an Aussie Clubman GT, A de Joux Mini GT, a spare de Joux Mini GT shell and an S4 Lotus 7 at the time. I wish now that I had sold the Clubman GT for it...
I liked the Wasp - the quality was great but there just wasn't the room for the Cobra nose treatment. Give me the Ibis any day, it had better proportions and its own identity...
Oh yeah, no, Dad didn't work for Air NZ.
Cheers,
Paul.
Hi Paul, yes they were emmm flexible. I regretted not putting a big metal brace bar between my door jams and not bothering with the door. wasp was far better made but I do agree that the nose did not work. Maybe like me you preferred the Ac Ace and early 289 Cobra over the 427.
Scary to recall that no one tested the things when we registered them!
Yes i recall the green one now too - did it come with a Lyn Rogers engine? we had one and swapped it to different cars - it was too much power for the wee thing and made the steering very twitchy!
The green one had a very nice 1275cc but I doubt it was a spec that would have justified Lynn Rogers being involved. I must confess to liking all the different Cobras, for different reasons. My issue with the Wasp is that they were trying to include a detail they didn't have room for and it just looks too small and cramped. The initial styling was a great success in my opinion. There was a complete kit sold cheap 18 months ago, I wish I'd bought it!
Hi Patrick,
Here are a few images of my Toyota 18RG powered Chevron. I also have a large collection of very early (ie: from issue #1) Chevron Car Club magazines with features on all the early cars, race results, club cartoons etc. Let me know if you're interested.
Cheers, John
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Patrick. Here are some images of my Porsche Carrera 3.0 litre powered McRae 550 Spyder...
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And here are a few more taken during the Dunlop Targa. It was a bloody fast car!
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Patrick, my third NZ built car was the Almac Sabre S2. I'm sure you have plenty of images of these, but here are a few you may not have seen.
Cheers, John
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And finally here are some more recent images of the Sabre...
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Do you need any Cobra photos? http://s835.photobucket.com/user/cob...ml?sort=3&o=83
Guys, please be fair to Patrick! We all know more than he has been able to accept :) but he did have to draw a line somewhere. Hopefully he will come out with a second edition using the material he has been offered in hindsight.
There is Heron in my workshop that gets pushed in and out each day that has been there for years.Most of it is there but needs resto.
A reasonable offer may temp the owner to sell it.
Peter.