There's one in David Manton's recently published book Enzo Ferrari's Secret War
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There's one in David Manton's recently published book Enzo Ferrari's Secret War
Somebody asked what it was like to drive. Remember this was 1967. Now just because I drove it, does NOT mean that I gave it any "welly", in fact I thought it was a bit of a bucket of bolts. My sports car, TF replica with a B series was actually nicer to drive. Obviously not the performance, but the GTO rattled and shook and banged around some. The box was not easy to use, and in all reality it took away any enthusiasm for the Prancing Horse which is yet to return. I suspect that being able to use it on other than suburban streets might have been a lot different.
When Logan negotiated to buy the car, one of his stipulations was that it must have reverse gear.
Not long after he got it back to Hamilton reverse failed, when the transaxle was pulled down it was soon apparent why. Someone in Christchurch had simply taken out a set of gears, and replaced them with sprockets and chain. This might have worked, had something a bit stronger than pushbike chain been used! The other notable thing was the bits of road metal inside the case!
One of the other memorable things was the use of the fuel tank from the single seater days, this meant that to fill it you reached inside with the fuel nozzle and filled approximately where the parcel shelf would have been on any other car. Of course the fumes hung round too, as well as any spillage.
Logan was an inveterate collector, had most of the remaining Mistrals in his yard at the time.
WOW this is an interesting thread !!
Im not into this era of car probably cos I'm too young but the car owners are themselves as interesting as the car
Will we ever see people like them again??
How many racing Ferrari cars where in NZ?
not just passing thru to race but lived there?
Im not a ferrari fanatic but i think a ferrari living in NZ is more interesting than any ferrari living anywhere else in the world
Logan sounds like an interesting character and can you imagine being at school and your teacher effectively comes to school in an F1 car WOW !
Well probably the most significant Ferrari that held NZ ownership would be the 375 that Froilan Gonzales raced to victory at the British GP in 1951. This car spent many years in NZ, owned and raced by Ron Roycroft.
Perhaps the most colourful Ferrari, as far as its post GP racing history goes, was the 555 that ended up being fitted with a Morris Minor body and small block Chevy motor: http://www.theroaringseason.com/show...hlight=morrari
Prove it:)
There's a lot of dispute (outside NZ) about this. There seems no doubt the Roycroft car was 375/2, the same number as the Gonzalez British GP winner. But was the Gonzalez 1951 375/2 the same as the 375/2 supplied to Rosier in 1952 (and hence to Roycroft)?
(I don't know the answer)
Six F1-based cars:
1. The Roycroft 375 as above
2. Supersqualo FL9001
3. Supersqualo FL9002 (briefly)
4. Pat Hoare 4-cylinder special
5. Pat Hoare V12-engined Dino 246
6. Graeme Lawrence rear-engined Dino 246
And among sports/racing cars:
1. 750 Monza
2. 250LM (briefly)
and post-period
3. 375MM
4. 500/750/850
there is the whitehead monza that jenson drove .had plenty of debates over this car ,the car was a 860 with a 3.4 mtr.the same mtr. an gearbox as his and parnells squallos.it sat in newmarket for some time up for sale. but did not sell it had two bulges in the bonet and adiferent grill. sadly moes publication refer to them as 750 monzas!!!!
Six F1-based cars:
1. The Roycroft 375 as above
2. Supersqualo FL9001who had this car
3. Supersqualo FL9002 (briefly) when you say briefly educate me- was this owned by the owner of 9001?
4. Pat Hoare 4-cylinder special
5. Pat Hoare V12-engined Dino 246
6. Graeme Lawrence rear-engined Dino 246
how many cars remain in NZ?
And among sports/racing cars:
1. 750 Monza
2. 250LM (briefly) was it on loan or sold back to northern hemisphere?
and post-period what do you call post period
3. 375MM
4. 500/750/850
anyone able to post photos?
To briefly answer driftwood’s questions:
Single-seaters:
2 and 3. After Parnell and Whitehead had campaigned the Supersqualos in the NZ international series they sold them to local drivers Tom Clark (FL9001) and John McMillan (FL9002). After only a handful of NZ events both new owners took them to Australia to race: McMillan sold his car there – hence its “brief” time in NZ ownership
Of the six cars resident in NZ at various times, the total remaining is 0
Sportscars:
2. The ownership of the LM was never entirely clear. It was believed to have been owned in NZ by Andrew Buchanan, but was returned to Scuderia Veloce in Australia, who had campaigned it before, so maybe it was a lease deal. As far as I know it’s never raced in the Northern Hemisphere, unless in historic tacing comparitively recently
3 and 4. I should have had a colon after the ‘post-period’. Both these cars were imported long after they had ceased to be competitive propositions (or indeed compliant with any regulations)
When these cars came south to race was it part of the deal that the cars had to be sold to locals as part of the import tax/import bond? or is that an urban myth
Depends if you were lucky enough to find a buyer :)
There was certainly never any compulsion for the cars to be sold
Slightly different point to the one raised but, yes, it was an attraction for Australian and New Zealanders to take their car out of the country once a year if they had entered the country under bond. I presume there came a time when the value of the car was sufficiently reduced for the bond to be payable - or did the bond apply only for a limited time?
i think the 250lm was owned by david mckay when spencer martin raced it later on he {dmc }crased in front of fagio ,i remember him saying he could put out his hand and touched ,,he then rebuilt it and a group of them owned it
Yes, David McKay = Scuderia Veloce
david the 500 you mention is that the kenny smith mondel he owned with graham lawrence had no body???
On u tube dial fangio v brabham see 1978 sandown race ,following year {79}was when david mckay smashed the 250LM quite badly an oil line putting oil on tyres was the reason!!
are you the jim short that they tell me ,who had a bit to do with the first custaxie that was made.
no sorry just a poor old truck driver who did ent even have a state house to live in went to tokoroa in 1958 never saw the custie run
silverstone around 1995.
:)
Just noticed a wee snippet in the article which Wally posted in the McBegg thread that says Don McDonald used this car for a crack at the Speed record but "only" did 152.3mph.
"Only" in that they were chasing a 10-year-old class record which stood at 157.4mph
David do you know any thing about the ferrari sports kenny had in his storage for several yrs.???
Assuming we're talking about the same one, it had started life as a 2-litre Mondial raced at Macau in the mid '50s, then had the engine replaced by a 3.0, thereby becoming in effect a 750 Monza. When Kenny acquired it in Singapore (initially at least in partnership with Graeme Lawrence) in the 1970s it was with a 3.4-litre engine, ie, an 860 Monza. He couldn't get a body built for it and eventually sold it, still unrestored and bodyless, overseas around 1986. I believe it's now back in 2.0 Mondial spec
Hi thanks thats the one
The Mondial Jim refers to and Dave gives the history on was a car I saw in Kenny's lockup which had a big dog on a running chain which was best to keep on the right side of. I have a photo some where. Was a very dirty looking thing and I did not know what I was looking at except it had this perky little twin cam (4 cyl ??) motor standing upright in the engine bay. I think it had some body attached.
Beside it was a 500 Cooper look alike that had been used in Hillclimbs by ?? (well known name) who I may remember in due course. It was very dirty and rudimentary with grip tyres and think had a 500 motor.
Later I heard the story about a car having some joint ownership issues which sounds like the Mondial I saw. Hell that must have been over 25 yrs ago!!
If I can sort out how to post photos I will put them on. When I scan them it says they are too big. Any help to this newbie welcome....Chris Read.
Chris, re the pics, there is a good site you can use called Tinypic, where you can upload your photo and resize it to what you need, then you just copy and paste the info into the forum here. Really easy to use. Quite a few members on here use it. The tools here on the forum are also easy to use, but you need to have the photos at a small enough size they'll be accepted, which seems to be your stumbling block. Tinypic can be found here: http://tinypic.com/index.php
Just email me if you have any questions, would love to see your photos: enquiries@monsterracewear.co.nz
Can't find the photo of the little Mondial in Kenny's lock up referred to earlier above, but have found one of the Cooper type look a like that was sitting along side the Ferrari. Has Duckams sponsored and a twin. Was used in hAttachment 6916illclimbs and pretty rough. Any one recognise it? Chris Read, Arrowtown.
It does look very Cooper-like. Could it be the RGR?
Not the RGR, it never had a Vincent
I've just had a quick flick through my photos - reckon it's Steve Boreham's MkX Cooper, which did run a Vincent (as well as just about every other motorcycle engine you can think of) and did go to Ken Smith. Towards the end of its long hillclimbing life the car ran with a horizontal nose stripe as in Chris's photo
Yes the shed was full of Minor gards and bonets ect stacked to the roof,all ex Dominion Mtrs. I guess
I reckon you are right David, as usual.
You are right...Steve Boreham was the guy I was trying to remember...will leave the car id to you. I reckon I was in Kenny's lockup in the early 80's.
Another mystery solved. Chris Read,Arrowtown.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30...o#.UY4J45NjXSh
link
The hoare car "bucking" it pilot