SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga

[Jac Mac]

Seems like everyone is too shy to start a thread for these meetings, I am doing a starve here for reliable info....Paul Faheys Escort made an appearance & I found a couple of videos on youtube...this was one that had a bit of interest for me anyway.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rI2La8NG7w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rI2La8NG7w)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rI2La8NG7w

[Racer Rog]

This was Classic Muscle Cars in the program, I didn't see one racing, so was not sure just what I was watching?
Roger

[markec]

They are certainly not modern muscle cars.

[Racer Rog]

I think that this where Dale Steve and Tony have it right, the Skope Classic is certainally not that, there was good racing in some classes, but mis-matched fields, a modern GT3 Porker, a classic muscle car, I think not, I know thats it hard to get a full field, but I think, organizers just have to say NO to some, Skope, IMHO fails to address, their interest is full grids of sort look like a classic car, as its their biggest cash cow of the year.The best grid at the meeting was the Formula Juniors, and I guess it will be a while before we see them again.
Roger

[rogered]

I think that this where Dale Steve and Tony have it right, the Skope Classic is certainally not that, there was good racing in some classes, but mis-matched fields, a modern GT3 Porker, a classic muscle car, I think not, I know thats it hard to get a full field, but I think, organizers just have to say NO to some, Skope, IMHO fails to address, their interest is full grids of sort look like a classic car, as its their biggest cash cow of the year.The best grid at the meeting was the Formula Juniors, and I guess it will be a while before we see them again.
Roger


Yeah i know aht you are saying, however I looked at it from a different view.
Full grids of different cars and a "run what you brung" type format was good to watch. i know what you say about the porsche , but to me the entertainment was further back down the feild
We flew down for the 3 days and il go again next year

[Jac Mac]

Can I assume you have both made your feelings known to the Canterbury Car Club & Skope Industries, wonder what Guy Stewarts reaction might be, after all it is his 'porker' and skope do sponsor the meet..:)

Just in case any others wish to see pics rather than debate what constitutes a Classic/Modern muscle car [ can they be one & the other ? ]...start your own thread to debate that!!!

www.hellophoto.co.nz/showthread.php?9101-Scope-Classic-2013-(Motorsport)

[rogered]

Can I assume you have both made your feelings known to the Canterbury Car Club & Skope Industries, wonder what Guy Stewarts reaction might be, after all it is his 'porker' and skope do sponsor the meet..:)

Just in case any others wish to see pics rather than debate what constitutes a Classic/Modern muscle car [ can they be one & the other ? ]...start your own thread to debate that!!!

www.hellophoto.co.nz/showthread.php?9101-Scope-Classic-2013-(Motorsport)

No objection to the porsche at all, i think i should have said that it did not detract from any of the races.
nothing wrong with a bit of horse power,:)


Any news from the man in the Lotus 7 what rolled over the back?

[Kiwiboss]

Yeah i know aht you are saying, however I looked at it from a different view.
Full grids of different cars and a "run what you brung" type format was good to watch. i know what you say about the porsche , but to me the entertainment was further back down the feild
We flew down for the 3 days and il go again next year

Racer Rog, rogered, you're both rite but what i see here is a modern version of an "All Comers" class with the odd classic chucked in so definatly not Historic/Classic motor racing(though i do luv the victor)!! it does make for good entertainment which i guess the Skope organisers have acheived but what it doesn't do is give the "racer" incentive hence why i wasn't there as this is another group/class i'd prefer to watch than be in. Still, like me one doesn't have to enter if they don't like it and as they "had" competitiors they have a group and that means a race.(I did recieve one e-mail last week who thought he was totally out classed in this group)

What i'd like to see "Skope" do is support at there event a more historic saloon group based on the MSNZ T&C/HMC rules, if only 6 legal cars turned out first time it doesn't matter as like HMC they will find it will build from there, unless the track promotor supports a class using a "standardised" set of rules it will go nowhere. But i guess to them its more work so probably will never happen.

As for the Skope event itself i still think its fantastic and will one day make the trip down again

Dale M

[markec]

You also have to realise that the south island doesn't have the concentrated population base that the north island has, and the bottom line is as Jac Mac is interested in, is that it was primarally a classic car meet with the odd mismatch thrown in.
Apparently the Lotus 7 driver was not badly injured as was the Ralt driver, only superficial injuries, unlike the guy at the Oxford speedway the same day who was badly injured.
Lets get back to giving Jack what he asked for in this thread, Info of the Skope meeting, also more to come from Timaru this coming weekend before Teratonga, in Jacks patch.

[Steve Holmes]

Brilliant thread Jac. I hope you don't mind, I embedded that video in your opening post. I too would love to see some more photos. The Southern Festival of Speed is certainly a brilliant series of events.

Watching that vid, I see a few cool old OSCA cars in there, including your old MkII Cortina, plus the Alex Dickie Victor, and the Don Grindley RX7 Buick. I'd have expected to see Mike Eden in there too?

[Russ Noble]

Yep. Michael Eden was there, can't remember whether he was in that race or not.

The SKOPE is a major successful meeting for the CCC. There were good crowds, plenty of entrants and generally good racing. It just seems to get bigger and better every year.

Lets face it, the CCC has a massive investment and an infrastructure which has to be serviced, by amongst other things, running profitable race meetings. They are competing with numerous other ventures for the discretionary entertainment dollars of the spectators, whom it would appear stamp their seal of approval on this meeting. So do the drivers, or they wouldn't be there. Dale for instance opted out and that is his choice, but far more opted in. The spectators can do the same thing.

Generally these spectators don't care about the semantics of the specifications etc in a car. Or whether it's the genuine article, or a dead nuts replica or merely a "look-a-like". To them an Escort is an Escort is an Escort. And they are paying the money to get through the gate.

I think some people get too pedantic about what should and shouldn't be raced at a meeting such as the SKOPE, the important thing is to put on good racing with varied fields which the paying public will enjoy. Get too picky about what can be raced and you will invariably have smaller grids, there will be less to interest the spectators, and so the following year, for that reason, some will spend their money elsewhere. Then you are on the slippery slide.... Less gate takings, less entry fees, similar overheads.... Anyone can see where thats going....

For what its worth, for SFOS, the SKOPE is more picky about what you can race than Teretonga is, and maybe Levels as well.

I'm sure if a good field of, shall we say, "pure" classic/historic cars were available they would find the organisers would put on a separate race for them. And over the years that has happened, for instance with the Formula Libre single seater class which now has the F5000's as a separate race and of course this year also the FJ's had their own race. Also if I remember correctly, in the past the Historic Touring Cars have had their own races too.

The thing is to get out there and when you have the numbers, canvas for a separate race. This may mean some other race has to be axed, so it may come down to which race would provide the most entertainment...And that is the bottom line, the meeting must be entertaining and the spectators have to want to come back the following year.

Of course so do the drivers, but that doesn't seem to be much of a problem, even in these cash strapped times when other current/modern classes are struggling.....

[Roger Hills]

Well said Russ. Shame about the knockers, this is not the place for negativity. Use the Rennsport races today at Levels as an example, a staggered start for the BMW E30s who have their own race amongst themselves and the very excellent "new" commentators tell the crowd that North Island E30 racers number approx 90 and maybe we shall see more down here in future, in the meantime everyone having a good time. 25 races a day, and the best fields that have fronted in any motorsport event down this way for a long time. International entrants returning, associated businesses, car clubs and track "operators" all in the black, Shell Sport category having a rebirth, sun-shining, no major incidents, program running to schedule, after match dinner over-soldout, oh and did I mention everyone having a good time? So bring on the photos and videos that this thread was initiated for so I can continue to enjoy my day.

[Racer Rog]

Another great day of racing at Levels on Sunday, bloody hot temp at the track was 33 degrees, but the drivers coped very well in the heat, Formula Junior racing really good and a delight to watch, the commentators were very good, adding local flavour to banter, and very little damage to vehicles GREAT Saturday night function, very good food and music, quit a few threw the zimmer frames away and were seen dancing.
Roger

[Steve Holmes]

Thats great Roger! I'd really love to see some photos from either (or both) Ruapuna or Timaru.

[Racer Rog]

Steve I was that busy running around I only took two photos and the battery in the camera is flat so have not put it on the laptop yet but hope to get that done tonight so will post them then, Craig Pidgeon told me last night that he had posted some video on U-Tube of some in cat footage, which I am told is very good, There seemed to be quite a few with cameras in their cars so here's hoping they will post here as well, all the FJ boys from Auckland will no doubt add a lot here as well, the circuit there is well suited to these cars, and we have started the planing for next year already, the band is booked!, I certainaly thank all the guys who came down from the North Island, quite a few make the trip every year now, and there is a lot who stay at the circuit and a fine old time is had by all, with some great feeds cooked up at an evening with a few fantas, but not to the excesses of the old days, as we are all to old to miss a day above the ground now.
Roger

[Racer Rog]

Some Photos from Skope and ENZED Classic at levels Photos did come through will have another go, must be doing something wrong....again!!!

[kiwi285]

Did anyone get any photos from Ruapuna or Levels of the Shellsport cars. I have seen a couple of the Datsuns but nothing else as yet.

[Racer Rog]

Unfortinually there was only about 3 real cars in the grid at Levels, the rest were ring in's to try and fill a field, they need to follow the lead of HMC in their approach to the class, stick to what the real rules were and hold true to them, this is not the case at the moment, there is certainally the potential for the group to grow

[car mad]

motor sport is dangerous.............a sad day for all involved ..........two F50000 race cars have crashed a teretonga race track during practice at approx 4.15 the two cars contacted the tyre wall at high speed one driver was transported the the local hospital in a very serious condition ............

[Racer Rog]

motor sport is dangerous.............a sad day for all involved ..........two F50000 race cars have crashed a teretonga race track during practice at approx 4.15 the two cars contacted the tyre wall at high speed one driver was transported the the local hospital in a very serious condition ............

Yes he is a well known South Island driver, I certainally hope that he's survives his injuries, and hope the prayers of many Gods are with him
Roger

[Rod Grimwood]

This is terrible news and hits down deep, our prayers and thoughts are with him and family, a well known gentleman and a beaut guy along with it.

[Racer Rog]

He was operated on last night, and has at this point had a comfortable night.
Roger

[shellsport]

This was Classic Muscle Cars in the program, I didn't see one racing, so was not sure just what I was watching?
Roger Does a car with " Muscle " have to derive from the great USA to wear this title , e.g Jack Ondrack in his TVR . If this dosen,t have " Muscle " then I have missed something !

[Racer Rog]

I Think it would depend upon your diffinition of the term, Jacks car does not quite fit it under HMC terms, but I would guess its halfway there, V8 out of the US of A standard, because the poms could not make a cheap scource high HP engines.
Roger

[Kiwiboss]

Does a car with " Muscle " have to derive from the great USA to wear this title , e.g Jack Ondrack in his TVR . If this dosen,t have " Muscle " then I have missed something !

The term "Muscle" is used very loosely in this country particularly in motorsport, most all other countries involved in "Historic" racing call the vehicles of what would be considered the true "Muscle" Car era,(Pre 1978 tin tops) "Touring cars" and are fitting into different categories depending on age, engine, whether a saloon or sports car, etc and to some a Morris 1100 fitted with a 1850 could be a muscle car, what determines a vehicles status as a "True" Historic Touring car(EG: Muscle car) is its componentry representing its "period" in time, EG: a 1970 Camaro fitted with 1970 Camaro parts, this is based under each countries "Historic and Classic" rules as set out by each countries representing motorsport body to the FIA. For NZ this is set out in the Motorsport manual under Appendix 6 "Historic Competition" identifying the various groups such as Schedule K and T&C vehicles, once a old pre 78 saloon or sports car is modified with newer(post 78) componentry or outside how it would have raced "period"(EG, when new or near new) its either called a "club car" a "All-comers" or a "Sport Sedan" type vehicle depending on how each country views these groups!!

As for the TVR, "Muscle" hell yes, as for Historic or Classic, i think not.

Dale M

[Jac Mac]

Yet HMC would allow an alloy bodied Cobra, [Body/Chassis built in the UK, Muscle parts fitted in the USA], same theme as the TVR where cars were shipped to USA less motor for engine fitment, yes I agree JO's car has a few non TVR bits, but then ,doesnt someones Boss 302 run a ~ 355 cu in stroker/ big bore kit?, try doing that to a 69/70 Boss 302 block & see how it enhances the cooling system. Personally I think the whole COD system is a joke, prefer to think of it as a- Certificate of Deception:)

[fullnoise68]

Jac Mac, we don`t allow Corvettes in HMC, so a Cobra isn`t eligible either. Factory two or four door, four seater, period correct, of US, Aust, or South African origin.

[John McKechnie]

Jac Mac- if you take time to read the rules, then there would not be any misunderstanding. Steve Elliott and I are the new boys and we had no problems with the rules. I personally cant run a Dart block as its not correct dimensions as a Cleveland.

[Jac Mac]

No you cant but Dale for example can, you could get a Buttermore Block if you could talk Todd into making one for your falcon coupe , but if you want a quick ford its gotta be an XW Falcon or a 351w optioned ~69/70 manual stang to get it out to a safe ~427+ cubes within the 351c architecture, in post # 2or 3 of the HMC thread Dale alluded to an alloy Cobra being acceptable, but I see you have since brought out an "acceptable" Model List, however several "Muscle Car" publications in my library include both the Vette & Cobra in their listings, but hey, you guys make your own rules, after all its all about the cars, you certainly dont want drivers trying steal all the accolades by trying to be stars &'win' do you.

However this thread was meant to be for pics from the 3 SI meets, didnt even get to Teretonga myself today due to Grandad duties, but did get up close & personal with a proper mustang that makes a 'Boss' look like a part time employee!

[Kiwiboss]

No you cant but Dale for example can, you could get a Buttermore Block if you could talk Todd into making one for your falcon coupe , but if you want a quick ford its gotta be an XW Falcon or a 351w optioned ~69/70 manual stang to get it out to a safe ~427+ cubes within the 351c architecture, in post # 2or 3 of the HMC thread Dale alluded to an alloy Cobra being acceptable, but I see you have since brought out an "acceptable" Model List, however several "Muscle Car" publications in my library include both the Vette & Cobra in their listings, but hey, you guys make your own rules, after all its all about the cars, you certainly dont want drivers trying steal all the accolades by trying to be stars &'win' do you.

However this thread was meant to be for pics from the 3 SI meets, didnt even get to Teretonga myself today due to Grandad duties, but did get up close & personal with a proper mustang that makes a 'Boss' look like a part time employee!

HMC is one of the few "Historic and Classic" class's were the rules apply to everyone equally, based on T&C we are still new at this and learning as we go, originally under T&C we included both group 1 and 2 to allow sports cars, one person wanted to build a Bolwell Nagari which would have decimated the feild, another was a Pantera but as most wanted to build and race "Saloons" we decided to split the two groups,(someone else can handle the Sports Car) then i had persons wanting to build a 928 Porshce as they just fitted into the pre 12/77 criteria by 3 months so we though our arms in the air and done what the Aussies done, make an "Eligibility List" and from this we moved forward!!

We also realised we need a component supply readly avaliable but still keeping within the vehicles "Historic and Classic" rules/movement and to help build a fleet and make it viable!! this is NZ afterall, so to beable to buy a new but replacement part similar was the goal, from this we allowed Jerico and Tex 101 gearbox's as a "direct bolt in" replacement due to Toploaders and Muncies been difficult to source, even my American mates struggle to fine them these days and most are 40 plus years old and beat to death!! and once everyone has one(Jerico/Tex) there is then no performance advantage!! the same with engines, my Boss engine is NO larger than the maximun size engine my Mustang could have came with, EG 351, 428, same with Camaros, several have 406's but still no larger than a 427, but with been all cast iron(as per T&C) stock valve angle and port spacing and with a stock bonnet fitment this strangled the engine limiting the BIG HP, so we have allow aftermarket replacement blocks and heads of the same dimmensions as per each particular vehicle. NOW, theres alot MORE detail that i can go into here but between myself, Tony and Steve we will one step at a time iron the bugs out and are slowly but surely getting this done. Luckly if one doesn't like it, they can just go race in all the other groups avaliable, theres plenty out there, but they better not whinge when they get beat by a modern 900HP turbo Porshce, 1000HP turbo Nissan Skyline or similar.

Also, if i'd have had my own way i would have just impliment the Australian Historic and Classic Group Nc rules and been done with it, those boys over the pond have it sorted and i would have happly made my car comply, but THAT was going cause a major uproar and most would have had to start again!!

As you can see there is SO much more i can write about but this thread has been hijacked enough, but below is what im constantly pushing and i ALWAYS have attached to my HMC E-mailouts:

Dale M

CHEATING:Our rules are simple. They are notexact in many areas as “the spirit of sportsmanship” is the primary focus. The"Statement of Purpose" will take precedence in any rule dispute. Ifan entrant is found to have contravened the spirit of the rules he will riskdisqualification from any further involvement with HMC. In other words,cheating is not something that will be taken lightly. READ THE RULES and askquestions.

Philosophy. Historic and Classic motorsport is that branch ofthe sport where vehicles from a past era are used in friendly rivalry to allowthem to be exercised in a manner that the manufactures intended. It is not abranch of the sport where series and trophies for winning races are held inhigher regard than the sheer enjoyment of being involved.

[John McKechnie]

My last word Jac Mac-I built my Coupe to have fun with .Your idea of a car is not what Historic Muscle Cars is about.
Grady Thomsons Monaro will run again at Teretonga as a Schedule K COD , not a hot rod .

[Steve Holmes]

So were there any photos from these events? Someone must have been armed with a camera?

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks to my main man, Terry Marshall, for sending these to me. Southern Festival of Speed, from Ruapuna.

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[Steve Holmes]

Check out Steve Ross getting all crossed-up as he chases Clark Proctor.

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[Shoreboy57]

Jeez these are great pics. Thanks to Terry for sharing

[Steve Holmes]

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Saloon car racing action

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[Kiwiboss]

Mr Hoffman's Mustang always looks a treat!! can see the paint work glowing from here, with all the spit and polish, soo cool and without any modern aftermarket spoilers, etc. Dale M

[Steve Holmes]

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[Steve Holmes]

More stunning photos from Terry Marshall: FJ and VCC.

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[Lee Tracey]

Thanks very much Terry and Steve. Very glad to see Terry has not lost his gift. The Proctor/Ross and 3 wheeling Cooper in particular impress me.

Cheers
Lee

[Lotus7Alfa]

No pictures from Teretonga yet, so - here are some I took on the Friday test day

The Stuart Special
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial3_zps38c15379.jpg

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[Lotus7Alfa]

The McBegg
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V8-powered Topolino
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[Lotus7Alfa]

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Lotus 22 from the UK
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Chevron
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[Lotus7Alfa]

The Fordina
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Jaguar XJ-S
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[Lotus7Alfa]

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[Shano]

Great images.

[southspeed]

Have begun to name and upload photos from the Classic SpeedFest at Teretonga 16th/17th Feb 2013. Here is a link to the photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/southspeed/sets/72157632779951070/
Only done qualifying and up to Race 1 so lots more to come - something for everyone

[Michael Clark]

Sadly, my mate Barry Wise and I had a minor 'coming together' on Sunday morning...

By the way, did the Jennings Special actually race? The Juniors put on a fantastic display - right through the field, but especially at the front with four cars changing positions multiple times.

[Steve Holmes]

Michael, did you get to race at all three Southern Festival of Speed events this year?

[Steve Holmes]

No pictures from Teretonga yet, so - here are some I took on the Friday test day

The Stuart Special
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial3_zps38c15379.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial6_zpsad28ce37.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial2_zpsb433fba7.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial_zps6e3f8548.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial4_zps3b68e83a.jpg

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/GPL513/Classic%20Speedfest%202013/TheStuartSpecial5_zps966c5de8.jpg

All really great photos, thanks heaps for posting them. Got any more?

How stunning is this car!

[Steve Holmes]

More from Terry Marshall from Ruapuna

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[Lotus7Alfa]

All really great photos, thanks heaps for posting them. Got any more?

How stunning is this car!

Yes, the car looks absolutely amazing :)

Sorry, only made it down there on the Friday and that's all the photos I took - I've got heaps from last year (and 2009) though.

[Mark Roberts]

I found these pictures of SKOPE 2013 online , here is the link

http://www.nzsnaps.com/Motorsport/Circuit-racing/Skope-Classic-2013/27826642_rWV2gm#!i=2347028956&k=PLRRhdx

Mark

[southspeed]

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[Michael Clark]

Great photo Southspeed - thank you for posting!

Only Ruapuna and Teretonga this year - like last. The 2014 goal is the lot!

I just love the Quertier's Stuart - when I first spied it at Teretonga some years ago, I spent some time just admiring it as a mobile work of art. I must say it is also very well exercised!

[southspeed]

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Stuart Ford V8 Special (Mark Quertier) - Teretonga Speedfest 2013

[DJMcD]

Great shot of an historian at work! Is that Mr Wise about to lean on you Michael?

[DJMcD]

Hey JM was that green Victor run by Tony Mann your old rocket ship?

[bigbanger]

The 'Jennings Special' - what appears to be small block Chev powered Fiat Topolino pictured in post #50, can anybody tell us about it?

[John McKechnie]

bigbanger- Mark Jennings- Jennings Head specialists , used to be in Newton, Auckland. Ran this car in mid60s. Classic car driver August 2008 has an article.
Originally had Lincoln 368 now, has Chev 289 (just quoting article)

[Steve Holmes]

The 'Jennings Special' - what appears to be small block Chev powered Fiat Topolino pictured in post #50, can anybody tell us about it?

Pretty sure thats a Ford Y motor?

[AMCO72]

Wasnt there an feature done on this guy and the car in NZ Classic driver a couple of moons ago? Might see if I can find it.

[Steve Holmes]

Its an old Allcomer car from the '60s, has quite a history.

[bigbanger]

Thanks all for the info, yes Steve on second looks, it's not a SBC, the centre exhaust ports are more separated than a SBC and definitely have a Ford 'Y' resemblance. And John, the racing number 368 might well be a nod to a 368 Lincoln V8 fitted in the past.

[woody]

This is the 64 G P meeting.

[John McKechnie]

Thats an amazing field,
George Bunce there also.

[AMCO72]

Ok, have found the article on the 'Jennings Special'.....Issue no 24 of NZ Classic driver. An in depth article. The car now, or was, owned by Harry Orpwood, a Christchurch a man well known in the hotrod world. I say was, because as the article went to print it was for sale.
Harry did an engine transplant from the original 1957 Lincoln 368 cu in V8, to a 289 Chev unit, so sounds as though it has had another engine since, as opinion seems to be the current engine is a Ford.

As NZ Classic Driver does not have a date stamp, I cant tell you the exact month or year, but it is about mid 2008.....No 24....the one with the yellow Cord on the cover.

[Shoreboy57]

This is the 64 G P meeting.

What a field of legends - drivers and cars. The stories that could be told from that one group alone

[woody]

The 65 G P meeting.

[woody]

This from the 66 G P meeting.

[John McKechnie]

Woody-these programs are absolutely fantastic, Aussies here-Jane and Geoghegan. Colin Lumsden, George Bunce again, Pointon, Who was nominated for 129 Mini Ford-was this Ted Thompsons Mini twincam? Morarri. What a sight these races must have been. Lots of Minis in 66, fields getting civilizes.

[Oldfart]

. What a sight these races must have been.

They all were

[woody]

66 Teretonga Tasman meeting

[woody]

From the 66 Wigram meeting.

[John McKechnie]

Any one got videos of these to post?

[woody]

Good prize money on offer!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Holmes]

Graham, these old programmes are amazing! We had a dedicated thread somewhere on here for this stuff, I should try and find it so these can be included. They make great reading!

[ged]

hi woody #60 t. hickey, fiat, this car may have been a topolino with t\c ford, or pushrod motor. but what i can remeber it was nicely presented. are there any photos out there of l nielsons mk 111 zephyr corvette,as i remember it was amajor mission just to start the car , switchs, taps, etc . memory is abit hazey

[woody]

This is Waimate 66.

[woody]

I think Lin had trouble with the blocks on the pedals. Went a lot better in the Mini.

[SPman]

Woody-these programs are absolutely fantastic, Aussies here-Jane and Geoghegan. Colin Lumsden, George Bunce again, Pointon, Who was nominated for 129 Mini Ford-was this Ted Thompsons Mini twincam? Morarri. What a sight these races must have been. Lots of Minis in 66, fields getting civilizes.The Ted Thompson Mini twin cam was an amazing piece of work - grafting the Ford block onto the Mini bottom end. Ted was totally deaf, wasn't he?
The Mullins' Cortina with the 2 litre Coventry Climax engine seemed like a good idea, but never seemed to perform as well as the 1600 Fords. Those programs bring back memories...I had a lot of them from Puke, 63-66, but an evil little nephew burned the contents of the boxes they were stored in, complete with all my Motormans, Road and Tracks, sound recordings, a lot of pictures, etc, when he wanted the tea chests to grow dope plants in in his bedroom! And he did this 3 weeks before I turned up at my sister's place to pick them all up!! Bastard!

[southspeed]

164341643516436164371643816439Some photos from the Vintage Racing Car class - Classic Speedfest, Teretonga 2013

[southspeed]

the Vintage Racing Car class - Classic Speedfest, Teretonga 2013
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[Steve Holmes]

Wow, these photos are just superb! Thanks for posting them. What is the green car #8 in post 90?

[Jac Mac]

Daimler Special-SP250 V8 motor, now owned by Paul Coory-Dunedin

[Michael Clark]

Tell us more about it!

[Jac Mac]

I have a photo somewhere with hood removed I think , but thats about all I know for now. Maybe someone has more pics taken in pits during meeting, I was not there, got busy checking out a proper mustang that weekend.[ Better than all those HMC clones:) ]

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks for the info on the Daimler Special Jac. Is it a newly built car for VCC? Or does it have history?

[southspeed]

More photos of the 1959 Daimler Special (Coory) I took over the weekend at Speedfest - Teretonga 2013
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[Jac Mac]

This pic was taken shortly after car was purchased, looks better for the de-chrome & loss of whitewalls16507

[Steve Holmes]

Wow, thats really cool! Who built it Jac?

Also, what was the Mustang you were playing with? Did Steve Ross bring out the PDL I?

[Jac Mac]

16536Paul did tell me but I cant remember, will be talking with him sometime in next few weeks, just have to remember to ask for more info!! Mustang in question has much more history than PDL! Owner was kind enough to allow us to crawl all over it taking pics & notes for one of the items on my tank list...used to be a bucket list, but bucket got too small... BTW, 'Dove of Peace' did a fly by @ Teretonga during the Sunday lunch break, one lucky SFOS driver getting a ride in the back seat at the time, had a brief chat with him prior to takeoff, think he had a few more butterflies than his race car ever generated:)

[Steve Holmes]

Damn, thats nice!

[southspeed]

To follow some photos of the Classic Saloon class at the Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 16th/17th February 2013
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[southspeed]

To follow some photos of the Classic Saloon class at the Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 16th/17th February 2013
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[southspeed]

To follow some photos of the Classic Saloon class at the Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 16th/17th February 20131657916580165811658216583

[southspeed]

Almost forgot to include a racer who has raced in the South Island for many years - Jim Little from Waimate
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[Shano]

The Charger sure is a good-looking car.

[southspeed]

To follow some photos of the F5000 class at the Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 16th/17th February 2013
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[southspeed]

F5000 class at the Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 16th/17th February 2013
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[southspeed]

F5000 class at the Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 16th/17th February 2013
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[southspeed]

Now a series of photos from the Formula Junior Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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[southspeed]

Formula Junior Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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[southspeed]

Formula Junior Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb - an amazing field of cars from all the great makers of the day - entries from NZ , Aust, UK, Scotland - a class from the past that has grown - 23 entries
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[southspeed]

Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2013 - Pre65 class
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[southspeed]

Formula Libre Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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[southspeed]

Formula Libre Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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[southspeed]

Formula Libre Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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[Kiwiboss]

[QUOTE=southspeed;25874]Classic Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2013 - Pre65 class
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PLEASE tell me im wrong but is that a bunch of modern BMW Minis at the back of the Pre 65 pack, surely this isn't a race!! must be just practice or at some other event? or is it safety cars? or are these late model Minis considered a classic at classic events down there? Im sorry but that pic just doesn't look rite.

Dale M

[southspeed]

I think the Minis were purchased after the Mini Challenge Series fell over, unsure who owns them (except Scott O'Donnell owns the black one). They raced each other not the Pre65's in the same race space. Sorry I suppose I could have photoshopped them out

[Jac Mac]

Maybe we should tell Dale that the Pre 65 field had just lapped the entire group of BMW Minis, just to make him feel better!!!:):rolleyes:.... actually that #65 car in third place looks like the Rodger Cunningham car, doesnt it run HMC as well?

[John McKechnie]

Where is the TRV Tuscan in pic 117, can anyone tell me?

[southspeed]

Yep #65 is Rodger. I think the club did very well, large fields and everyone was accommodated for - don't think many of the clubmans cars could be called classics yet races were provided for them as well - entry of just under 40 clubmans cars - not far from turning cars away as grid almost reached its allowed limit.

[Kiwiboss]

I think the Minis were purchased after the Mini Challenge Series fell over, unsure who owns them (except Scott O'Donnell owns the black one). They raced each other not the Pre65's in the same race space. Sorry I suppose I could have photoshopped them out

Look, im not trying to be a "smart ass"(though no doubt JacMac will have something to say) but has anyone down there ever been to a proper "Historic or Classic" racing meeting overseas like Philip Island, Monterey, Goodwood to see how these are actual RUN?????? Classic racing is NOT just about throwing in a left-over old tier one class just because they got no-were to race and then turning around and say HEY, fantastic event we had a LARGE classic field!! atleast Rodgers Mustang looks like it should be in there, Modern BMW Mini's and in the same race as Pre 65, what a JOKE.

Dale M

[Neville Milne]

I would guess that the examples quoted: Phillip Island, Monterey, and Goodwood have, by comparison with Teretonga, considerable budget sizes to play with. I have visited Goodwood several times and even as a spectator, it has priced itself out of MY realm; Monterey similarly. Goodwood in particular has a number of 'historic' entries that, to be kind, are somewhat questionable in their provenance!!
Given the somewhat more remote area and consequent, smaller fields to draw from at Teretonga, I can't find anything to criticize in the existence of less than purely HISTORIC fields.
I am sure that this is a problem faced by several smaller clubs; promotors and/or circuit owners.
Certainly, in a perfect world, mixed fields of 'moderns' and 'historics' is NOT ideal.........but the world is not perfect and if a compromise can be achieved that satisfies most competitors AND spectatotrs, then what's the harm?

[John McKechnie]

By mixing the 2 formats, the visual image is spoiled.
Remember the reaction in the British Touring Car racing when Volvo ran a station wagon?
As a competitor in the early 90s I was not satisfied when the Porsche 911 -which is a sports car,not a saloon car- were allowed to run in Classic Saloons.
A compromise is just that, another word for bending the rules.

[Jac Mac]

Where is the TRV Tuscan in pic 117, can anyone tell me?

Way out in front probably, :), no seriously John, dont think it raced in the Pre65 class races....probably just as well, some folk around here might complain!

[John McKechnie]

Jac Mac- our boy who does the mobility modifications was talking to me yesterday , and said you like to get it out and mix it with everybody and anybody. Word is it can show a few F5000 the way home.

[Steve Holmes]

Formula Libre Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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Wow! Is this the Ralt RT4 driven by Jacques Laffite in the 1982 Australian Grand Prix? I think it was owned by Bob Jane at the time. Isn't it amazing where these cars suddenly surface. Is it NZ owned or was it visiting for this event?

[southspeed]

That is the ex Laffite car as Steve stated. It is owned by Barry Leitch and has been for many years. It has been restored to race condition and looks a picture on and off the track. At the speedfest it had a problem and did not stretch its leg to its full potential. The other Ralt RT4 is owned by Garry Orton. I understand that Barry has fixed the problem with the car and both cars have been invited to appear at the opening of the new track at Cromwell over Easter weekend.
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[southspeed]

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[Jac Mac]

Jac Mac- our boy who does the mobility modifications was talking to me yesterday , and said you like to get it out and mix it with everybody and anybody. Word is it can show a few F5000 the way home.

That would be AB? Yes, JO is happiest at the wheel, golf perhaps being 2nd [ damned if I can see where the enjoyment is in that:)], & I think they would be pretty average F5000's! Its just a reasonably sorted package, was not always that way, handled like a feral cat the first time I drove it back about 04/05, you knew it was going to bite, the question was when! Once the causes of that were removed it became a joy to drive. So many of those causes were bad design of some components & previous owner modifications done without thought ( caliper mounts that caused the caliper to twist under load & chassis tube removal that caused rear suspension bind under load are just a couple of examples, funny thing is/was the more we brought stuff back closer to TVR OE examples the better it got.... and yes there are some other areas that would benefit from similar thinking- perhaps to the tune of ~1.5 seconds a lap.... cant do that though, the knockers would not be happy!)

[Steve Holmes]

1684516846
22 of these Formula Alantic cars can be accounted for in New Zealand with a the chance of a series being put together for them in the future

Wow, 22 cars! I'm blown away by that. Its rare to see anything more than 2 or 3 at most events. I guess the issue has been providing an event and making the effort to bring them all together at one time. But that would be quite something to see. I know Formula Atlantic/Pacific polarized people, they were either loved or hated after years of booming F5000 racing. But I always thought they were pretty cars that sounded fantastic. And they brought with them a new kind of race driver, usually younger drivers who were fearless and hugely spectacular.

[John McKechnie]

damned if I can see where the enjoyment is in that]
AB and I spent probably 2-3 hours talking about real early days - some would wonder what the enjoyment was in that.
Sounds like the TVR will give yours many more years of enjoyment - investigating and experimenting.
Anyway cant see you taking any notice of the knockers, wheres the fun in that?
Are you running it at Cromwell at Easter meeting at Cromwell?
What classes are they running there do you know?

[Jac Mac]

I have not done much stuff on TVR or others for last couple of years, mainly due to health reasons & subsequent catch up on other stuff as a result- still catching up! Biggest impediment to further improvements is the driver & the current custodian who are somewhat averse to further attention from the 'knocker' lobby...as you suggest it doesnt worry me:)
Not sure whether they got an invite to the Highland Park [Cromwell] opening or not, my understanding is that its invite only & they are concentrating on cars that have past NZ racing history, I know Stewy Q's old Flathead ford special has an invite, plus the current owner of my old MK2 OSCA Cortina also, with Allan Dick as curator at the museum I guess that he would have a fairly large 'shopping list' of potential invitee's..

[John McKechnie]

Jac-Mac- is Brian Crosbie, that well known Escort man from the early 70s .still around, and can he be contacted?

[Jac Mac]

Jac-Mac- is Brian Crosbie, that well known Escort man from the early 70s .still around, and can he be contacted?

Sorry, cannot help on that , suggest you contact DJMcD on this site, Donald was a regular contributor to autonews etc around that time & IIRC he penned an article on Brian & the TC Escort when he ran it in either a Silver Fern or Heatway rally.

[jim short]

Look, im not trying to be a "smart ass"(though no doubt JacMac will have something to say) but has anyone down there ever been to a proper "Historic or Classic" racing meeting overseas like Philip Island, Monterey, Goodwood to see how these are actual RUN?????? Classic racing is NOT just about throwing in a left-over old tier one class just because they got no-were to race and then turning around and say HEY, fantastic event we had a LARGE classic field!! atleast Rodgers Mustang looks like it should be in there, Modern BMW Mini's and in the same race as Pre 65, what a JOKE.

Dale M

Dale are you joking?Have the Southern folk ever ran a Classic Meet?? I am a smart ass and have been to most big tracks around the world,I actually feel sorry for some of these so called Muscle car owners ,example $ 2000 spent on fuel in a couple of days ?//lower the comp. and only be a sec. slower , The Cars are the Stares, what BS,John what is the differance between a Porsche and a Mazda Rx7 to run as a saloon,why arnt the world championship winning Jags included as a Muscle car??/ .In the 90s The Southen Festival of Speed had seventeen cars from the USA plus five from Aussie plus Hong Kong ect ,only two of them went North to run ,and each year they returned to the SI and what great events they were..Wigram what well run events they were ,and to be honest I have heard more than a couple of race hardend folk saying the Denny meet was not that good to agree rather sadens me .And as far as the cars are the Stars Rays list is out on its own{only my opinion,give me an old Buckler anytime than some shiny yank tank .

[Jac Mac]

And I did not have to say a word!:)

[Dave Silcock]

And neither did I, talk about arrogance!!

[John McKechnie]

And while you are talking Jags, Jim, dont forget Scott Wisemans E-type was also classified as a saloon for the Mercury and other races.I thought you would have bought that to my attention as well.
Definition of a saloon car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-type, 911,RX7
Definition of a sports car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-Type, 911, RX7
And in the 70s single seaters ran with sports car.
So lets have a race meeting where we get rid of all this class rubbish- Suzukis against Supertourers .Bucklers against F5000.
After all, they all have one thing in common-they are racecars.

[Oldfart]

,give me an old Buckler anytime than some shiny yank tank .

Get your cheque book out Jim, you could buy mine!:cool:

[jim short]

No I like the one on TM,a real one

[jim short]

And while you are talking Jags, Jim, dont forget Scott Wisemans E-type was also classified as a saloon for the Mercury and other races.I thought you would have bought that to my attention as well.
Definition of a saloon car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-type, 911,RX7
Definition of a sports car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-Type, 911, RX7
And in the 70s single seaters ran with sports car.
So lets have a race meeting where we get rid of all this class rubbish- Suzukis against Supertourers .Bucklers against F5000.
After all, they all have one thing in common-they are racecars.

John the ans. is the distance between the front screen and the rear screen, a Rx7 is a quater of an inch longer than the Porsche 911, the Mazda is Ok were the Porsche fails ,I suprised myself by knowing such a tecnichal mater when at the same time didnt realize all those cars you listed could actually run together,I will put it down to a lack of interest through growing old, but thanks for helping, I will make a note so as not to forget and as a thank you will send some fresh FIGJAM just made

[AMCO72]

Boys, just lets settle down here or things will get nasty, and we dont want that do we.

When Angus and I went the Sth Island a couple of years ago, fields that we struck down there were completely different to what we raced in up here. At Teretonga, my favourite track to drive on just incidentally, we had just about everything in the under 3L 'Classic saloon race....pre 65's, BMW E30, 300 HP Escort, Mini 7, Morris 1100, Alfa Romeo 1750, Daihatsu charade, Lotus Elan, Datsun 1600...... you name it , it was there.......because the organisers didnt receive enough entries in those classes for a grid, and we were all lumped together. I know all this is a bit different from some meetings where 900HP Porsches are pitted against Minis, but hey, I certainly competed against things I would never have raced with up in the Nth Island, and this is what happens when event organisers dont have the luxury of a big entry.
Everyone behaved themselves and we had a whale of a time. Even the 300 HP Escort behaved itself!!!!! I even managed to pass the Ford round the outside of the big sweeper, and we all know what a useless driver I am!!!!! Even managed to stage a dead heat heat with the 1100.......have it on film.
You either do this amalgamation thing or you dont have a race. I think I know which choice we would all prefer. I presume you were not joking John!!!!!!!!!
Anyway the Sth Island has always been a bit different.......'viva la differance'.........

[Oldfart]

No I like the one on TM,a real one

And what do you think my one is? I hope you are not leaping to conclusions! Swing front axle, de Joux body, narrow non alloy period wheels, supercharged 100e. (and a LOT cheaper).

[John McKechnie]

Gerald- your FIGJAM never goes amiss.
Always happy to find ways to stop you getting old.
Is it a family recipe passed down from father to son in the traditional way?.
Now getting back on track, tell us about G.Fogg and his performance with the MK 4 at the concourse around 1970-according to Motorman there was FIGJAM there also.
Or do we need a new thread for that and let this thread get back to Teretonga

[jim short]

Actually prefer that Austin Sports $16000

[RacerT]

Unfortunately most people don’t seem to get it about Historic and Classic racing!

The more ‘wrong’ cars you allow in to race, the more ‘right’ cars stay away next time!
O
ver and over again you hear that the promoter has had to let in non-confirming cars because numbers are down, when in reality taking a stand may be tough the first year, but would reap benefits in the years to come.

Short term gain for the promoter, but long term deficit in the fields in the future.
Most people want a level playing field in largely the correct field of cars that gives everyone their place in the structure.

There are some people who obviously don’t care about inequality and will just race, but the majority of us are like children who quickly cry “not fair, not fair!”, and end up taking the toys away.

[jim short]

Come on Amco .things were getting a bit quite,and we didnt all have your upbringing ,and by debating against each other it is fun ,just nothing after the sun goes down or sleep is hard to find

[jim short]

Unfortunately most people don’t seem to get it about Historic and Classic racing!

The more ‘wrong’ cars you allow in to race, the more ‘right’ cars stay away next time!
O
ver and over again you hear that the promoter has had to let in non-confirming cars because numbers are down, when in reality taking a stand may be tough the first year, but would reap benefits in the years to come.

Short term gain for the promoter, but long term deficit in the fields in the future.
Most people want a level playing field in largely the correct field of cars that gives everyone their place in the structure.

There are some people who obviously don’t care about inequality and will just race, but the majority of us are like children who quickly cry “not fair, not fair!”, and end up taking the toys away.

I thank God I am not one of the majority,I love the cars and the racing and take your cars away ,even on my own I enjoy driving on a race track,,

[AMCO72]

Ok we are getting way off track here so quick replys.
John it was JIM who was offering the fig jam.....at least I THINK that was what he was offering.

Jim, I never have anything after sundown EXCEPT things that help me sleep!

Back to John......the Mk4 Jaguar at the Easter rally at Rotorua......if that is what you are referring to......won everything, concours, gymkhana, and road trial.......pure beginers luck. Ask Dave Silcock....he was there......as was Jim, and as he said they were the greatest ever JDC rallys.

Racer T.......if the promoters had been tough at that event there would have been 3 cars on the grid in the 'Classic Saloons'.....but at least I would have been guaranteed a podium. A long way to go for a 3 horse race!

Lastly Jim again........as you know I stayed at school till I was 27, so even I managed to pick up something, if only how to write rubbish on TRS.

[Kiwiboss]

Racer T.......if the promoters had been tough at that event there would have been 3 cars on the grid in the 'Classic Saloons'.....but at least I would have been guaranteed a podium. A long way to go for a 3 horse race!

What Racer T is trying to say if you guys care to listen is, that you may have 3 cars at the first event, next year 6, the following 12(as proven at overseas H&C events) and on and on and because "actual" classic racers will see this happening they will come and GUESS WHAT, you will eventually have a real "actual Classic" race meeting.

But OOOOOH no we can't have that can we!! Modern BMW Minis in a Pre 65 race, you guys have friggen got me!! Whats next? calling a SI Supertourer round a "Classic" race meeting, yeah that sounds about rite.

Dale M

[John McKechnie]

It will be interesting to see what the fields and mix of cars are like for the invitation only meeting at Cromwell next weekend

[Kwaussie]

I am sure that you & kiwiboss will find something to moan about even though you have not entered or been invited.
This often happened at the Country Gents meetings at Wigram when we had many calls from NI racers wondering why they had not received an invite & offer of starting money to attend.
Nothing has changed!

[southspeed]

Here's Gerald and Angus in mixed company at the Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2011
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[jim short]

I was in Brammells office with Dave thirty years ago when some Poser who had not entered ,on seeing how many good cars had entered he decided he would enter his new Lambo? srry you are to late ,,but its a Lambo sorry not able to print yhe rest or Amco will growl me ,they took no prisners at the Country Gents in those days ,But what a Hui it was Jazz band ,hot meals all sorts. real champne,now my eyes are worn out,But well organized for real

[Kwaussie]

Classic meetings were born at Wigram.
I could not belive that all who came to the big party in the tent were greeted with a bottle of Champange.
Think I got back to the office about Tuesday!

[AMCO72]

Yes Jim I'm sure those Wigram Country Gents meetings were a HOOT. They were started by a couple of private school lads who between them owned half of Banks Peninsular and knew how to operate. They of course wanted to 'exercise' their type 35 Bugatti and Aston Martin DB3S cars legally, and of course the whole thing grew from there. They could AFFORD to be fussy. They couldnt have cared less if only they turned up. As you say, you are quite happy just being out doing skids by yourself, and so were they. Hiring the air-base was no problem as some of them had direct connections to the place.

But this has usually been the case in Motoracing.......it is the preserve of the well-to-do......usually. [bang bang.....me being shot down]

And dont talk to me about the 'After Match Function'. The feed we got served up at Teretonga was something else......real food, real southern hospitality, and they didnt try to fill you up on bloody bread rolls!!!!!!

[grelley]

I think the Teretonga meeting is a club meeting, not a "Classic Meeting" but with a Classic Theme. Perhaps if Dale Mathers is so concerned about the type of entries at Teretonga he could organise a large group of HMC cars to visit the South Island. Interisland travel is possible. Ask the South Islanders who travel to HD each year. I am sure the race promoters would be very pleased to have them.

[Jac Mac]

Oh well, I suppose Dale wont be coming down for any of that southern hospitality in the future, :) just as well, it will save me having to explain why he has to race his 'Hot Rodded' 350+ cu in Boss 302 clone in with all the other hot rods like Brendans Camaro & JO's TVR, or perhaps they might just let him race with those pesky BMW minis......................... Now back to the pics from the meeting which I started this thread for, southspeed, have you got any pics from the rear of the TVR, that should at least make Dale feel comfortable as its the view he usually see's of it!

[Dave Silcock]

Amco, I suggest you keep quiet about stuff of which you know nothing. The Country Gents movement was actually the brain child of one Harland Baker who at the time owned Huka Lodge. The first meeting was a sprint held on the road into the lodge. Harland and Allan Bramwell were mates and Bramwell decided this was a good thing as at that time the was nowhere you could run a classic or motor cycle or even a Porsche or Ferrari other than the odd one make club meetings. The Club was made up of friends of Bramwell's and the two gentlmen you mentioned were but just two of many. To give you some idea of the make up ; the two Bain brothers, Ewen Sarggison, Leon Witty, Bill Clark, Willis Brown, myself and a few more. A fair mix I would say and certainly not silver spoon as you are trying to infer. The first meeting in mid 1970's I think, was held at Ruapuna and a proper rental was paid. When this was denied to us by the actions of MSNZ, or whatever it was then, we were invited to Wigram. The Air force provided the man power and took the gate takings, which they then donated to charity. We ,the club never advertised the event as we had no interest in wether people came to watch or not the Air Force did all that. The events were fully financed by the competitors entry fees. It was so easy to do, estimate the likely numbers, get quotes for the marque and the catering, alcohol etc and divde that figure by the number of entries and that was the fee. We ran these hugely popular events untill 1995 despite MSNZ best efforts to shut us down. After this Bramwell decided to retire and there did not seem to be the will to carry on. I resigned some time after this as for no particular reason nothing was happening. And no it had nothing to do with the fatality we had.

[AMCO72]

Thanks Dave......I knew I would get shot down by someone who was there and would set the record straight.

[southspeed]

Jac-Mac (as requested)
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Bit gun shy to post any more from the 2013 meeting - sorry my pre65 photo caused such a clash on the forum!!!

[Steve Holmes]

No way! Keep them coming, I'm really enjoying them. The fact is, people have different opinions on what should or shouldn't be accepted at historic race meetings, or indeed what actually constitutes a historic race meeting. There is probably no right or wrong answer to this, just different opinions.

[southspeed]

OK will sort some out later - racing cars class and the Sports Cars class with the dreaded TVR still to come. Not sure about posting the clubmans class - are they allowed at a classic meeting?????????????????

[Jac Mac]

OK will sort some out later - racing cars class and the Sports Cars class with the dreaded TVR still to come. Not sure about posting the clubmans class - are they allowed at a classic meeting?????????????????

I started the thread...its fine with me, after all the clubman guys will probably become the classic/hysteric racers of the future, why not give em a bit of encouragement with a few pics, their class was oversubscribed from what I hear, some competitors had to wait until some other cars dropped out with problems before they could get a race start.

[grelley]

Southspeed,did you you get any photos of the Mustang P51 flyover. Also some photos of the Historic Touring cars?

[fullnoise68]

I think the Teretonga meeting is a club meeting, not a "Classic Meeting" but with a Classic Theme. Perhaps if Dale Mathers is so concerned about the type of entries at Teretonga he could organise a large group of HMC cars to visit the South Island. Interisland travel is possible. Ask the South Islanders who travel to HD each year. I am sure the race promoters would be very pleased to have them.

Shit it doesn`t take much for the claws to come out! What you guys don`t seem to get it is that HMC is not anti South Island, we are trying to establish a group of `period correct' muscle cars that can run at Classic or Historic meetings, wherever they may be held, not only for the enjoyment of the drivers, but also for the punters, who if judging by the interest in the HMC cars at the Denny Hulme Festival, are very keen on what we are doing. When we get Rodger Cunningham coming all the way from Invercargill up to HD with his Mustang, it seems that he also `gets' what we are trying to do . Who knows within the next couple of years we could very well all come down to one or two of the southern tracks which would be good, but can we at least get up and running first, and not get shafted by self serving promoters, other events date clashes, and probably most of all, the tall poppy syndicate. Then you may have some more videos and photos of southern meetings which I thought this thread was about!

[southspeed]

Southspeed,did you you get any photos of the Mustang P51 flyover. Also some photos of the Historic Touring cars?
yes and yes - have yet to post both

[DJMcD]

Jac-Mac- is Brian Crosbie, that well known Escort man from the early 70s .still around, and can he be contacted?

I think BJ Crosbie resides in Christchurch son Shane is still around Teretonga, saw him at Evolution Motorsport Classic meeting.

[John McKechnie]

DJMcD- thanks for this bit of info, a very good man there is now following this up for me.

[southspeed]

The Cadillac of the Sky - P-51 Mustang fighter plane - Pilot Robert Borrius- Broek and passenger Stephen Grellet (co-pilot) provide the lunchtime entertainment on Sunday. Both were drivers/competitors in the Jesco Historic Touring Car class at Teretonga over the weekend. Sundays programme was altered to accommodate this flyby. Below are photos of them both on track and several of them over the track.
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[Grant Ellwood]

Did Robert Broek race a Cosworth YB (2 litre) Formula Pacific in the mid 90s? It would have been the period when Pacifics were added to the back of the Formula Holden field if it is the guy I'm thinking of.

[kiwi285]

Jac-Mac (as requested)
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Even on a bad day - way out in front.

Bit gun shy to post any more from the 2013 meeting - sorry my pre65 photo caused such a clash on the forum!!!

Hi,

Have sent you a PM

Cheers Mike

[Kiwiboss]

I think the Teretonga meeting is a club meeting, not a "Classic Meeting" but with a Classic Theme. Perhaps if Dale Mathers is so concerned about the type of entries at Teretonga he could organise a large group of HMC cars to visit the South Island. Interisland travel is possible. Ask the South Islanders who travel to HD each year. I am sure the race promoters would be very pleased to have them.

Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way. If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”.

Back to historic racing, i would really luv to see a proper Historic Saloon group down south at a proper classic race meetings so we could bring our HMC cars to race, this would be a great spectate and Roger(Cunninghame) has started the ball rolling by making his Mustang MSNZ T&C/HMC legal so please you guys down there with common sense, get in behind and support him, but not with modern ring-ins no matter how small the field, it would soon grow.

Dale M

[Dave Silcock]

Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way. If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”.

Back to historic racing, i would really luv to see a proper Historic Saloon group down south at a proper classic race meetings so we could bring our HMC cars to race, this would be a great spectate and Roger(Cunninghame) has started the ball rolling by making his Mustang MSNZ T&C/HMC legal so please you guys down there with common sense, get in behind and support him, but not with modern ring-ins no matter how small the field, it would soon grow.

Dale M

Dale, I think you are begining to show signs of delusions of granduer. What makes you think that unless we join up to your idea, we are not classic racers? It may surprise you to know that not every one worships at the agriculturely built American V8 [don't they all sound the same] so called muscle car? I would be hard pressed to go to a meeting that was dominated by such badly built vehicles. Now show me a Colonge Cari or a 635 BMW or the ex Fahey FVA Escort and I'll line up at dawn. I saw a 30 CSL BMW Bat Mobile in Malaysia once and spent nearly an hour just looking at it. If I came across any old Mustang would I not be looking at a Falcon and with the same apalling level of engineering? You are starting to remind me of the great Smoky Yunich who once famously said that Indianapolis shoul d be restricted to American drivers, engines and cars. Can't have foriegners coming over and make us look stupid can we? It may interest you to know, and given my advancing years, I may be wrong, But in the almost 20 years we ran Country Gents I don't think we ever had an American car compete and we had to turn entrants away every year. In fact you V8 people remind me quite a lot of Harley people, long on image and very short on engineering excellence.

[Russ Noble]

Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way.If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”

Yep, and since it is a South Island meeting, all the South Islanders who are drivers, spectators or organisers, know what they are getting and by far the majority are happy and keep coming back. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet! The North Islanders also know what they are getting and some choose to partake and some don't. What's so wrong with that?

[jim short]

Any more abuse from you South Island folk and us North Island gents will go down to Wellington and cut the power cable and see how you get on then

[Steve Holmes]

Dale, I think you are begining to show signs of delusions of granduer. What makes you think that unless we join up to your idea, we are not classic racers? It may surprise you to know that not every one worships at the agriculturely built American V8 [don't they all sound the same] so called muscle car? I would be hard pressed to go to a meeting that was dominated by such badly built vehicles. Now show me a Colonge Cari or a 635 BMW or the ex Fahey FVA Escort and I'll line up at dawn. I saw a 30 CSL BMW Bat Mobile in Malaysia once and spent nearly an hour just looking at it. If I came across any old Mustang would I not be looking at a Falcon and with the same apalling level of engineering? You are starting to remind me of the great Smoky Yunich who once famously said that Indianapolis shoul d be restricted to American drivers, engines and cars. Can't have foriegners coming over and make us look stupid can we? It may interest you to know, and given my advancing years, I may be wrong, But in the almost 20 years we ran Country Gents I don't think we ever had an American car compete and we had to turn entrants away every year. In fact you V8 people remind me quite a lot of Harley people, long on image and very short on engineering excellence.

Ha ha ha, thats a great post Dave, I really enjoyed reading that! To be fair, I don't think Dale was trying to suggest there is anything superior or special about old US race cars. He was more so referring to the idea of a group of old cars all being built to the same regulations specifically to be period correct, as is seen in many countries outside of NZ. Many other countries have a standardised set of regulations to bring saloon cars together to be period correct, and using as many original parts as possible. For example, Australian Group Nc historic regulations are a set of standardised rules that are in place all over Australia. Therefore, if someone in Queensland builds a '69 Mustang, or whatever, he knows if he takes his car to a NSW or Victorian historic racing event, the other cars he lines up with will have been built to the same rules as his car. Thats all HMC is, a standardised set of regulations that people around NZ are adopting for building over 3 litre racing sedans.

[AMCO72]

Actually Jim, I think it is the other way round........they, the Mainlanders, supply power to us hungry Nth Islanders, so just put your machetti away thank you!!!!!!!!

[Jac Mac]

Actually Jim, I think it is the other way round........they, the Mainlanders, supply power to us hungry Nth Islanders, so just put your machetti away thank you!!!!!!!!
Aw, Gerald you spoilsport, Just when Jim was going to do something constructive you stop him in his tracks!!! I was just starting to envisage all you NI folk rubbing two sticks together to boil the jug for your Latte's...:)

[jim short]

Amco you should thank God or in your case Buda that you are not a fish...Gee hope this is not off topic again

[AMCO72]

Jim, I have used so much fishoilene on my rusty English cars over the years that I sometimes smell like a ripe Snapper!!!!!

This Nth verses Sth thing is intriging. I was born and bred in Christchurch, still have ties down there, and so I still think of myself as a Mainlander. So when the racing fraternity starts debating about the relative merits of their turf I am torn between to two.

What a lot of racers down south see, is groups of cars from the north, HMC, formula juniors, F5000 etc etc getting loaded into containers, dropped on the deck of some rusty tramp steamer with the name 'Rena' on the bow, and whisked off to Oz for some flash race meet, and yet they cant seem to be able to make the journey to the south island meetings.

However what is coming across loud and clear here is that the fields are so mixed down sth that the controlled groups from the nth dont get racing like with like.On the other hand we dont want Classics to end up with 'level playing fields' like ST's etc and take all the fun out of what is usually entertaining racing.

Yes I'm sure this is way off topic Jim, but every few posts we get drawn back into topic with some gorgeous photos of cars competing in Mainland events.

[jim short]

Who cares .a very stimulating {coundent spell bloody??} reply,.Thank God we are all different ,a bit like Norfolk Isl. they are 50 yrs behind,{well 20yres. ago} as long as we like or love our cars for what THEY are and not like what they can do for us {Posers} we are just one big family, and beware of FIGJAM it can be upseting when decifered{sorry all you experts}

[AMCO72]

Gee, youve got me this time Jim. I used to pride myself in being able to 'decifer' your email messages, but this one has me beat. Clearly you are not talking about Fig Jam....2 words....but FIGJAM????????.

Quick, someone post some pictures so we can get off this subject.

[southspeed]

Ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A batch from the Historic Touring Car class - Teretonga Park - SpeedFest - February 2013
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[southspeed]

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[southspeed]

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[southspeed]

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[southspeed]

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[Jac Mac]

Was just going back thru the pics & more thread pertinent posts,

#50, the Topolino engine is definitely a Lincoln Y-Block, they were built in 279/302/317/332/341/368 cid sizes all in the same architecture ( have a 317? here in the shed )

#66, DJMcD, not sure if you were refering to me, but Tony Mann Victor ( Kermit Green) is the Alec Dickie built, Gary Jenkins, ???, Ross Cameron car, might be a couple of other owners I have missed there.

[Steve Holmes]

Historic Touring Car class - Teretonga Park - SpeedFest - February 2013
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Now THAT is a really impressive site! Congratulations to the team there for bringing together such an impressive field.

[southspeed]

Photos to follow - Sports Cars - Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2013
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[southspeed]

Sports Cars - Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2013
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[southspeed]

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[southspeed]

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[markec]

If you look at photos from the recent Phillip Island meeting, advertised and run as an Historic car meeting, you will find interesting fields of well mixed and matched classes running together. I grew up through the V8 era, started like many with Hotrodding, evetually went on to help on the ex Dawson Z28 among other cars, while the V8 holds a special interest, I lean now towards the more subtle, sofisticated, better performing Eurropean and now Japanese cars. I believe tuning the best performance out of less power but better handling cars gives much more satisfaction.Not to say a good grid of V8's won't get the adrenalin flowing.
http://www.sportscardigest.com/phillip-island-classic-2013-report-and-photos/2/

[southspeed]

Racing Car class - Speedfest - Teretonga Park - 2013
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[southspeed]

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[southspeed]

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[southspeed]

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[fullnoise68]

Dale are you joking?Have the Southern folk ever ran a Classic Meet?? I am a smart ass and have been to most big tracks around the world,I actually feel sorry for some of these so called Muscle car owners ,example $ 2000 spent on fuel in a couple of days ?//lower the comp. and only be a sec. slower , The Cars are the Stares, what BS,John what is the differance between a Porsche and a Mazda Rx7 to run as a saloon,why arnt the world championship winning Jags included as a Muscle car??/ .In the 90s The Southen Festival of Speed had seventeen cars from the USA plus five from Aussie plus Hong Kong ect ,only two of them went North to run ,and each year they returned to the SI and what great events they were..Wigram what well run events they were ,and to be honest I have heard more than a couple of race hardend folk saying the Denny meet was not that good to agree rather sadens me .And as far as the cars are the Stars Rays list is out on its own{only my opinion,give me an old Buckler anytime than some shiny yank tank .

Dale, I think we could make an exception here and change our motto to `adventure before dimentia' because obviously Mr Short has a bad case of the latter. Where in any of the threads does it state $2000 fuel in two days - I`m sure it was over two, three day weekends, I should know as I paid for it. Lower the compression? What a joke.His authority amuses me. He`s not a smart ass, he`s a spectator who likes telling people how fast he thought he was and nothing more. If his ignorance doesn`t allow him to understand HMC and what it`s about, that`s fine. Everyone, including him, has an opinion, and I just voiced mine.

[wynna7]

Dale, I think we could make an exception here and change our motto to `adventure before dimentia' because obviously Mr Short has a bad case of the latter. Where in any of the threads does it state $2000 fuel in two days - I`m sure it was over two, three day weekends, I should know as I paid for it. Lower the compression? What a joke.His authority amuses me. He`s not a smart ass, he`s a spectator who likes telling people how fast he thought he was and nothing more. If his ignorance doesn`t allow him to understand HMC and what it`s about, that`s fine. Everyone, including him, has an opinion, and I just voiced mine.

Well said Full Noise.

LH

[Carlo]

Obviously they are a couple of you on here that have not been there and done that.

[paul lancaster]

Nice pics thanks southspeed, does anyone have any from levels Sfos 2013?