Jims Jaguar Thread

[Oldfart]

Created especially.

[jim short]

Please note ONLY those Man enough to use their real no mater how funny it is name allowed on this hallowed site ..Thanking you in advance

[AMCO72]

Ah well, thats me out.......

[jim short]

No a couple of special visitors providing they vet OK will be ok but smelly names never!!

[Russ Cunningham]

A special thread! Q. What is a MK2 Jum?

[AMCO72]

I think you may have stumped Jum, Russ. Just give him time to look it up in his album. I'm sure the answer is on the tip of his tongue.
Seeing as I am not welcome on here, I am going to be as obnoxious and as obtuse as I possibly can..... You say whats new.....well I can tell you, you ain't seen nothin !!!!!!

[Russ Cunningham]

AMCO72! Sounds like a familiar song. You hum it and I'll say the words.

Really don't mean to stump Jum. It's just where I come from a MK2 could mean a Ford, A jag or a ?

[Rod Grimwood]

Russ, don't forget the Escort (MK1's were the real ones though)

[Oldfart]

Hey Rod, this is Jums Jag thread ..NO Frods, I know they bought jag later on but.. Whoops I am not welcome here either.

[jim short]

guess who is not getting invite to fishing trip with free booze and eats???

[jamie]

What A lot bulshit, fine peices of POMEY art Mk 7 for ever Mk 1 2.4 to save fuel

[jim short]

Now Jammie lets keep this site as an example to others and no course coorse ,no bad words {bu...t}

[Trevor Sheffield]

Ah well, thats me out.......

---- and i'm in.:D

[jamie]

Sorry Jim I forget ?? Is Mk 1 2.4 and Mk 7 JAGUAR Swearing I have 2 Mk 7 1952 man 1956 auto the 56 I hah A hot 3.8 that was A wepon pity the brakes dident work as well as the motor we towed the race car all over NZ . the Mk 1 2.4 we had an XJ 6 head and carbs 4 speed man but again only drum brakes .Have got photos of the Mk7 going round BAY PARK and the Mk1 2.4 on Rupuna HE HE

[jim short]

Jammie as I am so honerd and as we speak the same words I really didnt expect to have an epitoph untill RIP on the headstone , so just as Sir William looked ahead so must we as in your case you stand towards the front at BP in early seventies the vision of a grey Mk 7 a tall driver with a Pall Mall hanging from his lips about to drop into the motor interals welding a large cresent tightning the wheelnuts ,a man who has a trophy I would place at the top of all others, allso who has benifited motor racing by providing future motorrace suporters Gocarts today who knows tomorrow,And may I add how many others on here had the helpfull advice from Bruce as to why the Austin 7 decided to jump into the padock on the hillclimb??

[jamie]

Thank you Jim

[Russ Cunningham]

Jammie as I am so honerd and as we speak the same words I really didnt expect to have an epitoph untill RIP on the headstone , so just as Sir William looked ahead so must we as in your case you stand towards the front at BP in early seventies the vision of a grey Mk 7 a tall driver with a Pall Mall hanging from his lips about to drop into the motor interals welding a large cresent tightning the wheelnuts ,a man who has a trophy I would place at the top of all others, allso who has benifited motor racing by providing future motorrace suporters Gocarts today who knows tomorrow,And may I add how many others on here had the helpfull advice from Bruce as to why the Austin 7 decided to jump into the padock on the hillclimb??

I'm a fairly young chap so please explain? What is a Austin 7? Is Bruce the same Bruce Bayliss from down our way?

[jim short]

Sorry Russ i should explain ,Austin 7 was a 15hands high chestnut hack {horse} Jammie was driving a heard of black and white beaf cattle back home from his Dads runoff as most farmers had back those days.Bruce McLaren of McLaren Racing was testing his new Norton 750 in an attempt to understand why a car will nosedive under braking wher a motor bike does not..As I am shure you can imagine why the horse jumped the fence

[jamie]

Jim are you on your inkhol Again Young wet behind the ears Russ C thanks for the back up so sorry this happend befor ypu were hatched

[jim short]

Jammie those pills have almost worn off perhaps you can enlighten {j&j} Russ and me as to the last ans .even I am confused up to you my old mate

[Oldfart]

9209I think I might be allowed for this

[jamie]

Hi Jim Yes the Austin 7 was an Ulster that was built up over my years from when I was 14 to 16 years old it had twin carbs big cam ect and A4 speed close raito gear box .I put it off in to the gully on the little stright on Chamblin Rd as I was climb out of the blackberrys Bruce Mc and his dad Les were standing on the edge of the road asking if I was ok when I asked What the hell happned they said that the front shock asober was too loose and to tighten it up never had that prob againe and also became good frends with Bruce and Les I hope that explains some of your questions you would in the land of the POMS Russ The home of Austin 7 and Jaguar ??

[jim short]

So what hapened to the horse??

[jim short]

Thanks Rhyes{ ha ha} nice shot

[Oldfart]

Now just to make us both happy Jim, I had an email earlier today from Malcom Buckler.
The works De Dion rear suspension was an optional extra and so expensive that most UK customers opted for the cheaper version with live axle, 4 trailing links and a Panhard rod, which worked very well, except perhaps with exceptional power. The Buckler De Dion rear end which included a Watts linkage was also heavier, so not suited to 1172 Formula cars.



I had the cheaper design arrangement on my 1500 cc DD2 which pushed out 140 bhp and managed OK except that I had to be a tad careful with the throttle around left hand bends or it would lift a wheel. I had once had a DD2 with a Jag 3.4 litre and De Dion and that really sat down well under power.
Regards Malcolm

Now that would have made the Paton look .....

[jim short]

No doubt this new site has interesting topics as one would expect ,hope Russ is keeping up with the play .Now a Buckler with a Jag mt To be honest not sure ,quite a heavy engine ,per haps Jammies Cooper Jag may be similar.I do know the Archibald was no match for the Paton thanks to corners 1983 Ardmore reunion Rob Whitehouse XK tried blocking in the handicap. but ran around him at Champion and we well I was laughing at his suprise {fun} The Paton as Bob will tell only had 80bhp as when Geoffrey borrowed mtr for his pre 65 Lyne Rogers stated bog standard head would not produce anymore At the Hamilton Street race some yrs, later the 150bhp plus mtr was installed ,and the car turned the tables on a for ever getting quicker Gineta and ran awayto win including a 360 spin between the kerbs Due to back problems I never got to sample it but doubt if anything would head it of,, certanly be interested .

[GeebeeNZ]

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Jim I dont know if you have any time for MG Midgets/Healey Sprites but you have to be impressed by this one. If only the engine bay in mine looked like that.
Graeme

[jim short]

I have a Aussie Sports Car World mag that had a D Type mtr in a bug eye sprite!!! was rather fast sideways as well as straight ahead!!!

[jim short]

Adding on to previous post that Hamilton street race was the same meeting Gerrys son put the Amco Mini on its roof fighting into the roundabout just in front of me ,so I went and cheered him up by telling him how I almost wrote off the syndicate RSR with its comming together with a 400 plus hp escort on the first lap at the GP meet with the other 4 partners sitting in the grandstand getting a birds eye view,thinking back how young they seemed to be then these boys of ours!!

[Russ Cunningham]

No doubt this new site has interesting topics as one would expect ,hope Russ is keeping up with the play .Now a Buckler with a Jag mt To be honest not sure ,quite a heavy engine ,per haps Jammies Cooper Jag may be similar.I do know the Archibald was no match for the Paton thanks to corners 1983 Ardmore reunion Rob Whitehouse XK tried blocking in the handicap. but ran around him at Champion and we well I was laughing at his suprise {fun} The Paton as Bob will tell only had 80bhp as when Geoffrey borrowed mtr for his pre 65 Lyne Rogers stated bog standard head would not produce anymore At the Hamilton Street race some yrs, later the 150bhp plus mtr was installed ,and the car turned the tables on a for ever getting quicker Gineta and ran awayto win including a 360 spin between the kerbs Due to back problems I never got to sample it but doubt if anything would head it of,, certanly be interested .

Jim! I'd love to be able to keep up but It's all too much for a young bloke like me. I came from a very poor family and never even went to school. In act we were so poor that if I did'nt get a hard-on in the morning, I'd have nothing to play with for the rest of the day. To add insult to injury! as a child I was rather parculiar looking and the neighbours cat covered me up in the sand pit - ever since then I've had a fear of large pussies.

[Russ Cunningham]

On reflection! that large pussy may have been a Jaguar.

[woody]

Russ, Did you cut the bottom out of your pockets like I used too.

[Russ Cunningham]

Russ, Did you cut the bottom out of your pockets like I used too.

Woody!!! You don't improve with age, do you?

[jim short]

No I doubt if it would be a Jaguar I have on good authourity {thanks Jammie} jaguars are quite fussy what they eat

[jamie]

GO JIM!! I think Russ would be to tuogh not much meat on thoes bones and grape juce for blood Jamie

[Russ Cunningham]

Yeah right, Jamie! In the middle of another transfusion as we speak. A very good year, nice nose, touches of smoked wood with just a hint of black pepper. Few more transfusions and I'll be nicely marinated.

Is it true that in Rotorua people refer to you as the Naked Chef?

[GeebeeNZ]

This site takes a lot of time. Somewhere in my collection of poorly labelled old Videos I have a copy of that Hamilton race but sadly after a long search couldnt find it. One day.

[bob homewood]

Russ I thought it was the naked gun

[jim short]

I am at a loss/ how is it posible to downcrowd a thread what started out so pure bloody Russ again naked .black peper what gives ??Lets get with it ,, The Rat walks out on ST?/ foggy got stood on by that bloody chesnut horse,, so many cards and letters wanting to be part of t his forum leaves me no option than like the Govment back down,,OK . OK any one can now partake in this Jaguar site, but if pos lets talk Jaguars ,,when did we first see a jaguar what model was it???

[markec]

You have to remember Jim that Russ's blood is closer to Prune juice during part of the week,the blood runs away from the brain during these time and the verbal diarrhea runs along with the anal variety.

[jamie]

Ok Jim the first JAGUAR Ihad anything to do with was an old SS100 ssssittingout in the open in Papatoetoe in the late 50s nearley owned it but not to be Jamie

[jim short]

Jammie I take it that it was a two seater,I dont know how many ever came to NZ I think Dave had a 90 ,My oldest recollection is of a mint silver mk.5 owned by a chemist in Waiuku ,was parked out side his shop every day ,I thought it rather ugly .strange how time changes opinions,the car we all dreamed of was the XK120 a rich farmers son had a silver one and most Thursday nights the Otaua running and cycling club held a meeting at Massey Park and he would turn up and Park in a prominent place I dont think he took part in the races ,but I would stand in the shadows and watch him start it ,just loved that car ,when the only car we had was a 1929 Model A tourer ,that must have been 1952?? the next memory I have a couple of yrs. later I was the proud owner of a motorcar a 1932?? Austin 7 we nicknamed it Blossy heading out Waipipi way flat out at around 30 to 40mph when in the mirror the front of a XK120 appeared,I held him up for close to 3 miles before it was safe to pass ,he even waved to me, I think it was a wave this was before rude drivers came along but to ever own one was years away,then my first ride in one 25yrs later only as a pasenger back from Ohakuni dust in my eyes ect.not how I had dreamed!! Still love the shape

[jamie]

Hi Jim yes it was A 2 seater with no bodywork on it dad was keen to put A Chow body on it so he mesured it up 6 cylinder motor over head vavle but the tosser would not part with it at the price we could afford as far as I know it went to the tip in HILL Rd Papatoetoe Jamie

[Russ Cunningham]

You have to remember Jim that Russ's blood is closer to Prune juice during part of the week,the blood runs away from the brain during these time and the verbal diarrhea runs along with the anal variety.

Mark! I know you're a close friend of Jims but ease up unless you want your house torched! ( I've got a new halogen one)

[woody]

Mark, Should it have been "certain time of the month" Russ's blood ???????????

[jamie]

Oh Russ I supose you are on the leval as you dribble out of bouth sides of your mouth at once Por old pom this cold weather will remind you of home ??probly not not enufh RAIN

[jim short]

Russ you can move your desk up closer to the front for the {halogen} we need more

[jamie]

Ji it is time to por old Russ A brake? that sprite with the JAG motor in it would be A bit of fun looks like A neet job

[jim short]

Jammie Do you remember the Ferrari Jag Ferris built I have it on good authority that he built another one ,blue in colour with a 2.4 Jaguar motor .was owned by a Pom something to do with Gaults,I myself have never heard of it, but that means nothing,and I dont think it was hillclimbed!!!

[jim short]

After checking back with those involved with Ferris ,such as Kevin Lamb he built his Vangard powered coupe ,he and Ferris s Dad towed the Ferrari racecar with a rope from Rons down the motorway to home Mayos lengthend the chassis ,that in turn had to be strengthend. and when at the end it was towed to Wellington and the body cut off before Bain received it. Ferris raced a Buckler and his Holden coupe at Ardmore .The women entrant sadly he was not succesfull with her,the Alfa GTO can be had for close to $10,000 in its present state{wish I was younger}

[Russ Cunningham]

After checking back with those involved with Ferris ,such as Kevin Lamb he built his Vangard powered coupe ,he and Ferris s Dad towed the Ferrari racecar with a rope from Rons down the motorway to home Mayos lengthend the chassis ,that in turn had to be strengthend. and when at the end it was towed to Wellington and the body cut off before Bain received it. Ferris raced a Buckler and his Holden coupe at Ardmore .The women entrant sadly he was not succesfull with her,the Alfa GTO can be had for close to $10,000 in its present state{wish I was younger}

Don't like the tone of this Jim. A little smutty!
Quote: "The woman entrant, sadly he was not successful with her." Unquote.
You add further smuttiness to this by adding that you "wish you were younger".
Do you have a photograph of this lady or contact details so markec can get in touch?

[ElCoyote]

Jammie Do you remember the Ferrari Jag Ferris built I have it on good authority that he built another one ,blue in colour with a 2.4 Jaguar motor .was owned by a Pom something to do with Gaults,I myself have never heard of it, but that means nothing,and I dont think it was hillclimbed!!!

Jimmmm, I have finally had enough.

Narain Karthikeyan would be considered "Jammy" to win a race, but Jamie (Not Jammie) won several on merit. Try not to hijack the fantastic site Steve has created. Please read and comprehend what those before you have written.

Still spitting tacks !!!!

[jim short]

I dont remember You being asked to speak on My site!!!!

[markec]

A female race car driver would probably be a little too frisky and quick for an almost past the middle age,male such as myself Russ. Anyone who is capable of a speed greater than can be attained while hindered by an orthopedic boot, is too fast.

[jim short]

I guess there are times when those not in a position to understand but cant help themself from offering their opinion,but if only twice a month I guess it will dilapadate rather fast!!!

[Rod Grimwood]

Thats a big word Jim "dilapadate" you have been doing your studies and homework, keep it up and maybe you will be able to spell "Karthikeyan" by Xmas

[jim short]

What amazes me how perfect some think they are ,in my case I had no say my mum and dad called me James, over the years I have responed to James,, Jim,, Jimmy Jimmie Jammie Jammy Shorty Sir Mister and a few others,,I have never been called a DOG.. not even an American one..But no more off subject on here as stated this is about Jaguars please keep it so,, insults can go to Yarns and try to keep it about cars and by the way spitting is an offence in some countries

[Rod Grimwood]

OK Jim. This is your thread so, not a Jaguar, but found this. You are familiar with it. This was Roger at wings/wheels Whenuapai. Did you share this day.

[jim short]

No not Roger he was not in the partnership ,Keith Hall drove that day When we signed up it was stated ONLY one of the five will ever drive it Dont have a lot of faith in that group Roger only drove it at the Ardmore meeting at Puke 1983? The reason was well as you are driving the Paton in the sports car race and the Jaguar in the Saloons you will not have time to drive three cars!!!!Yea right ,Perhaps David would have given more than one line if I drove three fastest laps in three cars,but I have completly forgoten about it now, as I mean to say its over twentynine years three months and sixteen days ago. That race in the photo didnt Johnny Wilderburn drive his Holden Statsman, Tony in Mazda Ian in the Alfeta???

[Rod Grimwood]

Yep, thats Ralph behind in Viva, got more photos, this was in a local paper along with Lathrope and his Escort, and some other fellow in a Blue Anglia got a mention as well. (they had Roger as driver)

[jim short]

I have it on vidio i think,,I dont know why so many liked it there ,not a patch on Puke

[Rod Grimwood]

It was good fun in little car Jim cause you could just keep wondering out as the old girl stood up on three then two, nice big runways to play on. That bit down the back, the big boys were jumping from one side of runway just about to other were the runways crossed, it was fast. Watched Algie and Rutherford air under the car, looked good. I just felt a bump as i went over reading my book and eating packed lunch.
Right, Puke was a real track so bit more attention needed, and a smaller lunch.
Know back to thread, there were alot of Jaguars there that day, you got any photos etc.

[jim short]

No photos but will hunt up the tape , I think this was the day after my girls wedding and I was not meant to be there ,bit hazy on meetings there I ran at a few, I remember the one my back was real bad no mater how many pills {must not mention that otherwise Jamie wiil inkspot me} anyhow At Puke Angus Hyslop {who I never met} was a bit narked that my Jag passed his Lotus Cortina to place second to Archibald.The next year it was at the airport and he had built up a Jaguar with all the gear three carbs ect parked beside me with bonnet up .in the race he was up and gone ,pluss a lot of cars that never got close to me were also way ahead then it may have been the wedding and to be up market we had three Mk 2 Jag wedding cars.Strange I enjoyed the street race were you could get real close to the walls, except once when I got to close!!

[Rod Grimwood]

Jim, bit worried about this pill thing. In the sand, off on to verge, trying to go around the outside, too close to wall, yet you still managed to finish occassionally in front of us. Maybe we need that Yank outfit to do you after they have finished with Armstrong. Now there's another connection "bikes". Mate you are becoming a worry, I did wonder back then.

[jim short]

Sorry I think I will need Jamie to help with this one ..a new code perhaps Never mind just watched blue angle car made a good start off 3rd row ..Man that Alfa sounded real good makes me regret not staying behind it at times

[Rod Grimwood]

I used to love the sound as they passed as well. Little car did start well ah.

[jim short]

I will try a copy for you as well not a lot but some of Algees red car are just great Briands Capri looked good as well

[Rod Grimwood]

Be good to get any old photos or videos etc of the little blue car, had some fun in it. Also the Escort if you find any.
Cheers Jim.
Still reckon best would be that Bay Park one when Rutherford hi jacked your camera, and then we went out and did skids which your young fella caught on camera. I think i have it on video so will try and get them transfered onto disc.

[jim short]

I think it was Taupo Rod when the last round and the diff that had raced at Puke ,long track rolling start and survived with a pinion tooth missing{not actually missing was kept in the toolbox}but didnt get to start as had pole in the wet on sat. Brett didnt turn up till Sun. morn. Stuart and Tony went from car to car recording ,who was the young chap in a Escort ?got a little shy!!!Pity havent found it yet

[jim short]

Back on track Dave has had problems with computer so must update the Blue car ,after modifacations to rear suspension and drive line another road test in the wet ,carful not to use all the power though 6000 in 3rd must be rather exciting, This motor does not purr as most jags do it bloody well growls !! what ever that means,Like it wants to eat you!! not sure but the clutch may be slipping ,hard to tell all very ridgedly mounted,but sitting back in the workshop all wet and dirty it looks lovelely I think he said it weighed in at 22cwt 8 less than normal!!! hard to believe they are getting shakes everyday still. just hope his car ant to blame

[jamie]

Hi Boys have recived from A frend 2 E/M on the Light Weight E typel Awsom stuf alloy blocks ect Jamie

[markec]

I will post them later Jamie

[Rod Grimwood]

jamie, its an interesting article,

[jim short]

Gee Jamie I was not awere Russ had a E Type

[jamie]

Hi gang to early in the morning?? Jamie I think Russ has A ford in his one

[markec]

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[markec]

The above article was taken from the book "Cat out of the Bag" by Peter D Wilson, who was a mechanic in the Competitions dept of Jaguar at Browns Rd from 1961 to 1966.

[markec]

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[jamie]

Thats the ones Markec I must lern how to put STUFH on the Roaring Season ?one of thoes motors in the back of SID Mk1 would have been gooo IE weight and horse power HE HE!! that would have rearley upset the V8 boys insted of just anoying them?? Jamie

[jim short]

Close to twenty years ago I watched Janes E going around Wanaroo. now Babagallow or something close .those Aussies alway mispell there racetracks.the car was owned by Peter Briggs and driven by Wilf Chambers ?? who raced a fast Mini Cooper the part I remember was the noise the tyres made even at a slow speed ,not sure how old they were Briggs owned the museam in York,that had the 300s maser plus Maybach no 3?? jazz music played in the background ,a real cool place then once a year they race around the street with only hay bales to keep the crowds safe!!!Briggs ran his blower Bently against cars that could fit under it,, no wimps over there!!

[Rod Grimwood]

Jim it is Barbagallo, Babagallow is were the crooks swung from. And Wanaroo is what a ruster looks for when he has been in the outbacks too long and can not find a sheep.

[jamie]

All this dirty Ausi talk what abought the Jag Jamie

[jim short]

Rod nine and nine tenths out of ten

[Rod Grimwood]

Jamie, the mind boggles at what might have been if you had got your hands on one of those engines.

[markec]

From the book "cat out of the Bag" by Peter D Wilson Jaguar employee
at Browns Road Competition Dept from 1961 to 1966.
the 6th photo is of the 3 Briggs Cunningham cars for Le Mans 1963.

The list of the 12 official Lightweight E Types Original Owners.

#1 John Coombs,sold to Red Rose Motors 1964.
#2 Briggs Cunningham.
#3 kjell Qvale.Disappeared til the 1990's
#4 CT "Tommy" Atkins.sold to Roger Mac 1964
#5 Peter Lidner.crashed written off, remains held by race
organisers,released 17 years later rebuilt by Lynx on a spare
monocoque.
#6 Peter Lumsden.
#7 Briggs Cunningham, Le Mans 1963
#8 Briggs Cunningham, Le Mans 1963
#9 Peter Sutcliffe.
# 10 Bob Jane ( Brysons Australia), sold to York Museum Western
Australia, after 1966
# 11 Dick Wilkins for a road car.
# 12 Phil Scragg, for hillclimbs and sprints.

#13 Sir Robert Ropner, Steel monocoque,Alloy top, doors, bonnet and
bootlid, cast iron block, road car.
@14 Pierre Bardinon (France) LHD, Steel fixed head coupe, Alloy
bonnet,Alloy block, wet sump.

# 14 was esentually a prototype,steel monocoque, iron block, ran 2nd
in class 1962 Le Mans,4th overall for Briggs Cunningham.

Lynx aquired all the spare Lightweight parts including two Alloy monocoques, 1 used for the # 5 rebuild as already shown, the other was built into a car using the spare parts. There is no history of this car known by me.

[jim short]

Just an update as the sun has come out!! daves blue jag has gone past 6000 in top and now striped back down before heading to Bonniville or so I understand

[Rod Grimwood]

Glad you have awoken Jim, I was going to send a squad down to make sure you were alright. (wasn't sure if some of those others may have dropped over to see you) 6 in top, thats getting it done. Will call later.

[Steve Holmes]

Just an update as the sun has come out!! daves blue jag has gone past 6000 in top and now striped back down before heading to Bonniville or so I understand

Bonneville???

[jim short]

Or Oriti al depends on sponsors

[Steve Holmes]

Ahhhhh, I see.

[John McKechnie]

This new Silcock Jag on the road is going to be confusing. I have trimmed 2 of these Silcock MK2s, and now more clones will be coming out of the woodwork.

[Dave Silcock]

This new Silcock Jag on the road is going to be confusing. I have trimmed 2 of these Silcock MK2s, and now more clones will be coming out of the woodwork.

That is interesting John, I wonder what cars they are? The one I have just finished, after 12 years of on and off work, is a new creation and not pretending to be anything other than a modified Mk 2.
Cheers Dave.

[jim short]

John be careful what you say !! to call any car Dave builds is no clone this one has taken 10 yrs to date plus to say you have done two this is HIS 2nd one!!! Just put your feet up and enjoy your smoke

[John McKechnie]

Hi Dave, Could result in a bun fight here. See you at HD in January .I will have photos of them..My comments on clones are "tongue -in -cheek". Always a great fan of you during Bank New South Wales period.

[jim short]

John did you race a TR ? some time back?? 70s??

[John McKechnie]

Hi Jim, As a teenager I raced a genuine Mini Cooper S-(DG2655) 1973-75, did Puke and Baypark. Wasnt allowed to drive all the way to Levin. Was an active member of the Triumph Car Club then.

[John McKechnie]

Had a TR7 convertible early 90s .

[Dave Silcock]

Hi Dave, Could result in a bun fight here. See you at HD in January .I will have photos of them..My comments on clones are "tongue -in -cheek". Always a great fan of you during Bank New South Wales period.

Hi John, No offence taken, you would not belive the number of people whow come in to my shop and ask '' what is this a copy or replica of?'' and when I say "of nothing" they say "oh what a pity I don't know if we want cars like this racindg in with us" so its a car I have built and thats the end of it. Looking forward to catching up with all you lot at HD wether the Blue car is there or not.
Cheers Dave.

[jim short]

John I had a feeling we raced on club track at the ACC sports cars championships in the 80s I think it was TR4 or5??

[John McKechnie]

Hi Jim, absolutely wasnt me, I was BMX racing 82-86, then paralysed and out of action for the rest of the 80s. Starts racing again in early 90s when I built up my 1965 Mustang Fastback.-now Dean Camerons.

[jamie]

Morning Dave this new Mk11 Sound,s like A real goer carnt wate to see it Jags for EVER ? no motor sounds like Jag at full throtal yehar Jamie A

[Dave Silcock]

Morning to you too Jamie, bloody cold down here mate. The new Mk2 is certainly a goer, far better than I expected, makes my supercharged XJ seem like a slug. The sound is unlike any Jaguar you have ever heard, but still, as my young lad who works for me would say 'Horndog'. Probably because it ends up in one 3'' pipe after a megaphone. The headers were designed by Burns Stainless. Will keep you up to speed on progress.
Cheers Dave.

[John McKechnie]

Hi Dave, Probably Allan Moffat has the same problem if he tries to change the oil in his own car.Hey Jim, as a Jag man on your Jag thread, do you want some details on a 1937 SS 1.5 I did last year.

[jamie]

John he will still be in bed as it gets verry cc Could in Tokora !! I am not the One who would like to see the SS Jag verry nearley owned one but that was A lott of years ago Jamie

[jim short]

Ok John sounds good do you have any matching seats for my Spyder under 500 wide and 600 high it has been off the road for several yrs ,now with 2 new knees I am able to get out of it just.. must look good when I stop it always stands out and this poor old guy strugling to climb out by the way I never said I was a Jaguar man I believe as any jag is top class some one considers me in the same light

[John McKechnie]

Hi Jim, what sort of Spyder- Alpha, Fiat, Porsche, Corvair-or regular Avondale? Seats can be made , have adjusted them for bad backs, and small women, never modified seats for new knees. .Seat tracks are not my department.

[jim short]

Jonh I am agarst {thanks jamie} Alan Dick published it in 1990 The Short Spyder at the 1991 SFOS was given the trophy with Said Marouths Alfa TZ2 a to the best car there. and hard to believe by John Osbourne who in the wet at Bay Park told me very softly not to run on those slicks!!then at Puke thought I didnt use my mirror to his satifaction,,now he was shaking my hand and making a joke of the past battles!! must admit I tressuure? this prize.I had it parked out side shop in the 90s met a lot of real legdens and some clowns one was a up market Aussie stopped and came in to ask actually shut shop and gave him a ride around the block he then told how to make it better use the V6 holden motor But I wont be invited to the events down south with that motor soXX@@!^^XX another young chap rushed in asking is it a Porsche spider??? Dont insult my car... he was rather stuned with my outlook on life my glass is empty The End

[John McKechnie]

I think I will just crawl away-goodbye

[jim short]

N 0 No alls well that ends well

[jim short]

John you got me remembering some of the reaction my car got,.My wife worked as a travel agent for Go International in the city this night I parked infront of their front door and waited {not in the car}a friend{at that stage} arrived to pick up his wife also a travel agent, we standing talking when he noticed the car Whow look at this he walked around then spotted the name Short spyder Made in NZ, the only part made in NZ registered in his little brain,, he made out to kick it bloody made in NZ then realized it was mine!! .Then I drove down to a meeting at Bay Park and parked it where I could keep an eye on it from the hill stand on the grass then the folk sitting beside us noticed and of he went all excited,he came back disgusted hell its made in NZ!!!he never clicked it was mine and so it goes. On the other side ,in 81 I was invited to run my E Type at the Country Gents at Wigram ,now these guys ran a great meeting no manz here the range of cars some over from Aussie the Dalray a 50s jag SP. Sam Johnsons Ferrari dino ect. the air force had a large tent that had a jazz band and full range of hot meals,was able to meet a lot of new folk the one I wish to meet was Ray Archibald but no show he was so tall and surronded by lesser men I,met and chatted to Ian his brother.1983 Ardmore reunion Ray came up with his 3.8 jag and dusted us all off but in one race my fan belt broke on the last lap and helped me to get fastest lap over him not that it ment much,but after the race he gave me a fan belt along with Rod Coppings Colin McGregor and one other all different sizes ??? any how Ray spent lots of time during the meeting chatting ,if you come to CC you must visit and so on that was 83 now to 93 back at Wigram never seen Ray since 83, me and my son was walking looking at the public cars in the car park like yrs ago car folk were proud to take them out all classics mainly ,when this tall chap with an even taller younger man with a youngster in his arms crossed in front of us .Excuse me I said arnt you Ray Archibald?? do you remember me?? not shure ,,remember the primrose jag??/ Yes tell about your Short Spyder!! true really is true sadly him and Ian are gone but a memorie of him I will never forget at Puke 2nd lap he passed up the back straight Dennis Marwood me then Angus Hyslop and in the hairpin the three of us were side by side and his jag so crossed up imposible to save I was starting to smile I think {cant really be shure} when all of a suden the three of us side by side took of up the short straight and he was gone .years later Earnie Spraque told me Ray used change his diff ratio to suite!!!

[jamie]

Afternoon John just proof read my last coment (only) left out with inserted in the right place it makes sence SORRY abought that Jamie

[jim short]

The man who beat Bruce McLaren back in the sixteys in his 3.8 Mk 2 Jaguar, Alister McBeath in one of the best races ,with the Cooper Mini outbraking and cornering the big Jaguar only to loose out on the long straight fell down some steps and broke his hip and arm .now85yrs old,but very much alive

[hilstwist]

Yes and it was those two racing at Levin which made me a huge "saloon car'' fan. Did he only race that Jag for one season and then pack it in?

[jim short]

I am not shure ,after 63 the first Puke GP they raced at Levin with Kerry Grant and Bruce ,Brian Innis also plus Ernnie in his Zepher sadly I never saw them down south but buy all accounts it was all on, I must addmit I have to think awhile .I think Alister {some slack journos called him Athol!1 much to his disgust}but to confuse use there was a A McLoud? in a Jag at the same time.he Alister bought the car that Simon Taylor raced before he bought the D Type of Hislop ,he had on the drivers door" Mr Quickly" painted on it .He also raced a Cooper 500 a Mk 1 Zepher a taxi with the taxi signe on thr roof. a Normack Sp made in Hawkes Bay plus the Baggnal Sp. Ray Archibald was also running at that stage and I remember Alister describing a demon pass on Ray down the inside and not been able to stop ,the look Ray gave him as they both shot over the grass was not one to forget. He has in his garage below the house is his homemade coffin waiting for him, lined with the curtins from his lounge!! I pity the nurses loking after him ,a great bloke

[David McKinney]

He raced the Jag for two seasons

I also remember other names he painted on his cars - "Frère Diable" was one, possibly on the Normac

He used to take the Evening Post from Wellington to Otaki for delivery every day. I think he used one of his Zephyrs for that purpose at one time, and certainly a V8 Ranchwagon (which was also pressed into occasional competition use)

[jim short]

Another storey about Colin McGregor he was a very astute man ,had the first supermarket in Auckland,owned a swag of cars over the yrs. One was a 3.8 E Type done very little miles,still had chalk marks under the car from the assembly line, he and his wife went up north for a drive and at a set of lights some hoons revesed into the nose and took of laughing.He raced back with Laurie Powell Tom Clark ect,this day at Levin all set to return home when Tom who had the Mk 7 suggested they stop at the Cobb in Taupo for a meal and he would give Colin a start as nothing was as fast as the Jag. Not shure what Colin was driving but it was foot down the whole way,just as Colin and crew got in the door the Mk7 pulled up outside ,Colin said to his crew quick sit at this table that had not been cleared and when Tom came bursting through the door Colin stood up and remarked what a good meal it was and they must be off!!!

[AMCO72]

At the risk of incuring the wrath of other members of TRS, I am bringing up this subject of Jums cars on his own thread, started by Oldfart, so Jum could indulge himself in nostalgia. So no need to shoot Jum down as you, the potential reader can look, or not as the case may be.

The subject of the Ferrari replica was raised on another thread and some questions were asked concerning its build date.
Now I know that Jum is inordinately proud of this car, even though it sounded like a Model A Ford when competing...... true, and I have to ask myself ,why would you want to replicate a Ferrari 500, with a 4 cylinder engine, when you could have, for instance, done a very nice job with a 250F. There is about the same amount of work in each car, and you would end up, in my opinion with a much better looking, and certainly sounding car. The Alfa engine in the Ferrari just didnt cut the mustard for sound, or perhaps when I heard it Jum wasnt giving it enough welly!!!

Of all the race cars around at the time, mid fifties, the 500 was a pretty basic machine. I'm not sure how successful it was, but I think someone won a World Championship in one, maybe Farina, probably because it was so reliable, and actually finished races. It was hardly a thing of beauty ,cocked up at the back end as it was, compared to a 250F.

Jum put his heart and soul into that machine, only to have it scorned by the establishment at the time, especially in the North Island. Think it might be different today, but for whatever reason, Jum spat the dummy and sold the car to the USA, where it sems to have been welcomed. Think he may have regreted that decision, but then again we have all done this......selling cars we shouldnt.

The other machine that Jum is passionate about is of course the SS, not Jaguar, but Short Spyder. I have told Jum repeatedly that it will only look good when he converts to wire-wheels, but he is not convinced. He is concerened that they will fly to pieces when he puts it on the track, but that is not going to happen, is it Jum? A lot of things have got to happen before wire-wheels, like medicals for race-licences etc, so for a start you had better cut-out the lamb shanks and pino gris for tea, and go for lettuce and cucumbers!!!!

So there you go Jum, due to my excessive kindness, and in the way of an apology for ripping shit out of you yesterday for ballsing up the HRSCC thread, here is your chance to have your say, and put us all straight on these two cars.

And by the way, your sense of humour isnt to everyones cup of tea, subtle though it is. I sure you have to have had a sharply honed sense of humour to survive in Waiuku, as a valuable member of the 1st fifteen, and then run a business in Tokoroa dealing with all sorts of dodgy characters. You have come through, perhaps not with flying colours, but at least with your head held up. So dont undo all the good by getting all stoppy about your projects......move on and enjoy life for what it is now, with lots of memories both good and not so good.

Ok thats my lecture for the week. Why did I come back to TRS [dont answer that] Havent slept a wink since!!!

[faminz]

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Jim I dont know if you have any time for MG Midgets/Healey Sprites but you have to be impressed by this one. If only the engine bay in mine looked like that.
Graeme

Wish my bugeye looked like that too!!!!!!!

[jim short]

Wish my bugeye looked like that too!!!!!!!

Amco what the hell are you smoking???never go back on my word? I am pleased you did you just need you distributor advanced a little. THE fERRARI BODY AND CHASSIS WAS BUILT not by me so how the hell could I make it into a 250f.Doug Nye{pom}checks cars out for Bonhams,he thought it was the Shuter {Wigram} car,this was when it was up for sale as an original,this tells as to how good it was ,and to have these old codgers ask stupid questons!!!!As Dave says how the hell can you get excited by a Austin 7??I must add to the list to those that helped me with the making of the Ferrari,Tim Bailley Ferrari importer and owner of Continental cars ,on a Ferrari leterhead allowed it to be called a Ferrari!!! John Riley gave me the steering wheel out of the Whitehead clark car{Super Squalo}and Roly Levis who travelled several times from Tauranga to Tokoroa to help with the front suspension,when you look at all those who helped and a couple of unheard of dreamers who question the car what sort of reaction do you expect??As to the SS strange in 1991 at Levels Timaru along side a Alfa TZ2 the best two cars were the Alfa and the SS heading off a 250f ect 17 cars from the States plus Aussie Hong Kong, Plus the reaction of thos two with their YE Ha ect post shows how their mental state is in question

[AMCO72]

Jim, why is it, when mention of your cars is made, do you come back with 'all guns blazing'.

I know that you did not build the chassis of the 'Ferrari'. What I meant was, why didnt the original builder pick a Maserati to 'copy' rather than a Ferrari?
I frankly dont care if the Lord Jesus Christ helped you to make the damn thing.......it is still a replica. And what a lot of tosh that Mr Tim Bailey, Ferrari importer 'ALLOWED' it to be called a Ferrari. Did you ask Enzo if it would be alright? Honestly I have never heard so much rubbish in all my life.
I dont know who these couple of unheard of dreamers are, or the 'two with their ye ha post', but apparently I belong in that camp as well.
Incidentally, I seem to remember you getting VERY excited over an Austin 7 at the last Festival.

Over and out............

[markson]

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I just thought I would put up this photo, on the JAG thread, of my son's very nice XJS LE_MAN'
s, number 210 of 280 built, that he has just brought, to put in his garage. Graham Pocock !!Markson

[AMCO72]

I sincerely hope he is not just going to 'put it in his garage', but that it will be exercised the way a Jaguar should be.
Incidentally, you say it is a LeMans spec car........what is different from the regular XJS.
That is one sharp looking machine, and a few years ago could be picked up for very little money. I think that situation may have changed. The shape was severely critisized when new, and then of course the fuel crisis didnt do it any good, but a wonderfully smooth and effortless road burner.

[Oldfart]

I know I should not react, however here I go, putting my head in the lions mouth again!
Jim, you yet again hijacked a thread for your own reasons, ie the Taupo thread, then complained because you apparently were not allowed to run the Ferrari at a VCC event.
I have no idea of what happened at that time, but it had nothing whatever to do with Taupo.A long time back I created this thread for you, in the forlorn hope that you might put your thoughts here rather than hijacking damned nearly every thread that was going, and it worked for a while.
You have a lot to offer, but it seems that you need to realise that yours is not the only opinion in town. In my opinion (for what it's worth) no-one is ever totally right, nor totally wrong.
Going back to the "Ferrari". VCC have robust rules relating to replicas, period specials etc. The primary one is that the car is dated by the newest of the engine or chassis, for circuit racing this must be pre Dec 31 1960.This is in agreement with Motorsport, and they are the intractable orgainisation relating to date. The tyres should be of period size, tread style etc. In the Mainland the tyre thing has become a bit more open, which not everyone agrees with.
So for the car which was created (incidentally by friends of mine too,Peter, Ferris etc) the question for vintage movement would be, is this an accurate copy of the car it is portrayed to be? I undetrstand that photos, drawings etc of both the original, and the replica/copy/tribute may be needed. Onus of proof on the owner. 2nd, what year is the engine, again onus...Then a Vehicle Identity Card can be formalised, just like a COD.
Personally I would expect the brakes, transmission etc to be just like the original, and the body of the same material, but that's not totally in the rules as I read them. Now before you leap into abuse I have spoken with you face to face on a number of occasions expressing delight with the car and what was done. I do not know the circumstances of touur attempt to enter, but was any of the background work done? ie COD or VIC, what was it dated as? If it did not have one of those you would be dead in the water, and with a pre 1960 dating. If, for example a 1965 Alfa motor (and I did not say that it was) is used it's a 1965. Chelsea is a pre 1960 event.
The yeehas were because Steve had stated that anything not relating to the thread would be removed, you started that variation and I reacted. Calling mental state into question is a very dodgy place to go, someone might react to that. My late father often said "He who yells first has lost the argument". Don't yell in writing.

[jim short]

Wish my bugeye looked like that too!!!!!!!

faminz strange you mention MG midgets was and still thinking of getting one in spite of been told bad in so many departments they are,I wont mention his name ,but he kicks hell out of me on this site for even thinking about owning one

[jim short]

Jim, why is it, when mention of your cars is made, do you come back with 'all guns blazing'.

I know that you did not build the chassis of the 'Ferrari'. What I meant was, why didnt the original builder pick a Maserati to 'copy' rather than a Ferrari?
I frankly dont care if the Lord Jesus Christ helped you to make the damn thing.......it is still a replica. And what a lot of tosh that Mr Tim Bailey, Ferrari importer 'ALLOWED' it to be called a Ferrari. Did you ask Enzo if it would be alright? Honestly I have never heard so much rubbish in all my life.
I dont know who these couple of unheard of dreamers are, or the 'two with their ye ha post', but apparently I belong in that camp as well.
Incidentally, I seem to remember you getting VERY excited over an Austin 7 at the last Festival.

Over and out............

Amco to start my name is Jim not Jum,no you are not one of those two,if you noticed after Steve said he will delete further post both old fart and his mate forget his name beadog or something ,put up a Ye Ha or words to that effect,somthing a child would do on getting the biggest lollie,I am sorry I didnt explain Enzo was not available any more and Tim who {RIP] was a fine man,and being brought up to believe in Jesus, I do not like you bringing him into your ramblings to get some clout.As to the Maserati against Ferrari the man who started the car was a Ferrari lover and to this I had no control,as to sound all 4 cyld. cars sound that way this is caused by the way the pistons and valves work.A replica it was not and never did I call it such always a Ferrari Special.As to guns blazing,well an old uncle told me years ago never wear a gun unless you plan to use it ,so its hard not to have blaze when needed,I hope this explanation is of some help, but thanking you for your concern Regards Jim Short {my real name and not afraid to use it}

[AMCO72]

Oldfart, you are allowed to react on THIS thread because it is Jims 'Jaguar Thread'. So we can argue away to our hearts content without upsetting other more serious sites, and folk can choose to read or not.
As beowulf said, there is a 'percieved insult' here that Jim cannot, or will not get over. I'm sure he has convinced himself that the 'Ferrari' is a real one straight from the factory. Quoting famous names from the past of NZ motor racing does not make it any more real.
As I said in post 120, mention of these cars is inclined to get an angry response, and I dont know why. That is why I extended the hand of friendship to the man so he could come on here and CALMLY and SENSIBLY tell us about them. Instead I get my hand bitten off.
Well pretty soon it will be, in Trucker speak........thats a big tenfour!!!!!!!
Over and out.

[AMCO72]

Further.......Jim it was you bought the name of Tim into the argument to get clout for the naming of your 'special'. I was mearly carrying on the quote. Whether or not he believed in Jesus is irrelevant to the subject.
I own a four cylinder car, and it doesnt sound like a Model A when it is on the track. Must be because it is a quality English product......or as you would have it....pom!!!!!!

You say you never called your 'Ferrari' a replica. Well you went to extrordinary lengths to get it as near as possible to the real thing. Most 'Specials' are contraptions folk dream up to perform a certain task......hill climbs, trials, off road, and only bear a tiny resemblence to any real machine, but they do the business.

And just remember when you are blazing away........ 'dont waste ammunition'......

[jim short]

I know I should not react, however here I go, putting my head in the lions mouth again!
Jim, you yet again hijacked a thread for your own reasons, ie the Taupo thread, then complained because you apparently were not allowed to run the Ferrari at a VCC event.
I have no idea of what happened at that time, but it had nothing whatever to do with Taupo.A long time back I created this thread for you, in the forlorn hope that you might put your thoughts here rather than hijacking damned nearly every thread that was going, and it worked for a while.
You have a lot to offer, but it seems that you need to realise that yours is not the only opinion in town. In my opinion (for what it's worth) no-one is ever totally right, nor totally wrong.
Going back to the "Ferrari". VCC have robust rules relating to replicas, period specials etc. The primary one is that the car is dated by the newest of the engine or chassis, for circuit racing this must be pre Dec 31 1960.This is in agreement with Motorsport, and they are the intractable orgainisation relating to date. The tyres should be of period size, tread style etc. In the Mainland the tyre thing has become a bit more open, which not everyone agrees with.
So for the car which was created (incidentally by friends of mine too,Peter, Ferris etc) the question for vintage movement would be, is this an accurate copy of the car it is portrayed to be? I undetrstand that photos, drawings etc of both the original, and the replica/copy/tribute may be needed. Onus of proof on the owner. 2nd, what year is the engine, again onus...Then a Vehicle Identity Card can be formalised, just like a COD.
Personally I would expect the brakes, transmission etc to be just like the original, and the body of the same material, but that's not totally in the rules as I read them. Now before you leap into abuse I have spoken with you face to face on a number of occasions expressing delight with the car and what was done. I do not know the circumstances of touur attempt to enter, but was any of the background work done? ie COD or VIC, what was it dated as? If it did not have one of those you would be dead in the water, and with a pre 1960 dating. If, for example a 1965 Alfa motor (and I did not say that it was) is used it's a 1965. Chelsea is a pre 1960 event.
The yeehas were because Steve had stated that anything not relating to the thread would be removed, you started that variation and I reacted. Calling mental state into question is a very dodgy place to go, someone might react to that. My late father often said "He who yells first has lost the argument". Don't yell in writing.

Forgive me I started to read your tale but lost interest after 3 lines this car ran at many events never prevented once,as I stated quite clearly Chelsey was one mans problem ,I dont like the way certan folk are twisting things so no more on this subject.and a laugh a day is good for you so just lighten up you know who yes is you

[markson]

Hi Gerald My Son did buy the Jag (to only put in his garage) ,as at present he does not drive, but I am sure that he will not be short of friends to take him out at weekends.The difference between a standard XJS and a Le Man's, are the head lights, the interior the wheels and a few other little items, but I don't think anything in the way of performance,he did pay a lot of money for it ,check out trade me listing 517 300 211 Graham. Pocock Markson