New Zealand Allcomer Saloons

[Steve Holmes]

Not sure why it is this forum has been running for a year now and nobody has started a thread dedicated to the Allcomer saloons! Anyway, time to put that right, so if you have anything Allcomer related, including photos, race program entries, results, lost and found info, etc etc, post it here, and we'll build ourselves a database.

I'll kick off with a neat photo supplied by Bob Homewood. I'm pretty certain this is one of the preliminary races prior to the big championship race at the opening round of the 1967 NZ Saloon Car Championship, but if anyone would like to set me straight, please jump in. Robbie Franicevic would be starting this race from the rear of the grid in the Custaxie, and finished third, behind Paul Fahey and Jack Nazer.

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[Steve Holmes]

Here is the program from that same event, again supplied by Bob.

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[bry3500]

The 'Hardtop' Tojeiro Jag as raced at Wigram 1966

[Steve Holmes]

Another supplied by Bob, this is just after the start of the race shown above, with Jack Nazer leading the Mustangs of Paul Fahey and Ivan Segedin.

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[bob homewood]

This might be handy as it goes with that race and might answer a few questions ,incidentally that race was quite wet ,although the photos don't show it
Into Champion Curve for the first time in the big All Comer race and Jack Nazer's Lotus Anglia led Fahey,Segedin,Frank Radisich,and Neil Doyle,with one lap gone there was a tussle for the lead between ,Fahey ,Nazer,and Segedin,followed by a gap to Doyle,Rod Coppins in the ex Fahey Anglia and Radisich,Coppins assumed fourth place,while with the rain increasing Nazer moved into the lead on lap 3,the white Mustang then retaking this position shortly after,meantime Francevic was speeding through the field after starting on the back row of the grid and the Segedin Mustand retired,Fahey finally won the race by little more than a second from Nazer,Francevic,Coppins,Doyle and John Rileys Anglia Oldsmobile "

[stubuchanan]

The screen-saver on my computer is set up to run through all my pictures on a sort of random process.

This picture appeared yesterday after a period of keyboard inactivity and I just had to find it and post it here!

http://s6.postimage.org/cj7xnqtm9/22_Feb_67_Mustangs_Custaxie.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

I must have taken it at almost the same instant as the picture in the first posting. I have 2 versions of the starting grid in 2 programmes, but neither one tallies with this picture. At least Bob Homewood seems to be in his right position, but Robbie Francevic looks like he is planning a big blast around the outside. The full version of this slide shows some very dark clouds to the South, which tallies with the wet track Bob mentions.

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[Steve Holmes]

Wow, Stu, that is superb! What a beautiful photo. Thanks for posting it. After researching this event, I'm certain all three pics shown here are of the preliminary race that preceded the points paying race at the opening round of the '67 championship. Franicevic started this one at the rear, but as the starting positions for the main race were based on finishing positions from this race, he started the main race third on the grid.

[Oldfart]

In the programme page you will see K Hirst with an A90. I had the pleasure of catching up with him again on Sunday and was told a bit about that car. In 67 I joined Thames Valley, and can't remember a thing about it, but "Pipe" Robertsons A40 gave me some interesting rides!

[Habu]

Not sure if this fits the mold or not....:)
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[GD66]

May not have, but Scott Wiseman's winged E-type sure fits the bill!

Red Dawson and Paul Fahey's Mustangs sandwich Norm Beechey's Chevy Nova on the front row, and the Lexington Camaro is driven by Spinner Black. That'd be the same meeting you snapped Grable at, December 1968.

[Steve Holmes]

Beautiful photo Allan!

[bob homewood]

Wow, Stu, that is superb! What a beautiful photo. Thanks for posting it. After researching this event, I'm certain all three pics shown here are of the preliminary race that preceded the points paying race at the opening round of the '67 championship. Franicevic started this one at the rear, but as the starting positions for the main race were based on finishing positions from this race, he started the main race third on the grid.

Steve yes I have struggled with that photo because I remembered in The main race Bill Bryce and Graham Park were just ahead of me for all of the race and there was no Mini ( Bill Bryce )in that photo,I nearly got past Park at one stage but it was just too wet to see ,I decided a finish was better than being a hero,incidentally that race was for the fastest 30 cars from race 1,2,and 3

[Habu]

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E Type Jag Pukekohe. Is the Zephyr Noel Goodwins in the background?

[Steve Holmes]

Another really cool pic. Interesting to see what looks like a spare set of front doors for the Zephyr.

[jim short]

Best photo I have seen of the Wiseman car wing and all

[GeebeeNZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQBd15eQP34&list=HL1335952944&feature=mh_lolz

Hopefully someone can put some names to those other than Francevich Nazer and Fahey. I believe it is Wigram. Sorry about the sound.

[Oldfart]

Clyde Collins, Neil Doyle just to throw 2 into the mix. Definitely Wigram

[bry3500]

Jim Mullins (brief shot) Frank Radisich, John Ward, Rod Coppins, F Hamlin ? Bill Bryce??

[Steve Holmes]

Wow, that is just sensational! Where did you find that? Ron Rutherford is driving the white A40. John Ward was racing the ex-Fahey Anglia here, he and Coppins were taking turns during the season.

[Rod Grimwood]

Hard case the set of spare doors for the Z-Car, if Goody was involved a good move. Wonder if they had a grill and bumper as well.

Then again knowing Goody one set for scrutineering and one for racing.

[jim short]

Hi are the vidios ok have more if not happy

[Rod Grimwood]

Have not arrived yet but will give you call when they do
Cheers

PS always take more to watch.

[GeebeeNZ]

Wow, that is just sensational! Where did you find that? Ron Rutherford is driving the white A40. John Ward was racing the ex-Fahey Anglia here, he and Coppins were taking turns during the season.

Steve I was lucky enough to be given it many years ago on a Video. I also have the 1967 and 1968 Benson and Hedges on Video. Black and White but no sound. Couldnt find a Benson and Hedges topic. May have to start one when I have time to download them.
Graeme

[markec]

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Rod Coppins in the Chev Coupe,Garth Souness B4 Coupe,Grahame Harvey Holden with Red Dawson in the
Willys.

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks Mark, cool pic. Its amazing how quickly the Allcomers progressed in just a couple of seasons from this photo.

[bob homewood]

Steve ,just looking at Red's Willys there I think that was probably one of the first moves in the change of the class
smaller and lighter ,a more streamlined shape, away back as you probably remember me commenting on here about the concept of
Dave Jollys Humber,same thing smaller ,lighter ,better suspension ,our concept was good it just needed the money to
buy a Corvette motor and a decent gearbox,things changed over that period fairly quickly

[Rod Grimwood]

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Rod Coppins in the Chev Coupe,Garth Souness B4 Coupe,Grahame Harvey Holden with Red Dawson in the
Willys.

Look at all the Z-Cars count 8 in there.

[GD66]

True, but all Mark 11s, not a Mark 111 in sight, even though they came out in '62.
Puke opened in 1963, so the pic must be from the '63/'64 season.


PS Last year I spotted a Mark 11 200 yards off the road in a rice paddy in Bali...:eek:

[105angria]

the race with Archibald And Sprague is the first race i have a strong memory of they both went off at the last corner onto the front straight

[AMCO72]

Two good pics there of 55 for the Doyle-Dickie Anglia restorer. Different race meetings, different paint, different signage.....first one could be Doyle, the second obviously Dickie.....

[markec]

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[Steve Holmes]

Its my understanding the Red Dawson Willys pictured above still exists?

[woody]

Steve, Lin Neilson in Dunedin bought the Willys off Red, took the motor out and put it in a Mk3 Zephyr. The body sat in Maitland St. behind Fairmonte Motot Court for a month or too then disappeared.

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks for that woody, good info. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the car actually still exists, though has spent many years sat outside and its condition has suffered.

[pallmall]

Thanks for that woody, good info. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the car actually still exists, though has spent many years sat outside and its condition has suffered.

Yes, it has been mentioned a couple of times in the recent past in NZ Hot Rod Magazine, I think Rob Campbell tracked the remains down somewhere in the deep south.

[45DCOE]

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Found these on another forum, Kerry Grant's original A40,then with Jim Mullins roof chop with Pat Pascoe (?) driving. Good image of Paul Faheys Fastback Anglia

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This looks like Adam Collin's replica (should we be saying that word !) of his father Clyde's Fordina from the same forum

[Steve Holmes]

Wow, those old Puke photos are amazing!

[45DCOE]

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Did not realise that Rod Coppins tried the fast frnt treatment on the Zephyr Corvette.

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Looks like Robbie Francevic very sideways at Levin in front of Jack Nazer

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Humber Jag
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Morrari
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Custaxie

[Roger Dowding]

Haven't been into this thread before, cannot believe it, as have lots of Allcomer photos from 1966/67 on my Pukekohe thread.
must select a few and post them here.

[ERC]

#37/2 and 38 are in fact my pics!... Lifted from TradeMe.

[Roger Dowding]

April 1966 meeting, Paul Fahey - fastback Anglia [ breadvan ].
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Jan 1968 Neil Doyles Anglia - Oldsmobile
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Jan 1968 Frank Radisich Anglia
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May 1966 Humber Jaguar T Boyle
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May 1966 Garth Souness Morrari
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The first of them, perhaps May 1966 the Zephyr Corvette, Ken Bailey driving that day.
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[45DCOE]

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[Oldfart]

Roger, I believe that Neil Doyle's car had a Corvette, not a Buick. Red played with the Olds/Buick one
The Zephyr Corvette pre-dated 66 too.

[Jac Mac]

I thought it was John Riley with the Anglia Olds/Buick.


Roger, I believe that Neil Doyle's car had a Corvette, not a Buick. Red played with the Olds/Buick one
The Zephyr Corvette pre-dated 66 too.

[John McKechnie]

There was an article on John Rileys Anglia V8 on another thread

[Oldfart]

I thought it was John Riley with the Anglia Olds/Buick.

Of course, middle of the night dumb comment, mea culpa. Still that Neil had a Corvette though.

[45DCOE]

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This is an article from an old NZ publication called "Classic Wheels". Its a good insight to Paul Fahay's Fastback Anglia.

[Roger Dowding]

I had a copy of that magazine, the publication didn't last very long which was a pity ..

Lotus twincam in a BMC body, Ron Rutherford GP meeting 1968
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[SPman]

Fordina?

[Roger Dowding]

Roger, I believe that Neil Doyle's car had a Corvette, not a Buick. Red played with the Olds/Buick one
The Zephyr Corvette pre-dated 66 too.

My note was on the back of the picture as an Oldsmobile, which I probably took from the Race Programme which I no longer have. a mean beast anyway and seem to get uglier as it was more and more modified..

[Rod Grimwood]

John Riley had Buick in Anglia and then he put it in a Lotus sports car. Jigger Jones was involved.

John in Anglia and the Lotus with Jigger pushing it.

Very first photo in thread has John in Anglia near rear of photo on inside of track.

[John McKechnie]

Also in that first picture is another well known driver -Graeme Park- currently working on his GPS Marina V8 for the Historic Sports Sedans.
Hes been running for a long time also, in fact hes the only one from that grid still competing , looking at these names.
Can anyone spot his blue Anglia ?
pic#6 is in colour, but cant read the numbers.

[GD66]

That'll be him at Paritutu with Barry Phillips.

Pic found elsewhere on TRS, but I know not from whence...

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[45DCOE]

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Some Motorman articles that are pretty interesting to read.

[Oldfart]

They are great articles, can you date them too? Thanks

[45DCOE]

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John Riley's Anglia Olds

[45DCOE]

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Dave Jurie's roll. Taken by Alan Boyle

[Steve Holmes]

Wow, these are beautiful! The Riley Anglia Olds shot is epic! One of the best I've seen of this car.

[45DCOE]

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Just after contact with Morrie Hogan coming out of pits. Alan Boyle photo.

[45DCOE]

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Alex Wilson's original Anglia V8 hybird. Car in primer was I understand first event at Palmer Head, Alex said he broke record. Looks like Gary Huxford's Anglia on the trailer. Thanks to Alex for the images

[duncan fox]

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Alex Wilson's original Anglia V8 hybird. Car in primer was I understand first event at Palmer Head, Alex said he broke record. Looks like Gary Huxford's Anglia on the trailer. Thanks to Alex for the images

Wow these photos take me back to my teenage years . These guys were based in a Nissan hut in Miramar Nth just sth of the entrance to the old Shell installation. I watched these two cars being built , the Anglia /Chev was called "Brutus"?, they along with Bill McPhersons FJ Holden were my introduction to full size motorsport ,me being an active slot racer at the time with Bills brother. Mr McRea was in a single car garage just around the corner in Stone St I believe it was.

[45DCOE]

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Not really an allcomer but John Mines (JRM sport car builder) in Cooper S powered Fiat 500. Looks like Houghton Bay Road. Clever car builder. Had the motor sitting across where the rear seat would normally be.

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Dave Jurie's in his Anglia after Pukekohe crash !

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[Frosty5]

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John Riley's Anglia Olds

I remember this car well. Johnny used to try it out down Portage road extension. I lived at the Abattoir house and used to race across the paddocks to watch along with Graeme Harvey in the Elfin. Johnny
tried it down the Southern M/Way south and at 138 mph found the Tip Top corner just a tad too sharp.Came through Ok as the M/Way finished then at Otahuhu He said only he and the laundry man knew how scared he was!! He later became our neighbour in Papatoetoe and I followed both he and Brett in their racing. Got to know him very well and loved some of the left field cars he had at his sale yard in Otahuhu.

Cheers Dave

[Steve Holmes]

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Fantastic article! Thanks for posting. Was Hot Rodding Review and Aussie mag?

[45DCOE]

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Ivan Segedin Anglia

[Milan Fistonic]

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Ivan Segedin Anglia

This is the entry list for that 1964 race.

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[Roger Dowding]

This is the entry list for that 1964 race.

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Interesting cars there ; The Allardette, was a Sydney Allard modified Anglia, and I see Colin Lumsden in " that De Soto Spl ", that had all sorts of modifications over several years,a big Car . a huge variation in capacity too !! 1350 cc to 5000 cc that was NZ saloon racing. The Jennings Spcl, was that a Fiat Topolino pre-war with a rather large 6 cylinder motor ??
Milan,once again your archives are amazing, thanks

[John McKechnie]

Is that Souness behind Red Dawsons Willys -behind John Riley ?

[tonttu]

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So which road circuit was this?
Thanks

[stubuchanan]

So which road circuit was this?
Thanks

Possibly Renwick. There were multiple signposts near the hairpin. Looks too rural to be anywhere else.

Stu

[Steve Holmes]

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Ivan Segedin Anglia

Wow, how cool is this!

[45DCOE]

Looks like Red Dawson behind John Riley. Does anyone know who anything about N Hawker from Wellington listed in a 1650 Cortina. Just wondering if it was Neil Hawker ho use to fit 350 Chevs in XJ6's and fitted a Lotus Twin Cam into a Mk 1 Escort.

[ElCoyote]

The same one Steve

[45DCOE]

Do you have any photos of the car Phil? Did not know he actually raced anything

[ElCoyote]

On reflection it may be a different Hawker. The first cortina I rode in was Neil's but was only 1500 at the time. Was a similar colour to my angria and had twin exhausts fitted with m/cycle megaphone mufflers. Will have a browse in the photo's to confirm.

[Paul B]

Wow these photos take me back to my teenage years . These guys were based in a Nissan hut in Miramar Nth just sth of the entrance to the old Shell installation. I watched these two cars being built , the Anglia /Chev was called "Brutus"?, they along with Bill McPhersons FJ Holden were my introduction to full size motorsport ,me being an active slot racer at the time with Bills brother. Mr McRea was in a single car garage just around the corner in Stone St I believe it was.
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Does anyone know if any of these cars are still around?

[Spgeti]

I think Brutus is in Wellington but it maybe a replica of the car..unsure about that.
The other is the Fayhe Breadvan Anglia and is owned and raced currently by Craig Stacey.

[Paul B]

Thanks Bruce,
I like the Brutus machine.... and of course the breadvan. reminds me of my old Anglia.
100e's were popular cars for engine transplants back then, rust was always an issue. But I haven't seen one with a 105e front end before, (If I am seeing it right) very cool.
The battery at the left of the driver probably doubled as a cut of switch using a loose positive lead.

[Spgeti]

Yes you are seeing it right, 105 front on a 100E rear and yes Chev powered..

[Paul B]

Wow these photos take me back to my teenage years . These guys were based in a Nissan hut in Miramar Nth just sth of the entrance to the old Shell installation. I watched these two cars being built , the Anglia /Chev was called "Brutus"?, they along with Bill McPhersons FJ Holden were my introduction to full size motorsport ,me being an active slot racer at the time with Bills brother. Mr McRea was in a single car garage just around the corner in Stone St I believe it was.

Does anyone know if Alex Wilsons "Brutus"machine is still about?

[Spgeti]

I think it is still in the Wellington area Paul

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Saw this on Old New Zealand Motor Racing. Anyone know what happened to this Anglia that Robbie raced ?

[Milan Fistonic]

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Saw this on Old New Zealand Motor Racing. Anyone know what happened to this Anglia that Robbie raced ?

That photo was taken by Peter Levet and posted by me. It would be good if people would credit the photographer when they use their shots.