Found car!

[Oldfart]

Well, seeing as we keep on about lost cars..
I have now in my possession/custody a Buckler 90. Research so far has the following suppositions.
It is an English chassis car, so one of the first 5 90s.
It has a red moulded body, according to Bruce Sutcliffe, "Le Patron" of Buckler, there were only 3 of that color.
It is probably the first car which Ferris de Joux owned.
My request to the membership. Does anyone have any programmes for Ardmore which show Ferris as either owner or driver of a Buckler? Or any other documentation relating?
It is my aim to have this in a useable state by the next Roycroft trophy meeting the week after Easter next year.
I suspect it ran an 1172cc motor in period, so help in finding any of that stuff would be appreciated too.
A rebuild diary will be coming!

[bob homewood]

What year Ardmore roughly to help me look

[Kwaussie]

Had a search through some old cartons of stuff - no details from Ardmore but have found a few details on
Bucklers [NZ] Limited, PO Box 9159 Newmarket, Auckland.
Telephone 26 698 (crossed out) now 54 6698
The specialists in Multi-Tube Sports Car frames and special components for the home constructor.
...... bit more on what they could fabricate...... and then.....

Distributors for
Elva Engineering Limited
Coventry Climax Engines Limited
(Sports/Racing Division)

[Kwaussie]

Thought I should add that the publication of this little 14 page Buckler book was about 1958 so even if you add a 9 to the phone number I doubt if they will still be there!

[David McKinney]

In the Ultimate-Ekco Handicap at the 1958 GP meeting de Joux was entered in a car called the AWM Buckler. As the entrant was the Australasian Motor Works, I suspect it should really have been an AMW Buckler. The same car had been driven by Gordon Brown, with the same entrant, in the sportscar race earlier in the day

I'm not sure that this is your car, as Buckler expert Kelvin Brown says it was a DD2 rather than a 90

In period the de Joux fibreglass bodies were always known as AMWs, though somewhere along the line people have started calling them De Joux bodies

[bob homewood]

Used to go around to the Harris's when I was really young in short pants ,bit hard to remember now but I think they were in a street over by Mt Hobson,brought some cycle guards from them for my project ,and ogled at a chassis they had there

[Kwaussie]

A W Harris Ltd have a mention in the booklet I have - same phone number etc.
A brand new AMW Mk2 Glass/Plastic body $260 circa 1958. (130 quid)
One measurement that you can tell between a Mk90 and a MkDD2 is the cockpit width (seats) 39" for the Mk90 and 41.5" for the DD2.
AIAmSTWillOUpACOBWorms.

What a great find for OF, look forward to reading the rebuild diary. Cheers and hope you have a lot of enjoyment with the rebuild.

[Oldfart]

Thanks for the input guys.
Buckler cars are long gone, as are all their records. Effectively bought by Dennis Marwood for the import licences, and sadly the records were apparently used for scrap paper as no-one realised that silly old buggers like us would be bothered with cars like this some time in the future.
Easy way to tell a DD car from any of the others is that the DD stands for De Dion rear suspension.
David I am guessing re the dates, and it may well be the club meetings that saw the car used, ie no really significant history, but guess says 58 ish?
Kw, any chance of scanning that booklet?

[bob homewood]

I can be corrected on this one ,but I think the "Buckler " name went to Merv Mayo ,then to Performance Developments (Ray Stone) ,and of course then on to Dennis when he became the sole owner of PD ,I am sure I have a copy of some adds which reflect this
I think a lot of the earlier manifold patterns I have which I brought from Dennis,came through the Buckler line of history and once again I could be corected but I think some of the very early patterns were made by Cliff Judd in Thames

[rogered]

i looked at the cliff judd buckler around 10 years ago. complete with ohv engine.
it needed alot of work.
never heard of it again, but assume someone brought it for resto.

[Oldfart]

Roger, I believe the Judd car was sold at one time to a person in Nelson, with a buy back to Cliff. Last known back with Cliff in Thames, but anything you can add would be very welcome by the Buckler group. That car originally had an 833cc (probably Ford 8) engine.

[GeebeeNZ]

Oldfart, I bought my Buckler book off the Judd family. Cliffs car is owned by a previous owner of the Blue Brick who I think resides in TeAroha. I believe it has an Elva Ford in it. I think the right money would buy it.

[Steve Holmes]

How about posting some photos of the car Oldfart?

[ged]

oldfart i do recall a buckler 90 in hands of a guy elwyn cannot recall his last name lived in kaitangata and raced it otago southland area 60 70 s

[David McKinney]

Kerwyn Taylor?

[ged]

yes david and quite a enthusatic chap he was too minstral was another kit car around about the same time along with the berkley a motorcycle powered sports car

[bob homewood]

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The Buckler name was with Mayo's by Feb 1964,judging by this add

[Oldfart]

I spoke with Merv Mayo last week, very interesting, but sadly got no further with my car.
It is certain that it's an English built chassis, the body is also a bit different to any other in subtle but distinctive ways. All a bit curious really! It is probably not the car Ferris first had, although that car is still lost.
Does anyone know of an event, possibly the precursor of the Pirelli Mainland, which was known as the "Alpine Run" or something like that? Around 69/70 and I suspect well organised. I am after any info. Organisers, participants, route, anything at all.
Cheers all. Photos are coming!

[bob homewood]

I spoke with Merv Mayo last week, very interesting, but sadly got no further with my car.
It is certain that it's an English built chassis, the body is also a bit different to any other in subtle but distinctive ways. All a bit curious really! It is probably not the car Ferris first had, although that car is still lost.
Does anyone know of an event, possibly the precursor of the Pirelli Mainland, which was known as the "Alpine Run" or something like that? Around 69/70 and I suspect well organised. I am after any info. Organisers, participants, route, anything at all.
Cheers all. Photos are coming!


Carlo you might be able to answer that one

[Oldfart]

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So here it is arriving home with the "wrong stuff" but it's a start!

[stubuchanan]

A trawl through some pictures from the late '50s and early 60s produces a few AMW bodies, not all on Buckler chassis:

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1. Roy Billington's Elfo Special at Muriwai Hillclimb late 1958 (not a Buckler apparently)

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2. Vic Simpkin's Buckler at same event. Judging by ill-fitting bodywork probably same car as below,

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3. Club Circuit meeting January 1958 week after NZIGP. W (Rick) Harris ran #2 Buckler at the GP meeting - looks like same car with a "0" added. Note fit of bonnet.


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4. Alwyn Marshall at an Ostrich Farm Road hillclimb 1962.

The Billington car appeared at a "GP Show' at the Newmarket Car Park before the 1959 NZGP with Australasian Motor Works advertising around it. I have a dodgy photo of it - flash didn't work or something.

Stu

[David McKinney]

Back in the day I believed the Elfo Special was really a Buckler but Simpkin's 'Buckler' wasn't a Buckler. According to Buckler guru Kelvin Brown I was right about the Billington car but not about the Simpkin...

[stubuchanan]

Back in the day I believed the Elfo Special was really a Buckler but Simpkin's 'Buckler' wasn't a Buckler. According to Buckler guru Kelvin Brown I was right about the Billington car but not about the Simpkin...

My information came from a very well-known unreliable source and I'm not surprised some of it is wrong! The Elfo Special was a very nice-looking car, though. I must now chase up the more reliable sources for my own satisfaction.

Stu

[Oldfart]

Stu, thank you very much for posting these photos. They have confirmed a few things for me! Any chance of sending me some direct for my records?
The whole issue of Bucklers in NZ is, and will probably always be, a moving target. There seems to be no absolute record of how many cars were built in NZ and also how many were imported. Add to that that there were a number of "officially approved copies" and it's all very murky.
Lots of the fun is in the research (cheaper too!)

[stubuchanan]

Stu, thank you very much for posting these photos. They have confirmed a few things for me! Any chance of sending me some direct for my records?
The whole issue of Bucklers in NZ is, and will probably always be, a moving target. There seems to be no absolute record of how many cars were built in NZ and also how many were imported. Add to that that there were a number of "officially approved copies" and it's all very murky.
Lots of the fun is in the research (cheaper too!)

Hi Oldfart

Have just sent you a Private Message. More than happy to assist.

Stu Buchanan

[bob homewood]

When ever I look through all these old photos and try to identify ,cars and drivers ,I wonder how many of you look at the people in the background,officials,mechanics etc and try to identify them as well

[stubuchanan]

When ever I look through all these old photos and try to identify ,cars and drivers ,I wonder how many of you look at the people in the background,officials,mechanics etc and try to identify them as well

The old saying was that every picture tells a story, but sometimes they tell several stories, when you go back and look at them again years later. You see things you didn't notice at the time, or didn't seem important.

Stu

[David McKinney]

I do, Bob - but the main result is frustration at my failing memory:o

[markec]

Try Alan Dick at<adnztoday@gmail.com> he is / was a Ferris de Joux fan.

[Oldfart]

I now have even more questions than answers! Having spent the weekend at Taupo with the VCC my car appears even more of an enigma.
Inside the body appears the correct "cuts" for the doors and and the bonnet bu maybe never used. My doors have somewhat conventional hinges rather than drop down doors, the bonnet is different...
The plot thickens!

[Oldfart]

Another time to rattle a cage ot two!
I have been working away at the car over the last week, and have got myself fairly convinced over the body. The front half, to the front edge of the doors is de Joux Mark 1, from there back it is Mistral!
Does this ring any bells anywhere?

[Oldfart]

Another cage rattle!
This Buckler was moulded red, painted gold, then red and gold again. Followed by a few colours. The first gold is the one adhering to the car the best. Any history would be very gratefully accepted. It WILL be at the Roycroft meeting in April.

[markec]

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Whats this one

[David McKinney]

Looks like the red and white car raced by Peter Preston and Dave Mitchell in the early/mid '60s. I think both were from Timaru. Had been built by Rick Harris in Auckland then sold to Barry Brown in Christchurch. Now I believe with Mark Garmey

Mitchell was #35 at Wigram in 1964 - that could be when and where your photo was taken

[Oldfart]

I think you are right David, previous owners include John Money (and me)

[jim short]

In 1961 the Buckler agent was on the left hand side going up Khyber Pass.I am not sure but Harris I think {I used to know as I bought a a crown wheel and pinion of him .}yes Arther Harris, I took it back to him a few weeks later ,it had turned blue .I dident like to tell him on a friday night I used to park it up by Shorters so it could start by running downhill if needed!!without thinking the speedo bracket was rather important as it stopped the diff oil running out the torque tube driveshaft.for some reason it never had one fitted another ,strange thing that would never pass today the handbrake worked of the footbrake,as fore the name mine was built by Mr Reed so was a Reed Buckler had wheels of a T R 2 I doubt it was any faster than the sidevalve Morrie I traded on it

[jim short]

I have the blue Buckler book if some one needs it more than I

[Oldfart]

I have the blue Buckler book if some one needs it more than I

PM sent

[jim short]

Sorry not blue ..the Kevin Brown book

[Oldfart]

Got it, never mind, thanks

[Paul Wilkinson]

Ferris definately owned and drove a red Buckler, he showed me some pictures of him in it with his dog. I'm pretty sure it didn't have a Mistral rear though....

[Oldfart]

Ferris definately owned and drove a red Buckler, he showed me some pictures of him in it with his dog. I'm pretty sure it didn't have a Mistral rear though....
I would have been surprised if he had used another manufacturer, especially when we consider him to be the best of the fibreglass builders we have seen, and are yet to see!

[Ross Hollings]

Ferris did own a red Buckler which he sold to Graeme Brayshaw,[Graeme has since sold it to his son in law]it had a Climax motor and was built from a chassis that had been stored in the rafters[and probably the original that jigs were taken from]at Mayos,Ferris bought it and put his body on it.i also owned a car with a De Joux body and that was the Humber 80 Special running a 1750cc Rapier motor,that car is now in Queensland Australia,and the guy I sold it to calls it a Buckler which it is not.Ferris,s car had no competition history as it was not built up until the 70's. Ross

[jim short]

Yes Ross is correct I had a drive in the Buckler about the time he started on the Jag Specal{wish I had that one} he also was selling trailer sailors he made ,had one parked by his house.

[Oldfart]

Nice of you guys to open this up again. I need to correct the comment "Ferris had no competiton history" as I have programmes from an earlyish (mid 50s) Ardmore showing him as an entrant and driver. I will need to dig them out to get exact date. From memory it was not a high level meeting.
I am also told that Ferris had one of the early cars as well as the one sold to Graeme.

[jim short]

Gee Oldfart the Ardmore he drove at not a high levall you must be joking Nothing higher than the GP meet

[Oldfart]

Jum, wot u mussed rember is that not orl the drivas in th sports car races were in the top klass. I did say I was not sure though, in response to Ross Hollings! And you did agree!

[Russ Cunningham]

Yes Ross is correct I had a drive in the Buckler about the time he started on the Jag Specal{wish I had that one} he also was selling trailer sailors he made ,had one parked by his house.

My dear old mum once went out with a sailor. Don't recall him having a trailer!

[jim short]

Russ i was going to say ,, No changed my mind and Oldfart pleased you are catching on took a while though,I thank God I dont smell

[Oldfart]

Jim, as Dickens (a distant relly) was reputed to have said "Noses are for smelling, I just stink", does that apply?

[jim short]

Sorry OLdfart I only made standard 4

[Oldfart]

Sorry Jim if you thought I was taking the piss, just having a bit of fun, not supposed to be at your expense.

[AMCO72]

Dont worry oldfart, Jum can take it. As he will tell you, he and I are at the opposite ends of the schooling system. As I have said he left school when his feet could reach the pedals on the Bedford, and as he will gleefully tell you, I stayed at school till I was married.....he was a fast learner, while I was more a bit more on the casual side.....too much dreaming about cars!!!

[jim short]

I am so confused Amco you worry me ,but after calling on some old time drivers we cant agree as to the ans, no 1 the Mini you are so fond of is not the car you need to twitchy and nervious , a bright red Chev Monza with pow. steering is more your style .Amco you know how modest and humble i am so dont think I have a big head when I say as you know I haved raced most types of cars and I may be different to a lot of other folk ,but the first car I had that was able to run was the Mk 2 it had a seat belt that was all that was required,now I even enjoyed walking around BP while waiting to start,I guess I did more laps in practise than most because I more than enjoyed I actually loved it,Then yrs. later in the black car I was 1st out and last in most times 20 mins of pure enjoyment..And looking back I won a race or two but only remember??lucky if I rememer half a dozen. I do remember one of the taccoc Porsche relays 4 cars to a team do your ten laps come in pass the armband to the next car,I had my E Type I think it was after Dave had made into a gen. 150 mph car megafone exhaust koni shocks D cams and most important the correct needles{hard to find} I was the lead car for Taccoc Mr Holmes was teammanager he held out the IN signe on your last lap .Le Mans start Peter Thoreby s left hand 911 parked beside me ,for some reason he was trying to get into my car they were both red , then lap after lap Ray Racings Alfa was real quick through the gully Bellis Turbo 911 wasnt far ahead, lap after lap now I wasnt winning but I enjoyed it so much I missed IN board twice ,I dont think they meant all the names they called me .Because now I ask you whoudnt would enjoy watching a masterfull display in a wonderfull car Sorry the memories have caused a senior moment

[AMCO72]

Now Jim, this thread started by olfart, was to do with a Buckler and its whereabouts. We seem to have drifted into a discussion about having FUN....... I think!!!!! I will really have to slow down my reading of your pieces, as they really demand my full concentration.......no rums before-hand. The FUN bit you are telling us about..... I think...... should be on another thread, already running, and I'm amazed that oldfart has not pulled you up for straying like a lost sheep. He is usually quick off the mark in this respect......must have had too many of your rums. Anyway, I am glad that you used to have FUN in the old days, but I think is a bit pointless wearing out the car/tyres doing dozens of practice laps only to have the machine expire under you during the race. And as for missing an 'IN' board, well a pair of prescription glasses may have helped......it will say so on your 'new' medically approved licence!!
You and I Jim are of an age where FUN is a rare beast, so I'm glad you have you memories to keep you going. So dig out those scrap-books, relive all those exciting practice laps, and go to bed a happy man.

[jim short]

Now AMco pos. the problem is you are getting out of bed to early,9am is early in this weather,why do you rubish my valid and helpfull coments .. Are you really saying you must win to race??your coment that those v8 drivers finally at the back woke up and quit???You are stressing out bringing Oldfart in to help your beliefs .How often did my cars not finish??You mention wearing out the car!!! What the hell have you got it for?? cycling is healthy and cheeper,as to the glasses why would you want to stop when there is so much enjoyment to be had,and did you always do as you were told,, and as it turned two of the E Types in our team had never taken part before so the pressure was gone,you and I know you enjoyed the old MG races and you still have do you not???

[Oldfart]

Hey I don't have a problem, you 2 geriatrics can ramble on as much as you like, PROVIDED it doesn't turn into another flipping Jag sounding board. Hell my Buckler would be lucky to get 1/3 of the horsepower, probably nearer 1/4 on a good day.

[jim short]

We all have our limits Oldfart

[jim short]

Yes Oldfart theres to much jousting from those old retired folk on here some of then need to get out and do something usefull.Bucklers please tell me about your car who had it new and who else what gear has it got ect I realise you may have done this allready but not that I know of.they certanly took over from the MGs ect back in the late 50s

[Oldfart]

Hey Jim, you have put stuff on this thread, have a look back at my starting posts, all your questions will be answered!

[jim short]

Yes I must be old.. I am prety sure Ferris raced at the GP but starting to question myself

[Russ Cunningham]

Nice of you guys to open this up again. I need to correct the comment "Ferris had no competiton history" as I have programmes from an earlyish (mid 50s) Ardmore showing him as an entrant and driver. I will need to dig them out to get exact date. From memory it was not a high level meeting.
I am also told that Ferris had one of the early cars as well as the one sold to Graeme.

Correct Old Fart! Ferris never competed at any of the G.P. meetings.

[Oldfart]

In reality I could say "Whatever", he was the genius who created the best looking bodies for the Bucklers, and I mean worldwide.
However, I am still no closer to getting any history of mine, and that is perplexing!
Somebody, somewhere, must know something of it!
To refresh what I know for sure;
English "90" chassis and suspension
Front half of the body de Joux, moulded in red, rear Mistral.
Was road registered,(66/67) took part in some sort of trip/tour South Island, date unknown.
Full height windscreen, brass surround, suspect it is Herald,
Engine etc unknown in the period.
Was used as the support for a potting table from around mid 70s to 2000, North Shore Auckland.

Said to be true but...
Crashed lightly in the Domain around 71, supposedly at a hillclimb, but nobody knows of any events there at that time.
May have been owned by someone around Remuera named Ayer or similar, airline or airforce connection.
And that's all I know!

[David McKinney]

Ferris never competed at any of the G.P. meetings.
He raced in the 1958 Ultimate-Ekco Handicap at the GP meeting, and was entered in sportscar races in both ensuing years, though I believe was a non-starter on both those occasions

[jim short]

I am prety sure he told me he had raced there .waiting a phone call to help

[stubuchanan]

My brother's lap chart for the 1958 Ultimate-Ekco Handicap Race.

De Joux is also shown as replacement driver for G Brown in same car in the Ken Wharton Trophy Sports Car Race, where he retired on lap 9 of 25.

http://s6.postimage.org/q5zsuwf3l/U_Ekco_Hcp_1958.jpg (http://postimage.org/)


Did he also race the Vanguard engined car as a saloon around 1960??

Stu

[GeebeeNZ]

Does anyone know whether W Harris was third in one of the MKV Bucklers or a Buckler 90 as this race doesnt feature in my list of MKV
Results. The winning Cooper driven by Darryl Jeffares is the one Graeme Brayshaw now owns.

[stubuchanan]

Does anyone know whether W Harris was third in one of the MKV Bucklers or a Buckler 90 as this race doesnt feature in my list of MKV
Results. The winning Cooper driven by Darryl Jeffares is the one Graeme Brayshaw now owns.

See Post #21 on this thread. Photo 3 on my post should be Rick Harris in same car one week after 1958 NZIGP at club circuit meeting.

Stu Buchanan

[Kwaussie]

J. Buza, the Champion of Hungary was entered.
Would be great to see a photo of this driver.

[jim short]

Thanks its great to be correct now and again he was a very take no bul__t at one stage he only dealt with 6 people in his trade

[David McKinney]

Did he also race the Vanguard engined car as a saloon around 1960??

He entered it in the sports and saloon handicap at Dunedin in 1960, but I don't know if he actually raced it

[jim short]

In 59 he was down to drive a Consul Sp. for some women ,the name escapes me,, Walker?? Pos. Keven will remember?

[David McKinney]

Yes, Mrs Isobel Walker

Vercoe suggests the car was a development of one of Gordon Brown's GBS efforts

[jim short]

Not so sure he only stood 5ft,2 but allways had a nice looking skirt with him!!!

[Oldfart]

Back to the real topic...
Another potential identifier for my car, was gold on at least one occasion, and of course the full windscreen, half and half well done body blend..

[jim short]

hey steady on Oldfart the real topic.. you rubish jaguars that have always been for the last 60yrs one of the worlds best loved cars won Le Mans and every mans dream,instead you go on about some old car that you dont even know its parents!!!I understand seeing its you first rebuild, but if you think you can sling off at my cars and escape ,think again .You can sling of at myself and thats quite ok but not my cars and notice Amco how rude he is towards me ?and all I said his boy takes after his Mum!!!!plus I have 2 new knees!!and I rode my 531 around Taupo when I turned 50 the next week I rode Hamilton to Whitianga a 160ks and 100ks

[stubuchanan]

Did he also race the Vanguard engined car as a saloon around 1960??

Stu

Answering my own question : Yes, he ran a 2171 cc de Joux in the Saloon Car Handicap race at the 1960 NZIGP meeting, trailing the whole field and completing only 7 of 8 laps.

Notes re other posts : was he de Joux or De Joux (refer TNF - David McK)

Jim Short - Ferris was a department store window designer/dresser by trade, so knowing what attracted the crumpet would be second nature?

Stu

[Oldfart]

hey steady on Oldfart the real topic.. you rubish jaguars that have always been for the last 60yrs one of the worlds best loved cars won Le Mans and every mans dream,instead you go on about some old car that you dont even know its parents!!!I understand seeing its you first rebuild, but if you think you can sling off at my cars and escape ,think again .You can sling of at myself and thats quite ok but not my cars and notice Amco how rude he is towards me ?and all I said his boy takes after his Mum!!!!plus I have 2 new knees!!and I rode my 531 around Taupo when I turned 50 the next week I rode Hamilton to Whitianga a 160ks and 100ks

Jeez Jim, you keep on telling us that your schooling was limited, but this thread, which I started was about 1 single car, a Buckler which I have asked the membership for info on.
It is you who has turned damned near every thread that you have written on into a Jag thread. Even the Dave Silcock thread turned into a general Jag one.
Just start a thread for Jags, which incidentally I like too, and then you can do whatever you like.
Likewise there was a thread titled Ferris de Joux, yet another who I admire, but that one has been left in the cold to distort this thread too.
By the way Jim, it is far from my first rebuild, probably closer to 50.

[jim short]

Gee thats teling me pleased you like Jags though, I dont know why but I was under the impression you had been a schoolteacher..I would be interested in the other cars you have rebuilt

[Oldfart]

Gee thats teling me pleased you like Jags though, I dont know why but I was under the impression you had been a schoolteacher..I would be interested in the other cars you have rebuilt

Actually was a teacher, till it became PC! I am not sure why that would preclude anyone from liking Jags though. Another ex teacher up this way who has quite a collection. Anyway, that's straying from the topic again.

[jim short]

Can always tell nurses and teachers.what about the other cars??

[Oldfart]

Will reply to this by PM, some things are not for public knowledge.

[jim short]

You will not believe this but only found messages and what would you expect never one to sneak around and if in doubt throw some fuel on the discussion ,PM means there is a note ,so sorry for not replying Ryes ,sorry have to go back to check spelling the book is avalable still at a greatly increased price but negotiation may help send Pm

[Oldfart]

Back to "my" Buckler!
I have today learned a bit more of its' history.
The first owner I know about purchased the engineless car from a large shed in Howick, mid to late 60s. It was pretty rough (still is) but interesting which could lead further is that it had been powered by a 2.4 Jag motor and box, and had been hillclimbed.
Does this ring any bells anywhere?

[David McKinney]

The only Jag-powered Buckler I've heard of in NZ was a DD2 which allegedly had a 3.4, and went back to the UK (Malcolm Buckler). Don't know when

[Oldfart]

The only Jag-powered Buckler I've heard of in NZ was a DD2 which allegedly had a 3.4, and went back to the UK (Malcolm Buckler). Don't know when
Not that one, it came here courtesy of Bruce Sutcliffe almost 15 + years later. Thanks anyway. In actual fact you have it wrong way round, it came here from Malcolm ex IOM and is now Climax powered and well used in NZ

[rogered]

one the subject of buckers, i see the cliff judd car on trade me

[David McKinney]

Lovely to see it on original wheels and especially a 'proper' AMW body (as we called them in the day) and not one of the modern versions

[Russ Cunningham]

one the subject of buckers, i see the cliff judd car on trade me

Rogered, they were called "Buggers" not "Buckers". May have gone by the name "Buckets" though. McKinney will remember.......he's considerably older than me.

[rogered]

Rogered, they were called "Buggers" not "Buckers". May have gone by the name "Buckets" though. McKinney will remember.......he's considerably older than me.

:)

[Oldfart]

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Time to drag this up again. Here is a photo as owned in 1971. Does this mean anything to anyone? It was purchased in the Howick area around that time.

[Lotus7Alfa]

At the risk of teaching grandparents to suck eggs and as there has been no mention of it, I suppose you know about this website http://www.bucklercars.com/buckler_archives.htm
<ducks and runs for cover>

[Oldfart]

At the risk of teaching grandparents to suck eggs and as there has been no mention of it, I suppose you know about this website http://www.bucklercars.com/buckler_archives.htm
<ducks and runs for cover>
Yes, and this car shows on that site too, but thanks, always good to have suggestions.