Who What and Where?

[David McKinney]

If I'm on the right track this will be prior to the 1956 NZ Grand Prix at Ardmore. Some of the International drivers cars.

VPA 9 is Tony Gaze HWM-Jaguar, next to Peter Whitehead"s Cooper-Jaguar, Reg Parnell's Aston Martin DB3S and the Maserati 250F should be the one Stirling Moss used to win the event.

One could only think this photo was staged for the likes of newspaper pre-event publicity.

Stephen

The DB3S will be one of the Kangaroo Stable cars - Tom Sulman's or David McKay's. Parnell's Aston Martin was the single-seater F1 prototype

[bry3500]

probably Ray Hare,builder of the Imperral...on the cover of NZ specials book by Vercoe...photo taken at Houghton Bay hill-climb

you guys are on to it - thanks, the folks at the NZ National Library would be impressed I reckon

[Cooper997]

Thanks for clearing that up David. That still Pommie rego plate sent me off on the wrong tangent.

Digging out McKay's first book 'Behind the Wheel' appears that OXE 472 shown in the NZ photo makes it his car. Sulman's appears to have been OXE 473 in UK rego terms.

bry3500, now you can give the NZ library the details.

Stephen

[Perry Holland]

you guys are on to it - thanks, the folks at the NZ National Library would be impressed I reckon

actually...to be accurate...the Imperral was built by Ian McRae in Taita originally with a motor-cycle power plant...Ray fitted the Imp motor. The car then passed into Terry Leighton's ownership

[jamie]

Hi Gang Pitc 490 second from left is the the cooper that Ken Smith and my Brother and I raced Ken with A gray block Holden and Brian and I with 2.4 & 3.8 Jags Jamie A

[bry3500]

who and what?

[GD66]

I have no basis for reference, but when that image flashed up, my mind said, "Digby Cooke".

[bry3500]

according to my caption - not Digby Cooke ;)

I have no basis for reference, but when that image flashed up, my mind said, "Digby Cooke".

[Oldfart]

Digby Taylor?

[bry3500]

not Digby Taylor

Digby Taylor?

[Rod Grimwood]

Baker, Nongataha (Rotorua)

[Oldfart]

Hi Rod, if you are right, what is the car? Not the Heron Mark 1 or 2.

[bry3500]

Hi Rod - Baker is not on the caption. Maybe he had the car at one point?
Baker, Nongataha (Rotorua)

[bry3500]

Dated 1975

[Rod Grimwood]

Is it uncle Jamie

Hi Bry, hope all good over there with you
cheers

[rf84]

Danie Lupp in the Rorstan?

[bry3500]

It's not Uncle Jamie ( but he might know) nor the Rorstan

All good over here Rod, missed you down at the Island this year :)
Is it uncle Jamie

Hi Bry, hope all good over there with you
cheers

[jamie]

Hi Gang the only one that pops into mind is Bob Moore from Whakatane in the ?? Rorstan JAMIE A

[rf84]

Garry Simkin has suggested Peter Slocombe in the PMS Climax?

[bry3500]

Not Peter Slocombe


Garry Simkin has suggested Peter Slocombe in the PMS Climax?

[bry3500]

here's another one

[GeebeeNZ]

here's another one

Its just a long shot but could it be Lionel Bulcraig in the Northland special or George Palmer in the Palmer Special same car different name.

[bry3500]

George Palmer Geebee :)

[Oldfart]

Definitely has the Palmer facial expressions

[GeebeeNZ]

George Palmer Geebee :)

It was great to see Fred Courtney still racing it at our Roycroft meeting earlier this month.

[David Manton]

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I believe this photo was taken near "the pits" at Mount Maunganui street race...sames meeting that Frank Matich raced his Team Total Lotus 19 and Brabham-Climax. Stories of the after-race functions were legendary...

[BMCBOY]

Here's an interesting shot from my collection - any takers on the driver?

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[ElCoyote]

Too easy

[John McKechnie]

My offer would be John Windlebourne?

[Bailey]

My offer would be John Windlebourne?

Rod Millen and the dirty doctor.

[BMCBOY]

Rod Millen and the dirty doctor.

Correct - for some reason, which escapes me now after all these years, Rod's car was not available so they used Robin's Statesman. It was pretty lively in the slippery conditions on those tyres and spent a lot of time understeering. The event was the Consortium Rally in 1974.

[Rod Grimwood]

Correct - for some reason, which escapes me now after all these years, Rod's car was not available so they used Robin's Statesman. It was pretty lively in the slippery conditions on those tyres and spent a lot of time understeering. The event was the Consortium Rally in 1974.


The Mazda was in GB for the RAC.

The Statesman became known as the 'bulldozer at speed' this day. Had to wind the idle right up after first stage as when Rod lifted off for corner it would stall, so he would be fighting it while 'Doc' lent over and turned key to restart,and when it started all of a sudden there was all the lock plus what was needed, it was a bit hair raising apparently.

That Statesman could tell a few stories, might share a couple later.

[Rod Grimwood]

Couple more from the day.

note, 'Doc' sitting nice and cosy so he can get to key and restart.

[seaqnmac27]

What may not be difficult but the where and when may be

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[stubuchanan]

Hmmm... Difficult.
White van in background with "Automobile Club de l'Ouest" suggests Le Mans, although surroundings are a maybe bit too hilly. Car 90 doesn't tally with any entry I can find from 1966-73, mostly numbers didn't run that high for the 24-hours. Deterioration of film colour is typical of that period. Likewise hair and clothing styles. Have to say I don't know!

Stu

[Powder]

Hmmm... Difficult.
Car 90 doesn't tally with any entry I can find from 1966-73,
Stu

That's because it was attempting to qualify for the 1981 race!

[bry3500]

Le Mans , McLaren M12 GT O5 (Trojan) , driven by Regout / Elkoubi

[seaqnmac27]

Le Mans , McLaren M12 GT O5 (Trojan) , driven by Regout / Elkoubi

Thats the bunny, I was very surprised it took so long for a McLaren to race at Le Mans, well it was longer as this one didn't.

[seaqnmac27]

who and what?

Any clues beyond 1975?

[bry3500]

Fiat powered

Any clues beyond 1975?

[stubuchanan]

That's because it was attempting to qualify for the 1981 race!

http://s6.postimg.org/8e7qvwr1t/Oh_Dear_Said_God.png (http://postimage.org/)

A familiar quote around our household when son was a University student (many years ago!)

Stu

[seaqnmac27]

Fiat powered

I have a vague recollection that Bob Homewood used a Fiat powerplant in a sports car. possibly the 1800 out of Glenn McIntyres 124?

[bry3500]

I'm not sure if Bob Homewood was involved or not. It's not him driving..

[225sloper]

Saw this on facebook,only info was Holman and Moody built maybe three of these falcons25146

[paul lancaster]

who and what?

Not sure of the driver bry, but looks like a matich roll hoop

[bry3500]

Not a Matich Paul :)

[bry3500]

Easy one - what?

[bry3500]

What?

[Bailey]

What?

John McCormack M23 in Canam guise

[bry3500]

Got it in one Bailey :)

[Racer Rog]

something Len Terry dreamed up?
Roger

[bry3500]

something Len Terry dreamed up?
Roger
No :)

[Terry S]

Easy one - what?

Amon Formula 1 car

[Terry S]

Easy one - what?

Amon Formula 1 car

[bry3500]

Got it Terry

Amon Formula 1 car

[Racer Rog]

Didn't Len have something to do with that? I have his book somewhere, with all his designs and dreams.
Roger

[bry3500]

I think Gordon Fowell designed the car, body work was by Tom Boyce. I could be wrong however Rog :)

Didn't Len have something to do with that? I have his book somewhere, with all his designs and dreams.
Roger

[Grant Ellwood]

RIP Len Terry, recently passed away at age 90.

[seaqnmac27]

Yep, 90, good innings.

[jamie]

Hi Bry.
Glen McIntyre.
In his Fiat engine sports car.
Jamie

[bry3500]

Ok Jamie I'll give the answer as no one has got it- Steve Clare in his Wilmac- Fiat

Hi Bry.
Glen McIntyre.
In his Fiat engine sports car.
Jamie

[jamie]

Good One Bry.
I was talking to one of the boys from Invercargill over the weekend about that car but still never put it together.
Jamie

[jonesy55red]

Hi Stu, what is the white car behind the Daimler, alongside Cullen? In front of the Hughes car is a Mistral. Keith Yeats is still a very handy peddler of an innocuous looking BMW on Targa events. (Assuming it's the same Yeats!)

Yes it's the same Keith Yeats. He and his Dad (Keith Yeats Snr) built the car.

[Rod Grimwood]

OK. Who is this, in what, where is fairly easy. year if are really good

Bit of a character this lad in days of past.

[ElCoyote]

The only good thing to come out of Rotovegas was our own Jamie but this is not him.

[Rod Grimwood]

There has been other good things El and even Jamie will back that, especially the latest bit of beauty and the beast, but more on that later on another thread.

Yep car was built in Rotorua, using numerous parts bought back from trip to States for season of Trans Am fun by some local lads.

Hint the person in seat is not from Rotorua/Taupo, in fact along way from home.

[John McKechnie]

If it was an open face helmet would we see a generous size soup strainer adorning the drivers upper lip?

[Rod Grimwood]

No John, but he had got into car they would not have got him out.

Pretty well known motorsport personality/driver, he had driven a Camaro before but little different to this one. (now that's shortened it down)

[rogered]

No John, but he had got into car they would not have got him out.

Pretty well known motorsport personality/driver, he had driven a Camaro before but little different to this one. (now that's shortened it down)

answer is easy, but the helmet has me second guessing the pilot

[bigbanger]

Brett Willis' Camaro Trans Am (built by his father Lindsay?).

[Rod Grimwood]

That's the car Bigbanger, now who is the chap in it. Roger don't get to hooked on the helmet, he raced/bullied us sometimes in another car. (V8)

Maybe more to point how did he get in it.

[rogered]

May be John osborne

[John McKechnie]

That's the car Bigbanger, now who is the chap in it. Roger don't get to hooked on the helmet, he raced/bullied us sometimes in another car. (V8)

Maybe more to point how did he get in it.
Where theres a will, theres a way.................

[Rod Grimwood]

You got him Roger.

Test day for the Willis team with nice new car that Lindsey and Brett have built from parts bought back from the trip to race in Trans Am in States and Ralph Mossman and his RX7/8

Mr Osborne turns up, now this is Taupo which is in the middle of the North Island and he resides in Christchurch which is in the middle of the South Island, and at the moment we have sorry arse people out there worried about being spied on.

Any way, this is not long after Oz has had his accident at Puke and won't drive a race car again. Well one invitation from Mr Willis and the photos tell the story.

Turns up and has a look

Don't ask him twice, look at the smile as he powers into the seat, the foot is still sore but the hip appears to be good. Lindsey Willis and a youthful Ralph watch on.

Then once in "now what do I do in this thing" then on comes that familiar Oz race face.

In and ready for a re-initiation to a race car.

Brett went down South with this car and won the OSCA championship. Car is still there apparently.

[John McKechnie]

Lovely story.
The yellow car behind then is the current John Telford RX7/8 - Fuchs Oil,?
He is entered next weekend in HSS at Icebreaker.

[Rod Grimwood]

Yes John that's the car and I have a great story about it written by Ralph that he sent to John Telford after he bought it with the history of car, parts, and build etc. I will try and get loaded as think it will be good read.

[Rod Grimwood]

OK, here is another from some ones collection of magazines/scrapbook.

Who Where and When would be good

[fullnoise68]

Any other clues would also be good Rod .....

[Rod Grimwood]

North Island and they would be pine trees in back ground back then

Went on to race a Escort ( fairly quick also)

Has son who races now (actually for along time)

[fullnoise68]

What about Don Halliday, Baypark 1968?

[45DCOE]

What about Don Halliday, Baypark 1968?

Stan Baird ?

[Rod Grimwood]

What about Don Halliday, Baypark 1968?

You got Bay Park but 69 was year

No not Don

Son started in F Ford, and then Pacifics, and then ?

That should help

[Rod Grimwood]

Come on, think.

Ok his son also raced touring cars, NZV8, and is well known for his exploits in Porche,, now that gives it away.

[John McKechnie]

Yeah Rod, like pulling teeth- Stan Baird-L&P Escort-, Craig Baird.

[Rod Grimwood]

Yeah Rod, like pulling teeth- Stan Baird-L&P Escort-, Craig Baird.

You got it John. On way down now, HD tomorrow and weekend, see you then mate.

[seaqnmac27]

Rod, Read post #581

[Jac Mac]

Please Mr Quizmaster, read post #581, !!:):) cant have John McK getting all the chocolate fish now!!

[ElCoyote]

Please Mr Quizmaster, read post #581, !!:):) cant have John McK getting all the chocolate fish now!!

45DCOE is seldom if ever wrong and he loves chocolate fish

[Rod Grimwood]

45DCOE is seldom if ever wrong and he loves chocolate fish

Did not even see his answer, sorry. But yep he got it in 1

[John McKechnie]

Gave the fish to rodgered for his prize.
Sure its gone by now.

[gokiwi]

No idea where when or who !!

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[gokiwi]

I think the speaker in the bottom picture is a "Yeomans" one.....

[jamie]

Timaru
Don't know the cars but the old Valiant looks a bit unhappy.

[Bryan]

Top pic is Mike Fitzgibbon Falcon in Pre-65s at Timaru, raced 84-86, according to a writeup in the August 2009 Pre-65 newsletter (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/78955019/newsletteraug2009). His son Peter races a Pre-65 Farina A40 today, according to a post on the Pre65SI Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/Pre65SI).

[spinner32]

I think the speaker in the bottom picture is a "Yeomans" one.....

gokiwi, you crack me up.LOL For the sake of the North Islanders. Dave Yeoman used to supply the sound systems to Ruapuna and Timaru race tracks and to the Ruapuna drags. He was about 95 not out, 5' 2" and 40 kilograms. Hunched over with this big shock of white hair. His vehicle was a 40's Chevvy panel van with the California bleached look paint, invariably with a couple of speakers stored on the top. I know the hot rodders used to give him a hard time about the van. rumour has it that he used to sleep in the back whenever he had his systems set up. A real icon from the late 70's, early 80's:

[Bryan]

gokiwi, you crack me up.LOL For the sake of the North Islanders. Dave Yeoman used to supply the sound systems to Ruapuna and Timaru race tracks and to the Ruapuna drags. He was about 95 not out, 5' 2" and 40 kilograms. Hunched over with this big shock of white hair. His vehicle was a 40's Chevvy panel van with the California bleached look paint, invariably with a couple of speakers stored on the top. I know the hot rodders used to give him a hard time about the van. rumour has it that he used to sleep in the back whenever he had his systems set up. A real icon from the late 70's, early 80's:

He also did the sound system at Wigram. Wouldn't be surprised if he attended more of them than most competitors. ;)

[khyndart in CA]

North Island and they would be pine trees in back ground back then

Went on to race a Escort ( fairly quick also)

Has son who races now (actually for along time)

I found this beauty waiting to take on the HoraHora hillclimb near Lake Karapiro. 1969.

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( Ken Hyndman )

[GD66]

That'd be the Mk 111 of Stan Baird, he used to race that before his Escort.

[ERC]

Can anyone please identify this for me?

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[rf84]

Buckler? Not a "Mistral"-they had 2 distinctive vents on the side of each front guard.

[Powder]

Can anyone please identify this for me?

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It might be a Tiki/Puma?
There's some discussion on them here from post 144 onwards:
http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?622-NZ-Cars-A-Cottage-Industry

[ERC]

Not 100% confirmed then! If it is any help, I think this pic was taken in Queenstown a few years ago. It was on private property so I didn't venture in, as I was with a group and I don't think they would have wanted to hang about, as we were on our way to a breakfast!

[Powder]

Not 100% confirmed then! If it is any help, I think this pic was taken in Queenstown a few years ago. It was on private property so I didn't venture in, as I was with a group and I don't think they would have wanted to hang about, as we were on our way to a breakfast!

I'm not sure if Patrick Harlow still visits this website.
If you send an email to the address at the bottom of this webpage he may be able to give you a definite answer.
http://www.constructorscarclub.org.nz/index.php?page=FORSALEPatHarlowsbook-NEWZEALANDMANUFACTUREDCARS-Acottageindustry

[khyndart in CA]

I know where this is ( Pukekohe ). When it was ( Oct 1969 )
But who is it ?
This proves that "drifting" back then was not nearly as exciting as it is today !
I have heard of "shrimp" fishing but I had never seen "Imp" fishing before ! ( Sorry it is late here in California !)

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(Ken Hyndman )

[Rod Grimwood]

It has Harrington Motors on back guard but don't think it is Roy. Others to play in here were Shack Manon in his mini, and Steve Millen in the Jaguar.

[Jac Mac]

Brian Patrick ( Brimar) IIRC, forget what the reason for the Harrington signwork was, perhaps Harrington borrowed the car for a meeting or two..

[jamie]

Hi Gang.
Jim Boyd in the Valour FF
Jamie A

[John McKechnie]

It has Harrington Motors on back guard but don't think it is Roy. Others to play in here were Shack Manon in his mini, and Steve Millen in the Jaguar.
Rod- in Motorman November 1971- Millen had gone in here. -Water was up to the door handles, drain was 3 foot 6 inches deep. Millen was the 5th car to go in here.

[rf84]

Bruce McLaren?

[Rod Grimwood]

John, Steve raced the Jaguar the next day after an all night rebuild, in fact may have beaten Jim that day, if not very close. Lyall Martin and Robin Irving (the doctor) panel and paint as much as possible while boys tidied up engine. About 4:30am finish. There was a lot of tape hidden by paint.

I was on infield during practice with Rod Millen watching from end of fence behind pits at hairpin end, watched out of hairpin, and over hill when there was a rev, screech, then silence and a huge shower of water and weed in the air. Weed actually landed on some cars in paddock. Reckon weed was still in air when Rod arrived and jumped in to help Steve, me close behind (20Mtrs). Out off ditch on to trailer and off to North Shore.

That car held the record from Toll Gates to Onewa overhead bridge for ages. Set one night on way home from Car Club (Stoddard Rd) turned heads rumbling down Dominion Rd onto Ponsonby Rd and bridge to Shore. Car Tests, now that's another thread sometime.

[John McKechnie]

Heat 1- Jim 2nd. Steve out with low pol pressure while 5th on 3rd lap.
Heat 2-Jim 3rd,Steve 4th.

[Steve Emson]

It must have been just after this incident. I was sitting in Dads XU1 and Steve came up to Dad and spoke with him through the drivers window. He inquired as to whether he could use Dads car in the race the next day.

[John McKechnie]

Steve- your Dad got 4th in the main race and 3rd in the Handicap the next day.

[Rod Grimwood]

Who is this meant to be, and in what,

Where shouldn't be too hard. They run Chevs as can be seen but were building a car for this person who now drives a lot of laps at Hampton Downs and some at Puke mostly in front of field.


Hard case story to this lot.

[Jac Mac]

Murphy

[Rod Grimwood]

not Murph,
it was actually a Roush body that the guy bought back from states to go onto a frame being built in Rotorua.
frame and body etc was sold to another well known Ford man who finished it off and ran it.

[John McKechnie]

George Snr?

[Rod Grimwood]

Yes John He ended up with and finished the car, the original bloke (who the joke was on) is the one we need. (in fact he is always acting the goat)

[Bailey]

Yes John He ended up with and finished the car, the original bloke (who the joke was on) is the one we need. (in fact he is always acting the goat)

The legend, Tony Rutherford

[Rod Grimwood]

You got it Bailey
Lindsay Willis was building a frame for Tony and of coarse the old Ford/Chev thing was full on. Tony never finshed the project and George Shewiery picked it up and got it done. George ran car for awhile and I think he may still have it.

[John McKechnie]

Was talking to Tony yesterday, "never owned a Chev, never will own one, and even if I did it would be hidden so no one knew I ever did own one."
I am sending him a bumper sticker- Friends never let friends drive Chevs

[SPman]

It has Harrington Motors on back guard but don't think it is Roy. Others to play in here were Shack Manon in his mini, and Steve Millen in the Jaguar. Didn't David Oxton go in in the SP250? I can recall someone going in in a Daimler. Harrington Motors on the car probably because he had some work done on the car by "Pappy"

[khyndart in CA]

I found this page from the 1969 NZGP programme showing entrants for the Group 5 Saloon car race. 0-1000 cc.
Note the 51 car is for Johnny Jones in a Hillman Imp.
Is this Johnny Jones in the creek ?

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(Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

Some big names have found this creek at Pukekohe,
and one of the first was Mr. B. McLaren himself !
As seen from this photo from the Eoin Young book ; Bruce McLaren, The Man and his Racing Team.

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(Ken Hyndman )

[stubuchanan]

Some big names have found this creek at Pukekohe,
and one of the first was Mr. B. McLaren himself !
As seen from this photo from the Eoin Young book ; Bruce McLaren, The Man and his Racing Team.

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(Ken Hyndman )

I remember watching it from the Hill. Bryan Thomas also went off there, didn't he, and didn't one or the other sideswipe the ambulance that was there for the first incident? Most folk went off on the inside of the track, but not these two.

Stu

[Allan]

Dave Jury also?

[Lurker]

Dave Jury also?

Vince Anderson ended up in the creek also

[Shano]

Shack Manon went in there in his mini - tripped right on the edge after a long slide and went in roof-first. Most impressive splash I have ever seen and it squashed the roof down to the bottom of the windows. Could have been very nasty because the creek was running high after days of rain and Shack could easily have drowned.

I've got a good photo of the car in the creek but I can't upload it - the upload box just tells me the photobucket file name is wrong (it's not). Quite frustrating.

[Rod Grimwood]

Stu, creek was on inside and bank on outside. Shack Manons young fella Bruce had a real quick Escort (still does) and did not follow dads foot steps and go inside when ditch was there but claimed the bank as his, and did eventually go inside but after the concrete wall was put there and gave Mr Short a nudge at same time.

[stubuchanan]

Stu, creek was on inside and bank on outside. Shack Manons young fella Bruce had a real quick Escort (still does) and did not follow dads foot steps and go inside when ditch was there but claimed the bank as his, and did eventually go inside but after the concrete wall was put there and gave Mr Short a nudge at same time.

Yes. Thomas and Bruce McLaren went off on someones oil on the previous bend, now that I think harder about it. First, Thomas hit the fence and a parked car or two behind it and then McLaren went off into the ditch a lap or two later after clipping the ambulance.

I remember Shack Manon's effort. He used to run "Takapuna Mobile Fruit Supply" when I was a young lad, do you remember that? His photo was in the Star the next Monday. His son Bruce seemed to be trying to show the old man how it should be done at the NZFMR races in 2010, hanging the tail out over the hill on a damp track in the Escort!

As for Jim Boyd and the Valour, I have a very short 8mm film clip of his dive into the ditch at the 1964 GP meeting, must try to get it converted to some other format or still pics. Jim had several "offs" in that car, the celebrated steering wheel effort at Waimate, and another at Pukekohe in Feb 1964. See dodgy colour slide below. Don't know what he hit or where, but both ends were damaged.

http://s6.postimg.org/6z1rljqlt/Valour_Hors_de_Combat.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/p1uucrmgd/full/)

Stu B

[Rod Grimwood]

Remember the Veg truck Stu, Lived in Northboro Rd, Hauraki Corner and Blue Bedford that covered the Devonport-Takapuna-Milford area each week. He did this for years. Shack also had a mint Red Falcon GT as well and it only came out on some very sunny days. (wonder what happened to it/or may still have it tucked away) must ask Bruce.
Another thing about Shack, was that big smile and pleasantness about him, a real gentleman.

[Grant Sprague]

Some big names have found this creek at Pukekohe,
and one of the first was Mr. B. McLaren himself !
As seen from this photo from the Eoin Young book ; Bruce McLaren, The Man and his Racing Team.

26190 Wonder if the cooper got a gulp fill of water ???? looks a bit low in h2o....... ........................

(Ken Hyndman )Wonder if the cooper got a gulp full of h20 looks like its in up to the neck ??

[Rod Grimwood]

They were 'water cooled' engines Grant.

[Grant Sprague]

ye through the carbs lol :confused:

[rf84]

Was talking to a guy this morning who is beginning to restore a Triumph Dolomite Sprint.
The conversation soon got around to racing and I told him I remembered seeing one racing in the 70's. Maybe Levin? Think the driver may have had a double (hyphenated) back name and may have been from the Wellington area. Anyone remember his name?

[Milan Fistonic]

Was talking to a guy this morning who is beginning to restore a Triumph Dolomite Sprint.
The conversation soon got around to racing and I told him I remembered seeing one racing in the 70's. Maybe Levin? Think the driver may have had a double (hyphenated) back name and may have been from the Wellington area. Anyone remember his name?

There was a Donald Dawson racing a Dolly at Levin in October 1975.

[Powder]

Was talking to a guy this morning who is beginning to restore a Triumph Dolomite Sprint.
The conversation soon got around to racing and I told him I remembered seeing one racing in the 70's. Maybe Levin? Think the driver may have had a double (hyphenated) back name and may have been from the Wellington area. Anyone remember his name?

At the 'Splashe 200 Meeting' at Manfeild, Feb'75, there was an 1850cc Dolomite entered by Kerim Automotive (Masterton). Driving duties were to be shared by Ron Condon & Norman Hintz.... but it's not a Sprint, and it's not from Wellington, and it's not racing at Levin.... so it's probably not it. :)

[BMCBOY]

At the 'Splashe 200 Meeting' at Manfeild, Feb'75, there was an 1850cc Dolomite entered by Kerim Automotive (Masterton). Driving duties were to be shared by Ron Condon & Norman Hintz.... but it's not a Sprint, and it's not from Wellington, and it's not racing at Levin.... so it's probably not it. :)

I'm not sure if this Russ Abbott car was a genuine Sprint - I believe they had a different front badge than this

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[Bryan]

I'm not sure if this Russ Abbott car was a genuine Sprint - I believe they had a different front badge than this

26679

Front badge had "Sprint" under "Triumph". Sprint also had the gearbox and rear axle from the "big" 2500 saloons and TR sports cars, rather than the Herald-derived units shared with the Marina and Spitfire (and prone to breaking with more than 100bhp).

If only we could read the rego plate IL9??9...

[gokiwi]

Does this help?

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[BMCBOY]

If only we could read the rego plate IL9??9...

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[Marty]

I think Robbie Francevic raced a Dolomite Sprint a couple of times. It was white.

At the time I thought it was pretty neat.... probably still would.

[Bryan]

If only we could read the rego plate IL9??9...

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Plate search returns "not found", must have been written off a long time ago.:(

There's an entry for R W Abbott Ltd on oldschool.co.nz, by Trevor Evans who worked there 79-82, with this under "memories"

Served the first three years of my apprenticeship here.
Boss; Russ Abbott
Ted Lilly
Gary Rae
Morris Turner
Kevin Hitchcliff
Kurt DeCoster
Arron ?
Murry White took over the place

[Milan Fistonic]

Just need the "who" for this one. It's from a magazine called Jetset and was published in 1980.

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[fullnoise68]

Mike Pero.

[John McKechnie]

Is this a tricycle.................

[Rod Grimwood]

No Steve, the two on the back silly boy. Like to see this photo re-inacted today with same stars, then maybe you would need a trike John

[Kevin Hirst]

No Steve, the two on the back silly boy. Like to see this photo re-inacted today with same stars, then maybe you would need a trike John

Would like to see a photo of the same three today, no maybe not.

[Grant Sprague]

I think you might be right Kevin ........lol

[Rod Grimwood]

1972 May Ruapuna
One for you John boy.

Found these in scrapbook, think they came from 'Driver' magazine of the day. it was a good mag.

[Rod Grimwood]

1972 May Timaru

Know the Viva

not sure on Escort and know Mini

[Rod Grimwood]

Same meeting Timaru

Know these 3 but please comfirm.

Had to put photo of Anglia in this would be one of the most viewed photo of all time.

[Jac Mac]

Paul Kirk in the Viva Olds/Buick, Blair Paton in the Escort?, Lin Neilson in the Mini.
1972 May Timaru

Know the Viva

not sure on Escort and know Mini

[Jac Mac]

Wayne Fuller in Escort. McCoomb /Hargraves in Cortina [McCoomb at wheel], Dickie in Anglia. Neilson again in the Mini.
Same meeting Timaru

Know these 3 but please comfirm.

Had to put photo of Anglia in this would be one of the most viewed photo of all time.

[Jac Mac]

Looks like Lyall Williamson at wheel of the Z28, never seen a pic of him driving in anger tho, could be wrong!
1972 May Ruapuna
One for you John boy.

Found these in scrapbook, think they came from 'Driver' magazine of the day. it was a good mag.

[Rod Grimwood]

Paul Kirk in the Viva Olds/Buick, Blair Paton in the Escort?, Lin Neilson in the Mini.


thanks Jac Mac thought you would know, yes clicked on Paul Kirk and Viva (must have been very new here)
Blair Paton is the name for the Escort, and of coarse Lin in the Mini.

[Rod Grimwood]

Wayne Fuller in Escort. McCoomb /Hargraves in Cortina [McCoomb at wheel], Dickie in Anglia. Neilson again in the Mini.

Yep you got them. That was a good looking Cortina.

[Rod Grimwood]

Looks like Lyall Williamson at wheel of the Z28, never seen a pic of him driving in anger tho, could be wrong!

No not Mr Williamson, actually came from other side of Cook Straight.

[Spgeti]

Grady Thompson......he did own it and the car is still alive and well

[Jac Mac]

Is that from your side or mine of Cook Straight??!:).
No not Mr Williamson, actually came from other side of Cook Straight.

[Rod Grimwood]

Is that from your side or mine of Cook Straight??!:).

Just on North side Jac

Spgeti has it. Grady Thompson. That's good that the car is all well. It must have been a one off run.

[Spgeti]

She had 14 owners I think from memory before my then brother in law bought the car, circa 1979. 302 had gone and replaced with 350 and was no longer silver but red. It was the write up test car for one of the then magazines 1970. The sister car (white) lives down in the Manawatu to a good friend.

[Rod Grimwood]

Good stuff, great to hear of these cars with good owners.

[seaqnmac27]

An interesting one, had no idea he had driven it.

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[Trevor Sheffield]

If only we could read the rego plate IL9??9...

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My Mac clearly discloses the rego number as IL9429

[Rod Grimwood]

Is it a 'Corsair' or something like that name. Basically a Cortina but body shape rounded.
If so I will go for 1st guess at Jim Clark

Then again it maybe Alpha or ??? pass

[Jac Mac]

Isuzu Bellet, think I read somewhere or saw pic of Leo Leonard driving one, always reckoned they would be good pre 65 basis, few more were raced in Aussie, maybe where this one comes from.

An interesting one, had no idea he had driven it.

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[Spgeti]

Isuzu Bellet 1600GT. Innes Motors in Kamo were the agents for Isuzu and the princple owned a yellow one. They were a little different in the back window treatment and were 2 door. This must just be a standard saloon which would be 1500 cc

[John McKechnie]

Also all GM agents had a parts book for them.
They were a neat little car, I got my drivers licence in one.
Aussies loved them, not exactly a GM-H but still a GM

[Rod Grimwood]

You got it I reckon Jac Mac

[seaqnmac27]

right car, but wrong country, 1st clue, its 1965

[Spgeti]

Finland.....rallying ??

[seaqnmac27]

no and no

[seaqnmac27]

Definitely circuit racing with a very famous driver

[seaqnmac27]

Definitely circuit racing with a very famous driver

[Jac Mac]

Is Colin Bond famous enough?

[seaqnmac27]

no, Jack he is not. Its not an Australian.

[seaqnmac27]

And john, it was not GM until 1972-3

[RogerH]

Bruce McLaren - Goodwood Easter 1965

Actually didn't race it but drove it in practice.

[seaqnmac27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5vLPs7A-w

[seaqnmac27]

Yep I was very surprised. Apparently it dropped a piston

[Oldfart]

I thought this whole site would know it was a Bellett! My Mum had a new one for a test for a couple of days. The only reason she did not buy it was cos she didn't like the bench seat. It went really well, I was impressed, always had a soft spot for them
Pre 65 with twin cam Piazza (bolts straight in)?

[Jac Mac]

I thought this whole site would know it was a Bellett! My Mum had a new one for a test for a couple of days. The only reason she did not buy it was cos she didn't like the bench seat. It went really well, I was impressed, always had a soft spot for them
Pre 65 with twin cam Piazza (bolts straight in)?

Doesnt sound like you to tweak the rulebook like that, was that pre 65 Piazza head a GC inspiration?
Kicked myself as soon as I saw the Bruce McLaren bit, watched that parade on TV. Guess the old age axiom is true, cant remember what I did 2 months ago, but 30 years is no problem!

[seaqnmac27]

From memory David Brabham drove it in the St Marys trophy as well. Its owned by a couple in Sydney.

[Oldfart]

Doesnt sound like you to tweak the rulebook like that, was that pre 65 Piazza head a GC inspiration?
Kicked myself as soon as I saw the Bruce McLaren bit, watched that parade on TV. Guess the old age axiom is true, cant remember what I did 2 months ago, but 30 years is no problem!

If you don't know the rules you can make comments like that! I have known about the swapability (how about that for a new word) of Isuzu stuff for donkeys. Never thought to mention it to him, maybe I should ask tomorrow! Barry has a coupe if you didn't know, which I guess you did.

[Jac Mac]

If you don't know the rules you can make comments like that! I have known about the swapability (how about that for a new word) of Isuzu stuff for donkeys. Never thought to mention it to him, maybe I should ask tomorrow! Barry has a coupe if you didn't know, which I guess you did.

No, Barry has always been a little reluctant to tell me what he's up to, always wants to know what I am doing but with the above mentioned convenient memory loss I cant help him!!

[seaqnmac27]

Now one from the nz f5000 page on Facebok, I know who i think it is, however I cannot find any supporting information except a single program entry to prove it Rod knows who I think, any takers

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[GD66]

#152 was the number Leo Leonard carried on that unusual orange Begg F5000 with the ordinary nose that I think was built from a sports car : maybe it's that car with a different snout ? Doesn't look like Leo at the helm, though...

[seaqnmac27]

Well, my thoughts based on 3 things helmet, program listing and comments in an annual regarding the 1972/3 Gold Star series regarding 'handling problems' is Neil Doyle and his Begg FM2. I know it ended up with a 'Tyrell-like" nose cone. But thats just a guess

[Jac Mac]

In no order of preference, Laurence Brownlie, Russell Thompson, Pierre Phillips, Geoff Mardon, Neil Doyle.
Im leaning toward Doyle, but I think I have read a post somewhere from Russell Thompson himself, possibly on this site where he had raced one of the 5000 Begg cars but was not given credit for it. If its Laurence Brownlie its the early Begg Daimler with motor from sports car ( McBegg- oops that's wrong ).... you guys can work it out:)

[Oldfart]

In no order of preference, Laurence Brownlie, Russell Thompson, Pierre Phillips, Geoff Mardon, Neil Doyle.
Im leaning toward Doyle, but I think I have read a post somewhere from Russell Thompson himself, possibly on this site where he had raced one of the 5000 Begg cars but was not given credit for it. If its Laurence Brownlie its the early Begg Daimler with motor from sports car ( McBegg).... you guys can work it out:)
Wasn't that the motor from the previous sports car before the McBegg?

[Jac Mac]

Wasn't that the motor from the previous sports car before the McBegg?

Oops, YES my mistake, the motor from the McBegg had tossed its Harmonic Balancer at a Timaru meet on way back from the NZ Land Speed record runs.

[Allan]

I don't think it is a FM2 as they had a flat top roll hoop and were as I recall quite slab sided.

[Allan]

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[GD66]

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Beggs across the front row at Ruapuna 1971 : Doyle and Leonard in FM2s, and Mardon in the FM4.

[GD66]

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Leonard in the Begg I was referring to earlier. Certainly the exhausts look the same.

[seaqnmac27]

The Doyle FM2 with 'Tyrell' nose 1972/3

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[GD66]

I think that is McRae in the GM1 with Duckhams livery at Bay Park.

As I recall Doyle's Tyrell nose was on his Surtees.

[GD66]

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[John H]

No that is the Alan Rollinson car that McRea took for a blast as there seemed to be a problem with it.

[seaqnmac27]

Ok, sorry, made an assumption. Here is Doyle's Begg on the outside of the front row of what I assume to be Ruapuna, round 3 of the 72/3 Gold Star, a change that took place between rounds 1 and 2, I quote from round 2 at Pukekohe 12/11/72 ...while Neil Doyle managed to coax his old FM2, now Tyrell nosed, Begg into third to make it an all-Begg finish.
From round 3 at Ruapuna 19/11/72 ... Neil Doyle's good luck deserted him and the Begg FM2 suffered from chronic handling problems and overheating causing a pit stop and several 'moments'...
and if I had fully read the report from Bay Park 31/12/72
McRae was driving Alan Rollinson's car experimenting with a Tyrell nose in practise and finding all sorts of problems with it and the car generally, as his own car was late arriving for the Tasman Series.

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[GD66]

Good stuff, yes I do recall that nose on Doyle's Begg now.

Pretty big crowd in at Ruapuna for a Gold Star meeting !

[seaqnmac27]

The only hint from Gavin Shaw's photograph was Teretonga, so I looked at the F5000 entry list from 30/1/72 and found Neil Doyle in the FM2 #152

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[seaqnmac27]

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[AMCO72]

Definately a Jaguar special.....based on an XK150 by the looks......and definately not NZ.

[seaqnmac27]

Very close, I did not expect such a quick response, its a Zagato XK150 This is XK140

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[bry3500]

Who What Where

[Oldfart]

British speedway midget.

[bry3500]

British speedway midget.

On the right track, driver is well known for racing on 2 wheels. Born in Hobart but a Kiwi at heart.

[khyndart in CA]

THE ALLARD ATOM, THE WORLD’S SMALLEST RACE CAR.
Driver; Ronnie Moore.
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(Ken H )

[bry3500]

well done Ken!

[khyndart in CA]

I found this interesting article regarding the 1955 Allard Atom race car.

https://chromjuwelen.com/network/228-blog-hemmings/211932-in-praise-of-the-allard-atom-the-worlds-smallest-race-car

Bry3500, Thanks for bringing it to our attention..

(Ken H)

[bry3500]

Great article - cheers Ken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hdb7g-wus

[khyndart in CA]

I certainly know where I was when I took these two "Box Brownie" photos.
One coming and one going away.
But I am not quite sure if it is Dave Simpson in the Cambridge Team BMW and perhaps Gary Sprague in his Escort + the Alan Boyle Mini ?
So if someone can fill in the who and when, I would be most grateful.

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(K Hyndman photos..sorry they are not up to everyone else's standards.)


(Ken H)

[Peter M]

Roger Anderson raced a BMW after racing a Mini. I am sure he was one in the Cambridge Racing Team.

[khyndart in CA]

Thanks Peter,
that probably would be Roger Anderson and the rest of the puzzle continues such as the others in the pics and when etc..