Who What and Where?

[jim short]

It looks a bit like Kennards cortina but dont think he was no 28

[MP54]

Thought it may have been, was it a red car (Hustler in the V8 Mk1)

Talk of Rex i need a contact if you have one. Cheers

Hi Rod, I emailed Pat a of few years ago but can't find that address.





I was thinking it looks a bit like a mk1 escort but with box type flares.

Rod, if you get hold of Rex ask him about this pic as he was pretty happy that Carl had caught the action.

[Oldfart]

Lots of private info there! Might pay to check with them before posting this much.

[Rod Grimwood]

Rex would not mind, and thats why i need to contact him as he will have a container full of photos, and information.

Known him a little while, he still holds the Rally car lap record of Baypark, V8 Chevette. I believe he has the original car back. He is in Aussie.

[markec]

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[woody]

Jamie A. Pukekohe.

[bry3500]

Haha ..the answer is in the caption, but I just had to post this

[markec]

I thought something from 1964 would have taken a little longer to answer, especially correctly.There were 2 Aislabie's in the results that day.

[stirlingmac]

Daryl son of Sam ...they lived round the corner from me...man I was so jealous of him having that kart.Think it was called "The NAC Flyer."

[David McKinney]

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And the "what" is the ART Special (which might have been the BMC Special that day...)

[markec]

The caption with the photo says it is the BMC special, for obvious reasons I excluded the text.

[AMCO72]

Wasn't this racing at the Roycroft festival as the BMC special. Went damn well. Could have been a look alike though.

[jamie]

Hi gang OOPS yes that was A big hit, that car orignaly had A ford 10 E 93 A in it 4 speed DX Vaxhall box Singer 9 Diff, and was built in New Plymouth by Norm Dodunski .We put the 1500 BMC in it when the old ford was not fast enufh that car is now in England . When little brother bought the Cooper Holden of Ken Smith we named our team ART [ Aislabie Racing Team ] Jamie

[Rod Grimwood]

Jamie, Seem to remember you in a similar sitting position in another car a few years later on front straight Puke when it rained and you got the BIG aquaplane on down front straight before the old pit road crossing and away she went, down track over start line and it looked slow motion (but was not) from were we stood and went for ages down the track-grass-then the wooden fence. Don't know how you felt, but i sH!& myself.

[David McKinney]

When little brother bought the Cooper Holden of Ken Smith we named our team ART [ Aislabie Racing Team ] Jamie
They were your cars, Jamie, but I'm sure I can remember a badge saying 'Auckland Racing Team'????

[jamie]

Morning Gang, yes the infamous red umbrella race good old Lurie got himself in such a fluster that he waved his RED Brolley as I soley slid of the track the slide was fin BUY THE STOP not cool.No dave it was always called the AISLABIE RACING TEAM dear old DAD hade the badges made in 1964 . Jamie

[David McKinney]

I should know by now my memory's not to be trusted:)

[markec]

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[Oldfart]

A couple with Paul Fahey and the Heron?

[GeebeeNZ]

Johny Riley and Rod Coppins with Paul Fahey. Iwould say it could also be Fahey on the bike.

[markec]

You guys are too sharp, pretending to be of fading memory, the accompaniment of advancing years, you've been conning us.Riley,Coppins Fahey at the launch of Ray Stones new tuning center in Manurewa.1964.
Fahey at the Ilse of Man 1956 on a Machless.
The first outing of the Ross Baker Heron.

[GD66]

Paul had two dnfs at the Isle of Man, but scored 2 points for a 5th in the Dutch TT at Assen that season.
The bike's a Matchless G45.

[stubuchanan]

Hi gang OOPS yes that was A big hit, that car orignaly had A ford 10 E 93 A in it 4 speed DX Vaxhall box Singer 9 Diff, and was built in New Plymouth by Norm Dodunski .We put the 1500 BMC in it when the old ford was not fast enufh that car is now in England . When little brother bought the Cooper Holden of Ken Smith we named our team ART [ Aislabie Racing Team ] Jamie

Sorry for being a couple of days behind the game, but is this the same car? A well-known journalist had doubts a year or two ago.

http://s6.postimage.org/jju4ykc4x/Ararimu_65_ART_BMC001.jpg (http://postimage.org/)


Stu Buchanan

[markec]

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[pallmall]

Jim Boyd?

[David McKinney]

Sorry for being a couple of days behind the game, but is this the same car? A well-known journalist had doubts a year or two ago.

I withdraw any reservations I might have had:)

[Oldfart]

Jim Boyd, Buckler Mk5 or is it 6 (wheelbase being the difference) at Dunedin 1955
The original ownership papers for this car show the model as MkV/1, just looked!
As a slight aside, Jim drove this car with wife and son aboard on the "circuit" of events from Auckland and back. In front of the screen is a hatch and luggage storage which is where the tent, clothes etc went. Only maintenance is said to be valve adjustment, although other sources say the jets were changed for the race meetings.

[markec]

Its in the article as a Buckler Mk 1, in 1956 he was 3rd overall in the Dunedin street race, the photo was taken at the McGregor foundry corner.

[GeebeeNZ]

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Markec I love that photo of Jim in the two wheel Buckler. I also have a line drawing of it on a tea shirt. Jim was in the first NZ Buckler in 1955, the white one in the photo and the following year took the supercharged one. The two cars were at Hampton Downs last year carrying their numbers from that famous Ohakea photo of the 1956 grid. They look similar from the front but the tails are quite different. Graeme

[markec]

Thanks for that Graeme, I was an 8 year old living in Alexandra back then, speed boats was the only form of motorized competition in that area back then.Much of the postings I do are from early magazines, so the history surrounding those images are outside my knowledge area.
Mark.C.
I will send you a PM.

[markec]

Thats not the first McRae single seater is it?, post #58

[GeebeeNZ]

Thats not the first McRae single seater is it?, post #58

No Mark the one I had was an Errol Norris chassis with Hillman Avenger motor. I see its for sale on the HRSCC website http://www.hrscc.co.nz/classifieds.html The current owner has done wonders with it compared to how it was when dragged out of Ron Roycrofts shed.

[markec]

I have been looking for period images of the McRae S! with no luck.

[Oldfart]

Geebee has picked up on the McRae U2 whereas you asked about the single seater.
I have a photo yet to be scanned of the U2 type car in Matamata about 65/66, but bad ones of the singleseater which show nothing, and then from far away.

[jamie]

Hi STUE I am A bit late bit haseld last week, yes that is JAMIEthe same car at that hileclimb it had the Ford ten with supercharger .
JAMIE A

[markec]

I've sent you another PM Oldfart, my mailbox was full, I didn't realise that sent messages were kept and they had fulled up the box, could you mail me again please.

[markec]

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[markec]

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[jim short]

Rebuilt 750 Monza{2bubles in bonet} not original at elbow puke ???and Kevens vangard De Joux???

[markec]

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[pallmall]

I am tempted to say Johnny Riley for the Monza (Corvette), but it dose not look like him, so Bill Thomasen.
Brabaham TC is Andy Buchanan.
Minis turned over quite often, so could be anyone although I suspect an Inwood photo that I have probably seen before. Tony Glbertson?

[markec]

John Riley before he got the D type, the mini is from a Northern car club hillclimb at Paparimu.Andy Buchanan is correct as is Keith Lamb's Vanguard based special.
I think I'll give up this game as the members are too clever.

[GD66]

Maybe if you change your pic titles before posting, Mark ?

Still great to see stuff from this era, so please keep 'em coming mate. :)

[pallmall]

Maybe if you change your pic titles before posting, Mark ?

Still great to see stuff from this era, so please keep 'em coming mate. :)

I didn't even notice that! I am still not convinced its Riley though.

[jim short]

May be thomerson {Bill} in Monza

[David McKinney]

Pretty sure it's Riley in the Monza-Corvette. I think the photo was published in Motorman at the time

[markec]

The caption with the Monza photo says it was John Riley not long before he acquired the D type. The upturned Mini belongs to Roger Harrington. Thats all from me.

[markec]

I hadn't noticed that the titles I give the postings are visible when the curser is hovered over the pic.

[David McKinney]

Riley did own the D-type, but never raced it, buying a Lola Mk1 instead

Roger Harrington will be the man more familiarly known as Roy Harrington

[Oldfart]

I never realised that Roy Harrington, more known as an Imp man dabbled with Minis, perhaps we now know why!

[bob homewood]

Yes and Roy played with Morrie Minors before that

[jim short]

In the early days at Ardmore Harrington Morris Minor and John Windlburn Ausin a30 were the guns..On a very sad note Neil Cunningham has mns ? I met him at Taupo about ten yrs ago then at Puke he spent a day on the hill in my Motorhome ,the cars he was driving at Le Mans ect. amazed me D Types Astons,, he was stunt driver in James Bond as well a few weeks later a package of lovely photos D Types he was driving arrived recently was with Top Gear,another D Type driver Win Percy another real nice chap was last i have heard was in a wheelchair caused by a disc being removed from his back {they removed the wrong one!!!} about two yrs ago now hopfully he is recovering

[Rod Grimwood]

OK, Been awhile. can we get all three.

[jim short]

only one image so far your mate fastest man in an Austin A 35 at Ardmore always last out onto the track in later yrs John Windlburn

[Rod Grimwood]

You got him Jim, Talking with Fred Courtney the other day and he gave me the photo, his comment "it is so close to not coming back" and that WAS full lock. May spend some time with Fred and put a history of the car together. John took the V8 out and put it in a coupe apparently.
Note the safety. Nice sunglass's

[Steve Holmes]

Wow, that photo is fricken awesome!

[stubuchanan]

You got him Jim, Talking with Fred Courtney the other day and he gave me the photo, his comment "it is so close to not coming back" and that WAS full lock. May spend some time with Fred and put a history of the car together. John took the V8 out and put it in a coupe apparently.
Note the safety. Nice sunglass's

Was he getting ready to jump? That looks like his right knee sticking out just under the mirror on left of photo. Where and when is it? Mid 60's somewhere up in Northland?

Stu

[Oldfart]

Rod, check out the post I put in on the Northland special, it also appeared in Historic racing mag. It may give you a starting point!

[Rod Grimwood]

Stu, apparently it was a hillclimb at PuhiPuhi north of Whangarei in Northland, John lived in Maungatoroto and it was around north of there.

[jamie]

Looks like a real hand full Jamie

[bry3500]

Teretonga 1958 - who?

[jim short]

Salvadori or John buza or ??

[bry3500]

Looks like Bandini Jim.. but was he at Teretonga 1958? Don't think so. This pic is posted around the net as Bruce McLaren, but it sure isn't him.

[jim short]

yes i just thought i deleted Bandini even thoigh it looks like him dark in blue ??

[jim short]

looks like teratonga ??

[bry3500]

results for the 1958 race
Result
Driver Nat Car / Engine Laps Time
1 Ross Jensen NZ Maserati 250F / Maserati 2497cc 6cyl 40 49m 19.1s
2 Bruce McLaren NZ Cooper T43 / Climax 1750cc 4cyl 40 49m 36.1s
3 Jack Brabham Aust Cooper T43 / Climax 1960cc 4cyl 39
4 Merv Neil NZ Cooper T39 / Climax 1498cc 4cyl 38
5 Ron Roycroft NZ Ferrari 375 / Ferrari 4493cc V12
6 Archie Scott-Brown UK Lister 57/1 / Jaguar 3781cc 6cyl
7 Ernie Sprague NZ Maserati 4CLT-48 / Maserati 1498cc 4cyl s/c
Pat Hoare NZ Ferrari 625 / Ferrari 2996cc 4cyl
Syd Jensen NZ Cooper Mk X / Norton 515cc 1cyl
Dick Gibson UK Cooper T43 / Climax 1496cc 4cyl
Doc Langley NZ Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl
Ken McMillan NZ Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl
Bill Gerrard NZ Gerrard 90 / Austin 3459cc 6cyl
Ian Mackellar NZ Cooper T39 / Climax 1098cc 4cyl
Bruce Wood NZ Staride 52 / JAP 497cc 1cyl
Ret Frank Cantwell NZ Tojeiro 3/56 / Jaguar 3442cc 6cyl 32 Accident
Ret Ron Frost NZ Cooper T41 / Climax 1498cc 4cyl 28 Spun
DNS Johnny Buza NZ HWM / Alta 1960cc 4cyl s/c
DNS Reg McCutcheon NZ Normac Special / Chevrolet 3870cc 6cyl
DNS R G Levick

[bry3500]

Johnny Buza could be a good call Jim

[bry3500]

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[bry3500]

Can anyone confirm Johnny Buza?

[David McKinney]

I'm in the Bandini camp, especially as I don't recall many sets of 'Dunlop blue' overalls as far back as 1958. It was still usually t-shirts then

Johnny Buza was more round-faced, and probably a bit older

[bry3500]

Thanks David...The guy who owns these pics found the slides in a rubbish dump. They are listed as from Teretonga 1958 . Was Bandini there? I can't find any reference to him being there. I will post the other slides..

[bry3500]

Looks a lot like the guy with his foot on the Cooper - I have done some digging. Maybe these shots were from different years. The Archie Scott Brown pic from 58, The other pics from 61 - 62 when Bandini was in NZ :)

[jim short]

Yes my money is on Bandini

[jim short]

Just love the shot of Archie and Lister all dusty makes me feel at home

[stubuchanan]

Looks a lot like the guy with his foot on the Cooper - I have done some digging. Maybe these shots were from different years. The Archie Scott Brown pic from 58, The other pics from 61 - 62 when Bandini was in NZ :)

Hmmm. Have to agree with the Teretonga 1962 theory. I mean, where would you find a 1961 Cooper back in 1958? Not Teretonga for sure. Men's fashion seems to have changed quite a bit in 4 years, too. No more business shirts and panama hats.

Stu

[bry3500]

The photos were kindly supplied by Rab.G.P.Lewin - the other pics seem to be a mixture as well

[Chris Read]

The photos were kindly supplied by Rab.G.P.Lewin - the other pics seem to be a mixture as well

In another post I mentioned my permanent number '19' and how I gave it away to Gavin to put back on this (and then his) car for originality - Gavin you never gave it back!!!! - Chris Read - Arrowtown.
ps its ok as am used to #95 now.

[David McKinney]

Fairly obviously a mix of 1958 (Scott-Brown, Roycroft Ferrari) and 1962 (Bandini, Brabham and Moss Coopers etc). Both lots Teretonga

[jim short]

I think Pat Hoare used no 19 as well

[David McKinney]

Yes he did, at which point Roycroft switched back to 88

[jim short]

What race did he use 88??

[rogered]

well before my time, but would 1958 be a little bit early for bandini? (But i do agree that was my first guess when i aw the picture)

[jim short]

Bandini 1935 ,,, 1967 raced in the wet 62 at Ardmore if I remember put one over on John Mansell by lapping slow er than Mansell in simila Cooper Maserati in an effort to sell John the car .. that car was to kill him down south when he never should have started but as every racer knows its hard to watch and not take part he was a great loss

[stubuchanan]

What race did he use 88??

Ron had used both 88 and 19 as racing numbers over a long period, as well as other numbers, presumably as dictated by race organisers.

The prewar midget was often 88, the P3 Alfa seems mostly to have been 19, the Bugatti mostly 88. The Ferrari was 88 at its Mairehau NZ debut with the sports car body, but 19 as a single-seater in 1957 and 1958 but then 88 in 1960 *. The RJR Special was 88 at Teretonga late 1958(?).

I'm confused now! Perhaps there's a pattern there somewhere.

Stu.

*When Pat Hoare was using number 19.

[jim short]

Strange how such am unimportant thing like a no can be so important,only yesterday I was comenting with a top bloke who has gone overseas I think about my number mostly was no 5 with out my asking then in 81 the Sports Sedans gave me no. 5 as a permanent no.That was fine untill some important prick decided he needed it and as he was twice my hight I said stuff not running anymore seeing I had had it for over five years .then Geoffrey had it and now Martin has been using it But like I said its not very important

[jamie]

HAY Jim not like you to go down with OUT Fight Jamie

[jim short]

Down but not out Jamie,, had some fun with Rex {hope he not on here}.When he turned up at BP 1980 in the red EType looking at the cars racing around rolling a smoke saying this is kids stuff after racing boats ,then after his first run trying to roll another smoke with hands so shaking was almost imposible.years later after he sold the E and back into sail yaughts he saw the fun I was having in the Paton{its for sale in Wellington} he went down and came back with the widebody black 7..He perswaded me to comedown to Taupo soon after just the two of us midweek,,to his disgust the Paton was faster untill an axle pulled out,,after that you came on the scene ,,more power each time he left you He still had a job to head me ,one race we got to the brake point and both refused to brake untill on the grass then at Wigram he had close to 16000 ?rpm and was staying with the PDL I think all the way down the back straight side by side untill you know what.But the best storey was some yrs. later now back into big yachts!!!{had to ask jan}duering the Auckland Tauranga race {he was a good sailor always nudging the steering arm{tiller I think} when I was driving} so I led to believe he was giving orders sipping on his rum like any good captain does when he disapered down a open hatch, A bloody good tough competitor and bloke

[jamie]

Hi JIM is that an RIP Jamie

[jim short]

Naw come on Jammie, Dave is organising a get together with the blue car at HD next jan..Feb all the good guys on RS invited just hope you and I included,

[woody]

Who won the 3-hour Gold Leaf for 1601-3000cc class in 1965?

[faminz]

OK, havnt posted for a while, been drawing car artworks.. and this is my latest reference picture. Obviously its Chris Amon but I cant find any info on where and when the photo was taken... Note its car #22!!!! so all you anoraks... where and when?

[Milan Fistonic]

Who won the 3-hour Gold Leaf for 1601-3000cc class in 1965?

Trevor Sheffield and Bill Kelly in a Daimler Dart

[bry3500]

For a second there I thought it was SID 1 - pic courtesy Rab.G.P.Lewin

[Oldfart]

Christmas parade Wellington or Palmy about 1956?

[kiwi285]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2q2mjax.jpg

This photo was sent to me recently and I can't identify the location or the cars owners. I am sure someone will answer this in a flash.

[Kiwiboss]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2q2mjax.jpg

This photo was sent to me recently and I can't identify the location or the cars owners. I am sure someone will answer this in a flash.

The red Mustang belonged to Rob Brown out of AKL and is now down Wellington way somewhere and the white Mustang is the ex John McKechnie pre 65 racer now owned by Dean Cameron. It looks like Baypark which is quite possible as these 2 Mustangs were around in the mid 90's about when Baypark closed?

Dale M

[Steve Holmes]

For a second there I thought it was SID 1 - pic courtesy Rab.G.P.Lewin

Wow! I want one!

[jamie]

Good Morning Boys.BRY3500 youll keep I will be the heackler at your Sat night GIG after F1 in MELB ? have A good weekend Jamie

[John McKechnie]

Hi Dale,
absolutely correct-was Bayparks last meeting. It was so special, I even took my camera down for these pics.. Ahhhh, Baypark, we will never see the like again-sun, sand, sea, Mustangs......Last meeting which was a MUST-like HD next Jan.

[bry3500]

Good Morning Boys.BRY3500 youll keep I will be the heackler at your Sat night GIG after F1 in MELB ? have A good weekend Jamie

look forward to that Jamie..get over for the Phillip Island Classic as well!

[ElCoyote]

Good Morning Boys.BRY3500 youll keep I will be the heackler at your Sat night GIG after F1 in MELB ? have A good weekend Jamie

Not many sleeps to go now Jamie, could I carry Jan's bags?

[bry3500]

OK, havnt posted for a while, been drawing car artworks.. and this is my latest reference picture. Obviously its Chris Amon but I cant find any info on where and when the photo was taken... Note its car #22!!!! so all you anoraks... where and when?

Oulton Park Photo shoot - 1975?
Did some serious anoraking and found this interesting quote
"As an interesting final note I was searching the internet for details of this car, like when and where was the picture taken, so I could give it some history on the auction site. But I couldnt find anything about no.22!! Plenty of stuff on #23 at Le mans but not 22. So I sent an email to an expert here in NZ called Eoin Young. he was there 'in the day' as a correspondent with McLaren and Hulme and Amon and so I thought he'd know. Obviously it was a bit of a poser to him to as he sent on my query to guess who?... Chris Amon himself!! Who is still alive in retirement in NZ. Tonight I got a great email from Chris himself noting the car was most probably shown during a one off photo shoot at Oulton Park in 1975... "

[faminz]

Well done bry3500 but the operative word from Chris is 'probably'! He's not sure himself so I still need some help.
Apparently he's still looking to confirm. I just thought someone here might get there quicker.. Lol

[jamie]

Elcoyote thay will prob to heavy for AN OLD? chap Jamie A

[bry3500]

Well done bry3500 but the operative word from Chris is 'probably'! He's not sure himself so I still need some help.
Apparently he's still looking to confirm. I just thought someone here might get there quicker.. Lol

I posed this post to the Ferrarichat.com - had a reply from one of the " experts"
"Chassis 0846 LeMans test days April 67 ,"

[Rod Grimwood]

Hi Dale,
absolutely correct-was Bayparks last meeting. It was so special, I even took my camera down for these pics.. Ahhhh, Baypark, we will never see the like again-sun, sand, sea, Mustangs......Last meeting which was a MUST-like HD next Jan.

Know, that last meeting was an interesting time, BBQ,s and little fires to keep us warm going off all over the place for most of night and morning. Spent weekend with friends in Matamata arriving down from up north on the Friday, couple of drinkies and over to practice in van on Saturday, back to Matamata for debrief on Saturday night and arrived back at Bay Park in FC Van at 7:30am Sunday morn and left at 4:35 am Monday, Slept in Matamata for awhile and off home up north later in afternoon. We had such a sheltered life back then.

[bry3500]

I posed this post to the Ferrarichat.com - had a reply from one of the " experts"
"Chassis 0846 LeMans test days April 67 ,"
I also found this pic of Bandini at the the Le Mans tests , paint chips match
so to recap - Chassis 0846. April Le Mans tests 1967, Arnage corner

[Rod Grimwood]

Bry, are you getting any sleep. Must send a email and catch up.

[bry3500]

Bry, are you getting any sleep. Must send a email and catch up.

Never enough sleep Rod .. my Rover 827 is undergoing some serious surgery at the moment so I have had my wings clipped somewhat... it would be great to have another catch up, any plans to cross the ditch again?

[bry3500]

As we landed on Mars this week I had to post this great pic from Rab Lewin. A bit off topic for this forum - please forgive

[woody]

Calder Mackay were a furniture shop in Rattray St., Dunedin.

[GeebeeNZ]

Calder Mackay were somehow related to the Farmers Trading Co in Auckland

[stubuchanan]

Calder Mackay were somehow related to the Farmers Trading Co in Auckland

Farmers took them over about 1970-ish. Photo looks to be about early 1950's - see the early Hillman Minx across the road. Who are the guys in uniform? St Johns or Boys' Brigade??

Stu

[GeebeeNZ]

Who are the guys in uniform? St Johns or Boys' Brigade??

Stu

Stu from the red logo on the trailer I am sure they are St Johns.

Graeme

[GD66]

And the tractor pilot looks like a Zambuck of old...you know, the ones who used to run onto a rugby field and treat any given injury with cold water...:D

[bry3500]

If any one is interested there are 4 or 5 other great photo's available from this Parade

[woody]

Bry3500, Can you post the other photo's, trying to identify where they were taken at.

[bry3500]

Bry3500, Can you post the other photo's, trying to identify where they were taken at.
Pics courtesy Rab Lewin

[bry3500]

Pics courtesy Rab Lewin
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[Oldfart]

I reckon they are taken opposite the corner of Kelvin and Spey St, Invercargill.

[car mad]

I reckon they are taken opposite the corner of Kelvin and Spey St, Invercargill.

im sorta thinking its maybe corner of Spey and dee street ??

[Oldfart]

Only reason I made this educated (?) guess is that I looked up the adresses for some of the shops, and am more than likely wrong, just being an anorak!

[stubuchanan]

The pioneer fathers of Invercargill were true Scots indeed. Most of the streets are named after Scottish rivers and most are only 3 or 4 letters long! Must have saved a packet on street sign making.

Stu Buchanan

[stubuchanan]

What was the occasion for the parade?

Southland Centennial 1956, Ranfurly Shield 1959, I see a Mk 2 Zephyr and a heavily finned Yank Tank in the photos - must be quite late in '50s.

Stu

[Howard Wood]

Anorak alert! The tractor in #372 is a Massey Fergusson 35, first produced in red and grey in 1958. Any single seater expert will know that!

[GeebeeNZ]

Howard I'm with you on that. My tractor book that any single seater fan should have said it came out in USA in November 1957. Considering the Zephyr and Consul photos in the pictures (possibly 1957 models) I would say that 1958 seems a good choice.

[stubuchanan]

Anorak alert! The tractor in #372 is a Massey Fergusson 35, first produced in red and grey in 1958. Any single seater expert will know that!

Still a familiar sight today on beaches and lake shores around NZ towing boat trailers.

Stu

[Rod Grimwood]

Thats what NZ farmers and Prince Andrew had in common. "They both had buggered old Fergies lying around"

[stubuchanan]

Thats what NZ farmers and Prince Andrew had in common. "They both had buggered old Fergies lying around"

But the good old Fergies got to the South Pole ahead of the purpose-built Sno-Cats.

[Oldfart]

Ah but the Fergies to the South Pole were not 35s!

[jamie]

Fine old Beast First driving LESON age 10 go Fergies JAMIE

[Oldfart]

Fine old Beast First driving LESON age 10 go Fergies JAMIE

Remember struggling to find the starter?

[Rod Grimwood]

Ah but the Fergies to the South Pole were not 35s!

Now that can be another story. My late uncle went down and retreived them from Antarctica and bought them back. He was one of first to Scott Base back late 50s early 60s. He designed/built alot of it back then. Mum has photos somewhere.

[bry3500]

Now that can be another story. My late uncle went down and retreived them from Antarctica and bought them back. He was one of first to Scott Base back late 50s early 60s. He designed/built alot of it back then. Mum has photos somewhere.

Be great to see some pics Rod, in the meantime how about an MF35 Allcomer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCgwX-Z4Ww

[bry3500]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc3rt2LpWO0

[jamie]

Year OLD Fart! the old man and his army mate who owned the farm were the said BEAST lerked laughed themselvs till thay cried ? if you want to drive it you have to find the starter hee hee thay forgot I was A good watcher joke on them and the fence I hit
Jamie A

[Oldfart]

Another Who?
On Bringa Trailer this morning there is a photo shoot from Bonneville, in the slide show is a red Mini with signage from Nelson. Who is over there giving it a shot?

[GD66]

Bryan Hartley and crew, 223 km/h so far.

[Carlo]

Kiwi's can fly is another team chasing records in the GT Classes with Dave Jackson and a 5 litre Corvette and then a quick refettle sees Craig Gilbert running the car in the 6 litre class.

[Rod Grimwood]

Bryan Hartley and crew, 223 km/h so far.

Its called "Project 64"

[Grant Ellwood]

There was an article on Stuff.co.nz a couple of days ago, apparently they broke the 1000cc record for their vehicles class.

[105angria]

should be on minis and imps more on Speedhunters ,has four valve head off BMW 1200 motorcycle hoping to set record 130 - 140MPH

[GD66]

It's got me snookered how they get a light little vehicle like that to get enough traction to pull such a high speed, particularly front wheel drive. Even heavy stuff you can hear wheelspinning on the salt, and heavy is good when you build a salt car, the opposite of circuit racing. Great effort !

[Chris Read]

Now that can be another story. My late uncle went down and retreived them from Antarctica and bought them back. He was one of first to Scott Base back late 50s early 60s. He designed/built alot of it back then. Mum has photos somewhere.
I also had an Uncle who was the Director of the DSIR and in charge of NZ Antartic Expedition. As well I used to have an old mate in Dunedin who was an all round engineer who looked after my BCM, the ex Palmer Lotus 20B and a Ferrari 330GT. His name was Dave Mills and he was a wizz with Jags and Italian motors as well as bodywork, fettling and anything mechanical including being a diving engineer and stints as an engineer in the 60's, I think, 'on the ice'. He had an XK120 which went pretty well.10203.
Well he died suddenly age 65 quite a few years ago after looking after my cars for over 20yrs and I lost a good mate. At his funeral an old friend said for us all to take out a $5 note and look for the tractor - it was much bigger on the note then. Well the story was that Dave had time on his hands during the Antartic winter and he saw these tractors sitting on the ice ready for the melt when these old bits of machinery would sink to the bottom - so much for environmental awareness. Of course these were some of the left overs from the Hillary expedition to the Pole which I had a 2s and 6p (2/6) pocket money share in, having supported it as a 6 yr via my uncle - I still have the certificate today. Dave decided to 'requisition' one and put it in his workshop and spent the winter-over restoring it. The story of how the tractor got back to Christchurch is another one but it was the initial Fergie shown off in CHC at the early Centre and featured as the model for the engraving on the $5 note.
So it was a good story to finish on for a guy who had a full life and built me a racing engine 26 yrs ago that was still going without a rebuild until last year when a timing chain let go at HD's. Chris Read - Arrowtown.
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[Oldfart]

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OK, so name the faces. Yes one is who you don't expect, one is a poster on here who holds the copyright.

[bry3500]

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OK, so name the faces. Yes one is who you don't expect, one is a poster on here who holds the copyright.

well. that looks like Emilio De Villota 2nd from the left, Fangio?, Guy Edwards in the waist coat hmmmm ..Lyncar??

[Rod Grimwood]

Chris, sounds like they were down there at same time. My uncle left boxs of slides which my father (his brother) is converting to electronic photos. few photos of the group down there. Will see if dad can send some to me and i will PM you as you may reckonize some one.

[Oldfart]

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More Fergie, sort of

[GeebeeNZ]

Now that can be another story. My late uncle went down and retreived them from Antarctica and bought them back. He was one of first to Scott Base back late 50s early 60s. He designed/built alot of it back then. Mum has photos somewhere.

Rod was your late uncle there when they took the Fiat 500 down there. Apparently it came back to NZ and was sold as a normal road car.

[bry3500]

another pic

[Rod Grimwood]

Now that can be another story. My late uncle went down and retreived them from Antarctica and bought them back. He was one of first to Scott Base back late 50s early 60s. He designed/built alot of it back then. Mum has photos somewhere.

Rod was your late uncle there when they took the Fiat 500 down there. Apparently it came back to NZ and was sold as a normal road car.

He was there in early 60s but will find out more from dad. PS very naughty but we had a piece of Erebus rock and some other bits of history which later were not allowed. What the hell is a bit of rock going to do.

[Howard Wood]

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OK, so name the faces. Yes one is who you don't expect, one is a poster on here who holds the copyright.

Standing behind the wing are: De Villota, Fangio, Villota's team manager who's name escapes me at the moment and Bill Robinson.

Last time I saw Bill he was living in Kerikeri. He ran Villota in his McLaren M23 and then Lotus 78(?) out of the Lyncar workshop in Slough.

Bill, if you are the mystery poster, how the hell are you?

[Chris Read]

Found a couple more Antartic pics 10234[/ATTACH. Isn't it great that if its got a motor its fair game on TRS. [ATTACH=CONFIG]10235

[bry3500]

Found a couple more Antartic pics 10234[/ATTACH. Isn't it great that if its got a motor its fair game on TRS. [ATTACH=CONFIG]10235

Any thread that starts with a Lola T70 at Goodwood and evolves to Massey Fergusons in Antarctica has got to be great value!.I love the way this particular thread twists and turns...

[GeebeeNZ]

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Rod was your late uncle there when they took the Fiat 500 down there. Apparently it came back to NZ and was sold as a normal road car.

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The Fiat 500 that was at Scott Base until 1965. Being aircooled it never needed antifreeze.

[Shano]

They have one of the Tucker Snow Cats in the Antarctic Museum in Christchurch.It's a very impressive machine, but it looks awfully complex and fragile. The long driveshafts leading from the engine to the diffs at each end must have been a big problem because they are very long, not very substantial, and unsupported for their length. They must have whipped around more than the raffle seller at the Kaukop pub.

The Fergie used to be at Motat but I think it has been refurbished and is also now at the Antarctic Museum. It looks like a far better machine for the job in terms of robust simplicity, but the flimsy cabs must have made life pretty difficult for the drivers in that environment.

[stubuchanan]

They have one of the Tucker Snow Cats in the Antarctic Museum in Christchurch.It's a very impressive machine, but it looks awfully complex and fragile. The long driveshafts leading from the engine to the diffs at each end must have been a big problem because they are very long, not very substantial, and unsupported for their length. They must have whipped around more than the raffle seller at the Kaukop pub.

The Fergie used to be at Motat but I think it has been refurbished and is also now at the Antarctic Museum. It looks like a far better machine for the job in terms of robust simplicity, but the flimsy cabs must have made life pretty difficult for the drivers in that environment.

Flimsy Cabs?? With no top and no back, they were more like a wind-cheater/dodger on a yacht. One seemed to have been made of perspex, fabric of some kind, and Dexion shelf framing!

They were built on-site weren't they?

Stu

[ElCoyote]

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I recall taking this photo possibly at Ruapuna, beyond that it is one of those photo's that has intrigued me for many years. Interesting car/motor combination that had an issue with gravity later the same day.

[Oldfart]

A30/35 with a 6 Holden? Almost a Brock look alike except the date on the photo is a bit interesting! Is that May 67?

[Dave Silcock]

No, I'm going with a Triumph 6. Its got 12 ports on the RH side.

[bry3500]

No, I'm going with a Triumph 6. Its got 12 ports on the RH side.

Kerry Rout A30 Triumph 2000?

[Chris Read]

Definitely a 2000 (2500) rocker cover as I have one in my garage-the breathers are add ons. Could anyone keep those original twin carbs in tune? The old man used to have one and I just about wore out the o/d on 3rd and top. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd o/d, back to 4th and then 4th o/d. the all original 6 speed box - had a little lever to twiddle with. Just about as much fun as the push buttons on the Valiant. Chris Read-Arrowtown.

[Oldfart]

I did not think I knew anything about 6 cylinders, conclusively proven!

[Rod Grimwood]

Now that can be another story. My late uncle went down and retreived them from Antarctica and bought them back. He was one of first to Scott Base back late 50s early 60s. He designed/built alot of it back then. Mum has photos somewhere.

Rod was your late uncle there when they took the Fiat 500 down there. Apparently it came back to NZ and was sold as a normal road car.

Just been down to Auck and caught up with my dad. His brother (my Uncle) was there in 60 and again 63-64. He has slides of tractors and all sorts so will check out and contact you.

[Rod Grimwood]

A30 with Triumph, interesting. How the hell did they get it in there, would have been nice to work on. And the battery is even in there as well.

[ElCoyote]

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A30 with Triumph, interesting. How the hell did they get it in there, would have been nice to work on. And the battery is even in there as well.

Interesting ideas there, I was given to understand it was a Vanguard 6 but never having owned one cannot say. Yes it was May 67, jamie had his 50th the night before.

[jamie]

Good Morning USA Dog will have to take you in hand when I see you at the Weekend .Thanks for the tip on the Classic driver Jamiw A

[Rod Grimwood]

Spent weekend down on North Shore attending a 60th of a gentleman who has been in the States for about 30 years and meet a heap of old friends and stayed at one of their lovely places. He also has some old photos of cars he has had from yesteryears. Also a big shed with some unreal toys stored away. Will put these on Scrapbook thread as well. Ok first photos, it was red, six pipes out left side and went well. Who, What (easy), Where.

[thunder427]

....at a later date was to recieve a 'Corvette' engine....Mr Coppins ???????????????

[Rod Grimwood]

No, but very similar car. He later went on to race offshore power boats. (very successfully)

[bry3500]

No, but very similar car. He later went on to race offshore power boats. (very successfully)

Bill Stevenson?

[John McKechnie]

That is a beautiful, very straight looking MK2. Would it still be in his garage?

[Rod Grimwood]

No the car is not unfortunately, I think Robin Tanner raced it after this person.
It was built by a well know person in Matamata.
Bry not Bill but he knew him well, raced outboard tunnels before importing (1986 world offshore champs in Auckalnd) the then top boat in class in world which changed the configuration of NZ offshore.

[bry3500]

No the car is not unfortunately, I think Robin Tanner raced it after this person.
It was built by a well know person in Matamata.
Bry not Bill but he knew him well, raced outboard tunnels before importing (1986 world offshore champs in Auckalnd) the then top boat in class in world which changed the configuration of NZ offshore.

Hmmm, I'll continue stabbing in the dark - Barry Ford? Glen Urquart?

[Rod Grimwood]

Hmmm, I'll continue stabbing in the dark - Barry Ford? Glen Urquart?

Bigger boat, two Chevs in arse end, he was a bit of a "cowboy".
Some have since taken his name.

[Carlo]

Does the name Brian Innes fit into this picture somewhere Rod ?

[Oldfart]

Not somebody who owned a bar at Westhaven?

[Rod Grimwood]

Does the name Brian Innes fit into this picture somewhere Rod ?

Bought from Cedric Price from Matamata who was a friend of Brians. Cedric had a car paint shop in those days and then went into a car yard which had the infamous Fridge Club attached.

[Rod Grimwood]

Not somebody who owned a bar at Westhaven?

No not Ginger but became good mates through boat racing. His mechanic (had a shop on North Shore Wairau Rd) was later to co-drive the offshore boat and also prepared Gingers jet boats. He rode with Ginger in early. But after they had gone bush in the marathon down Palmerston way, about 10 metres into bush before a bigger tree finally stopped them he decided a bigger boat and more room to manouvre was a better choice.

[Rod Grimwood]

OK our MK11 mystery man went on to dabble with car racing and this was his next little beauty. He drove it occasionally but it was driven mostly by Colin Reed with a fair bit of success. Auckland Car Club Championship Etc. He did most of the work on it himself and set it all up. (this was way before boats came on the scene) At this stage he had just opened a timber yard in Target Rd North Shore

[Chris Read]

Rod, If this is still referring to the 6 pipe Mk 11, then Car Jam reports its old plate BV6428 STOLEN!!!!!! - Chris

[bry3500]

Bigger boat, two Chevs in arse end, he was a bit of a "cowboy".
Some have since taken his name.

Ha!! Gotcha.. Jesse James :)

[bry3500]

Ha!! Gotcha.. Jesse James :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjxQImFCxrE

[Rod Grimwood]

There you go Bry the boat and the team after a race, this is called 'stress relief"
Left to right, You know him, Ross Tebbs, Bruce Torrance and Ken Grant

Ken was the engine guru, he did alot of engines for different boats. Ross payed the bills and owned/drove Jesse, Bruce has been in the States for age's and is working on the space programme for tourist trips. Bruce is a very good fabricator. I was in charge of cleaning and entertainment.

[bry3500]

That pic looks fairly intense Rod - did Ross ever get you to put down your beer and take you for a spin?

[Rod Grimwood]

That pic looks fairly intense Rod - did Ross ever get you to put down your beer and take you for a spin?

Of course, you actually needed a beer or something after to settle. We learnt early on to always pack extra undies and tissues.

[Rod Grimwood]

Steve,borrowed your photo for this hope you don't mind.

Ok can we name the grid, i got most but a couple not sure of.

[Steve Holmes]

I'll be impressed if someone can ID the driver of the Husky on the last row.

[Carlo]

I'll be impressed if someone can ID the driver of the Husky on the last row.

Millen

[Rod Grimwood]

Millen

Correct Carlo Rod Millen. It was called "The Cob" and It was a quick little thing with glass front doors and rear door and bonnet. Was used as a driver for getting to and from work. Steve raced it originally and both he and Rod shared it for fun. It was used for everything.

Heres a photo of Steve hillclimbing it.

[Rod Grimwood]

My guess left to right as we look at it
Front row Coppins Fahey Marwood
2nd row Richards Riley
3rd row S Millen Sundberg ? Halliday
4th row Collingwood ? Simpson or Crosbie ?
5th row R Millen

Blue Escort could be Harrington.

[Rod Grimwood]

Reckon that is pretty close, just not too sure on blue Escort and black Mini.

[stubuchanan]

These 2 photos are the only motor racing ones in my late father's collection. He wasn't a motor racing fan, boats were more his thing, living in Devonport. We never got an explanation of the photos from him, but a friend of his was a salesman for one(?) of the car firms in Albert St, Auckland in the late 1920's - 1930's and that may have been the connection.

http://s6.postimage.org/qtqtpbq7l/Mystery_Car_Hennings.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s6.postimage.org/k4ka9b4vl/Hennings_1929_1932.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Venue is obviously Hennings Speedway at Mangere, but the Who and What are a mystery. Also the "When", although it should be 1929 or 1930 going by the "D-plate" with the dinky little straps and buckles. Plates were changed yearly in those days, and 28/29 and 29/30 had a dot or a diamond in the number on light colour on dark background.

Quite a nice-looking car. Any suggestions? I honestly have no idea, although there are several likely candidates in old Hennings Speedway photos in books.

Stu

[GD66]

My guess left to right as we look at it
Front row Coppins Fahey Marwood
2nd row Richards Riley
3rd row S Millen Sundberg ? Halliday
4th row Collingwood ? Simpson or Crosbie ?
5th row R Millen

Blue Escort could be Harrington.



I think the fourth row might be Greg Dervan in the purple mini with gold writing, and Stan Baird in the L and P Escort.

Probably Sundberg in the Escort, or possibly at the end of Harrington's ownership.

[Ross Hollings]

Rod Millen in the Cob,looks like Cossey Farm Hillclimb to me,I had hill record there for a while in the Minimax.Ross H

[Wal Will]

Can anyone help with a name for the guy in the left of this photo.
I was asked and cannot help, but thought someone out there may know.

[Rod Grimwood]

Rod Millen in the Cob,looks like Cossey Farm Hillclimb to me,I had hill record there for a while in the Minimax.Ross H

Yep it is Cosseys, but Steve playing here.

[BMCBOY]

This guy should be pretty easy to identify..........

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[jim short]

Can anyone help with a name for the guy in the left of this photo.
I was asked and cannot help, but thought someone out there may know.

A wild guess, looks like John Olshen but I think he was in UK,

[jim short]

A wild guess, looks like John Olshen but I think he was in UK,

No he was in USA

[Rod Grimwood]

This guy should be pretty easy to identify..........

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Peter "Possum" Bourne

[BMCBOY]

Peter "Possum" Bourne

Yes right first time Rod.
Possum and Max Irwin were an impressive pair at hill climbs with lots of noise speed and flying rocks in the mid to late 70's

[Steve Holmes]

Fantastic photos Ross!

[Steve Holmes]

These 2 photos are the only motor racing ones in my late father's collection. He wasn't a motor racing fan, boats were more his thing, living in Devonport. We never got an explanation of the photos from him, but a friend of his was a salesman for one(?) of the car firms in Albert St, Auckland in the late 1920's - 1930's and that may have been the connection.

http://s6.postimage.org/qtqtpbq7l/Mystery_Car_Hennings.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s6.postimage.org/k4ka9b4vl/Hennings_1929_1932.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Venue is obviously Hennings Speedway at Mangere, but the Who and What are a mystery. Also the "When", although it should be 1929 or 1930 going by the "D-plate" with the dinky little straps and buckles. Plates were changed yearly in those days, and 28/29 and 29/30 had a dot or a diamond in the number on light colour on dark background.

Quite a nice-looking car. Any suggestions? I honestly have no idea, although there are several likely candidates in old Hennings Speedway photos in books.

Stu

These are beautiful photos Stu! Thanks for posting. The car in the first photo is impressive! Just look at the workmanship that has gone into the rear bodywork.

[Rod Grimwood]

Yes right first time Rod.
Possum and Max Irwin were an impressive pair at hill climbs with lots of noise speed and flying rocks in the mid to late 70's

Top photo, was that Ridge Road Bombays, looks familiar. Not alot of room and nice drop off to green pastures. Looks like farm Rd as this was.

[BMCBOY]

Top photo, was that Ridge Road Bombays, looks familiar. Not alot of room and nice drop off to green pastures. Looks like farm Rd as this was.

Both these photos were taken at Hibiscus Coast Car Club events.
The first at a Bardahl Hillclimb 1978 and the second at their Grass track race meeting 1978
I have added a few more for old times sake taken at the same meetings.

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[Rod Grimwood]

These 2 photos are the only motor racing ones in my late father's collection. He wasn't a motor racing fan, boats were more his thing, living in Devonport. We never got an explanation of the photos from him, but a friend of his was a salesman for one(?) of the car firms in Albert St, Auckland in the late 1920's - 1930's and that may have been the connection.

Stu
There was a big grass track oval at Devonport where the Golf course is now opposite the old Gas works in those older days. It had a swamp in middle as well i think as the sea came right upto the other side of the road. There used to be races for motor bikes and cars, and you sat up on a hill to watch. Remember going to watch with my grandfather and father when i was very young. They were big meetings.

[stubuchanan]

These 2 photos are the only motor racing ones in my late father's collection. He wasn't a motor racing fan, boats were more his thing, living in Devonport. We never got an explanation of the photos from him, but a friend of his was a salesman for one(?) of the car firms in Albert St, Auckland in the late 1920's - 1930's and that may have been the connection.

Stu
There was a big grass track oval at Devonport where the Golf course is now opposite the old Gas works in those older days. It had a swamp in middle as well i think as the sea came right upto the other side of the road. There used to be races for motor bikes and cars, and you sat up on a hill to watch. Remember going to watch with my grandfather and father when i was very young. They were big meetings.

GeeWhiz, you must be really really Old, Uncle Rod!
That was the "Takapuna Racecourse" which goes back to the 1890's. When my mother took up golf she first played there (1950's) it was only 9-holes and I think parts of the old horse race course were still visible, but later they made it into 18 Holes.
http://s6.postimage.org/ea2rwau41/Takapuna_Racecourse002.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

It was used for motor cycles as well as horses and was quite a lethal place according to my father - about 10 jockeys and at least one motor bike rider were killed there. They got huge crowds there for the bikes, estimated 20,000 for one meeting 1929? with top riders like Percy Coleman etc. I don't know when bike races stopped there, before WW2 I guess. I think the left grandstand was stiil there years later (may still be?) used as the golf Clubhouse. I never heard of cars racing there, but anything was possible in those days.

Stu

[David McKinney]

I have heard of cars racing at Takapuna in the '20s, but never seen anything beyond that simple statement

[Rod Grimwood]

Not that old thanks Stu, I can remember the bikes at the horse track but was not one of the 20,000. It was late 50s. Remember my dad talking about cars, but I can only remember watching the bikes. They were big meetings with big hot-dogs covered in sauce that always found its way onto your nice clean shirt that mum had sent you off in.
As a by: looking back i was lucky as my Grandfather and dad took me to these events when i was very young and also to Ardmore for GP meetings before Pukekohe along with trips to Western Springs (found out dad raced until I was born) across on the car ferry in the afternoon and then the big drive around the top of the harbour past Whenuapai, Riverhead, Albany and back to Milford. Alot on shingle and those old Vauxhalls bounced around a bit. I was doomed from the start.

[bry3500]

What ?

[Jac Mac]

Latest entrant for HMC series, large quantities of hot air reqd!:)

[bry3500]

Latest entrant for HMC series, large quantities of hot air reqd!:)

:D

[Jac Mac]

Called a Glideair Hovercar, who made it? Ford Motor Co in 1961, front end has some Econoline likeness, just as well it never 'took off', Dale & co might have ended up racing them 50 years later!:)

[bry3500]

Who and what pretty easy - but where?

[Jizim]

Rex would not mind, and thats why i need to contact him as he will have a container full of photos, and information.

Known him a little while, he still holds the Rally car lap record of Baypark, V8 Chevette. I believe he has the original car back. He is in Aussie. Correct Guys. I stored his Rally Chevette before sending it down to Napier for his original then my Rally co driver John Chiverrell who was a master car painter to freshen it up then we sent it to Perth where it still is.....Rex like my self was a founding member of East Bay Rods on the North Shore years ago....he left me with a huge amount of his photo collection. May have to get our Swedes together Rod over a bottle of Jack Daniels and sort a few for this site. I personally have over 50,000 digital pix up to present day racing and probably 20,000 photos of years gone by....I must take the time to sort these to get them on this site....I do need a hand as I dont know how to put them up. Kind regards, Tony Rutherford.

[Jizim]

only one image so far your mate fastest man in an Austin A 35 at Ardmore always last out onto the track in later yrs John Windlburn When i worked for John he showed me a photo of his A35 on two wheels...he said it didnt roll...for all money it was over ..but no it didnt flip. This is a great shot aye.....he drove one of these old cars at the Festival of Speed at Hampton Downs a couple years ago....Johnny Windleburn....living legend guys....my true hero. Kind regards, Tony Rutheford.

[Michael Clark]

Bry - my first thought was Max Stewart - and if that is right then the colour would lead to a Mildren - and if that is correct, what about a wild stab at Singapore?

[bry3500]

Bry - my first thought was Max Stewart - and if that is right then the colour would lead to a Mildren - and if that is correct, what about a wild stab at Singapore?

Top of the class Micheal :)

[Michael Clark]

I think I'll quit while I'm ahead...

[Rod Grimwood]

Know who, Know where, but what is going on. Hopefully Kevin may see this and fill us in.

Found this on Bob Jane sight as well. Some good stuff there.

[Rod Grimwood]

And another for our Australian friends, at this moment it is not damaged, but think that will change in a hurry.

Any one know what happened here. Looks like he has just tripped.

[John McKechnie]

Dumpty the Humpy had a great fall?
Is not the speed that kills, its the stopping?
Undertaking on the corner?
Car goes faster when you remove the drag friction of 4 tyres on the road
next caption please...

[Robert Bailey]

I'd say a Sandown 500 race 74 and KB is driving up to pick up a trophy?

[Cooper997]

Rod,

That photo's Norm Beechey in his 'PK 752' Holden heading for a big one. It was the January 1964 Calder meeting (debut of the Neptune Racing Team) with Bob Jane in the Fiat.

That actual photo made the front cover of the March 1964 Racing Car News.

Stephen

[GD66]

Eek ! Being 1964, I wonder if he was wearing anything more substantial than a diagonal belt ? Looks like a big one...

[Cooper997]

The RCN Calder report shows 4 other photos, three being of the roll sequence. The car came to rest on the driver's side and the report mentions Norm climbing out through the shattered windscreen.

The caption of the photos actually states "... - a vivid testimony to the efficiency of safety belts."

Happy to scan & email the sequence from RCN if there's someone happy to post it here. Just need an email address.

Stephen

[Rod Grimwood]

Thanks Stephen, be rapt to see it all, so uncle Norm ah, going hard as usual. Now you have mentioned it if you look at stripes and the sign writing on bonnet all falls into place, knew someone would know.

my email grimmie64@xtra.co.nz

i'll size and post if you like, cheers.

[Rod Grimwood]

Stephen, you may be able to help with this one as well, Obviously a very early team. O'Briens Diesel Engineering

[Ellis]

A few of the roll sequence from various sources...
This was the end of PK752 No1....another car was built and only lightly raced before being sold to Neville Cooper of WA

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/CalderRolloveraaa_zps692c776d.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/CalderRolloveraaa_zps692c776d.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/CalderRolloveraMar1964_zps1bae9086.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/CalderRolloveraMar1964_zps1bae9086.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/CalderRolloverc_zps4b6521df.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/CalderRolloverc_zps4b6521df.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/CalderRolloverbb_zpsb39c01e3.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/CalderRolloverbb_zpsb39c01e3.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/CalderRolloverdd_zps723804a1.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/CalderRolloverdd_zps723804a1.jpg.html)

This is the new car on debut after the roll...note number plate upside down referring to previous rollover

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/PK752plateUpsideDownMid64_zps11eb5b46.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/PK752plateUpsideDownMid64_zps11eb5b46.jpg.html)

[Ellis]

The new PK752 (2) was only lightly raced before being sold and shipped by boat (Kooringa) to Neville Cooper in WA in Nov 64 . Beechey mentions in the documents that went with the car that his Mustang was imminent.

Neville ran it in WA at Caversham etc

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/01820019_zps42415299.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/01820019_zps42415299.jpg.html)

In mid 66 Neville brought the car back to the East Coast to run it at Calder and Sandown
I took this pic of car at Calder in Aug 66...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/PK752Calder866NCooper_zps700e53a1.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/PK752Calder866NCooper_zps700e53a1.jpg.html)

About 3 weeks after Calder Neville had a very big accident in the car at Sandown under the bridge and demolished the car and almost himself , being hospitalised for a long period. The car was parted out to various people to pay some bills.

[Ellis]

Stephen, you may be able to help with this one as well, Obviously a very early team. O'Briens Diesel Engineering

That looks like it is Dennis Obrien (Albury /Wagga area)
He later purchased the White Tony Roberts HO2 that rolled at Bathurst on top of mountain in 70 and converted it to HO3 and painted same colour as cars in your pic ran it at Calder and Sandown etc. Not sure what he had after that.

Tony Roberts HO2 ex Bathurst 1970

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/RobertsonTruckLap142_zps6fe00e0c.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/RobertsonTruckLap142_zps6fe00e0c.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/DennisObrienHO372_zpsba1b9a51.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/DennisObrienHO372_zpsba1b9a51.jpg.html)

Oldrace photos pic

[librules]

Stephen, you may be able to help with this one as well, Obviously a very early team. O'Briens Diesel Engineering

This might help a little bit......

http://www.vintageracingservices.com.au/About.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F4MukHK8UU

How good does the Galaxie sound from inside??

[Cooper997]

Stephen, you may be able to help with this one as well, Obviously a very early team. O'Briens Diesel Engineering

Rod,

Looks like Ellis has covered this one pretty well with Denis O'Brien's outfit from Wagga Wagga in country NSW. My first viewing of it says the circuit will be Winton to me (especially those trees). Maybe late 1960s/early 70s even. Unfortunately I have precious little in the way of Winton race programmes.

The Roaring Season needs Neil Hammond, long time photographer at Winton and many other circuits on here to help ID these more obscure driver/car combos. His archive would go back to this era I think.

Regarding the Beechey PK 752, Ellis has also done a great job covering that. His roll sequence is a bit different to the RCN shots. So I''m about to crank up the scanner and forward the photos and report to you.

Stephen

[mid-year]

That looks like it is Dennis Obrien (Albury /Wagga area)
He later purchased the White Tony Roberts HO2 that rolled at Bathurst on top of mountain in 70 and converted it to HO3 and painted same colour as cars in your pic ran it at Calder and Sandown etc. Not sure what he had after that.

Tony Roberts HO2 ex Bathurst 1970

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/RobertsonTruckLap142_zps6fe00e0c.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/RobertsonTruckLap142_zps6fe00e0c.jpg.html)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/falcongtho/DennisObrienHO372_zpsba1b9a51.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/falcongtho/media/DennisObrienHO372_zpsba1b9a51.jpg.html)

Oldrace photos pic

Dennis O,Brien in his GTHO( Ph2.5 ? ) at Calder,but who is the driver of the Shell-Yellow ( hint ) E-38 charger ?20251

[bry3500]

what and who?

[bry3500]

The original caption reads " Teenagers pose with racing cars in Kaiwharawhara, Wellington, before the cars leave for the Gand Prix in Auckland; St Mungo Soap and Stipplecote Paint premises can be seen in the background'
any ideas?

[Cooper997]

If I'm on the right track this will be prior to the 1956 NZ Grand Prix at Ardmore. Some of the International drivers cars.

VPA 9 is Tony Gaze HWM-Jaguar, next to Peter Whitehead"s Cooper-Jaguar, Reg Parnell's Aston Martin DB3S and the Maserati 250F should be the one Stirling Moss used to win the event.

One could only think this photo was staged for the likes of newspaper pre-event publicity.

Stephen

[Rod Grimwood]

Dennis O,Brien in his GTHO( Ph2.5 ? ) at Calder,but who is the driver of the Shell-Yellow ( hint ) E-38 charger ?20251


Remote chance of it being Dick Johnson relation later with Shell. The Geoghegans were the boys with these around this time though

[Rod Grimwood]

We may have to run a 'Master Mind" off between you and Mr Kinney if you keep this up Stephen (Cooper997)

Good stuff, and great to find out the history.

[bry3500]

Thanks Cooper - well done

[Rod Grimwood]

Remote chance of it being Dick Johnson relation later with Shell. The Geoghegans were the boys with these around this time though



Na, Na. Got it, Its Norm Beechey

[Cooper997]

We may have to run a 'Master Mind" off between you and Mr Kinney if you keep this up Stephen (Cooper997)

Good stuff, and great to find out the history.

No Mastermind, Rod or Bry3500.. David will win, he's been doing this caper for a lot longer. I await whether he will confirm or correct me.

Stephen

[928]

what and who?
Ray Hare driving the Imperell
post 489. thanks old fart

[Oldfart]

Ray Hare driving the Imperell

Presume you mean post #489?
It's possible I know where this is. Just seeking confirmation.

[mid-year]

Na, Na. Got it, Its Norm Beechey

Nailed it Rod.

[Perry Holland]

what and who?probably Ray Hare,builder of the Imperral...on the cover of NZ specials book by Vercoe...photo taken at Houghton Bay hill-climb