2017 formula junior world tour

[paul lancaster]

Just come home from commentating at levels raceway in timaru, the 2nd leg of 3 for the southern festival of speed.
what a breathtaking field of 50 odd fjs.
a big congrats and thankyou to all involved, will most likely never, ever see this many again , at levels again

[ERC]

See Nigel Watts' thread for pics of most of them.

One of my favourite race groups ever, as they transcended the switch from front engine to rear engine, looked like miniature F1 cars and you could see the drivers - and I can remember them from first time around!

Yup, big thanks to Duncan Rabagliati and our local heroes, Nigel Russell, Roger Herrick, Jim Barclay, John Holmes and many others who have not only been part of it, but have ensured its steady growth in NZ. Without them, I doubt the tour would have made it to these shores.

[Steve Holmes]

I agree Paul, an amazing feat to have this very significant celebration down racing in NZ.

[Terry S]

I agree Paul, an amazing feat to have this very significant celebration down racing in NZ.

I think Formula Junior is a wonderful class, and fantastic to see how you can run the same car in many parts of the world.

Perhaps I view it so highly because for many of us it was our first introduction to proper single seater racing back in the distant past.

I recall Warwick Farm meetings that included the following amongst others:

Leo Geoghegan - Lotus 22
Frank Matich - Elfin
Kevin Bartlett - Lynx
Glynn Scott - Lotus 20
Les Howard - Nota

Attached is a recent newsletter of the Australian Formula Junior Association, which includes wonderful stories on member's trips around England and Europe.

http://www.australianformulajunior.com/current.pdf

There are some great photos of these cars recently in NZ as part of their world tour on the Nigel Watts photo thread, in posts 799 to 816.

UFORTUNATELY still no details of make/ models which would be so informative for those of us deeply interested.

[paul lancaster]

My favourite terry were the many lotus 18s that were there, and martin bullock drove fantastic in a lotus 27

[GD66]

There are some great photos of these cars recently in NZ as part of their world tour on the Nigel Watts photo thread, in posts 799 to 816.

UFORTUNATELY still no details of make/ models which would be so informative for those of us deeply interested.





If you're deeply interested, the FJ race results are on mylaps. If you're even more deeply interested, get over to natsoft for some detective work, the results of the Barbagallo and Sandown meetings are on there including the makes and models, and in most cases the cars have held the same race numbers throughout the tour.

[Terry S]

If you're deeply interested, the FJ race results are on mylaps. If you're even more deeply interested, get over to natsoft for some detective work, the results of the Barbagallo and Sandown meetings are on there including the makes and models, and in most cases the cars have held the same race numbers throughout the tour.

Being from Oz I am not aware of what "mylaps" is. Can you advise and how I get into it?

[Oldfart]

To save anyone else incurring your displeasure Terry, Mylaps is a worldwide scoring system. I am guessing that the shorthand version www.mylaps.com should find your easier path to having a look. You will find a myriad of events. What you need to do is select the event that interests you, and there are a huge number of results, laptimes, etc, etc. It does take a little searching, ut most of your queries will be resolved.

[ERC]

Unfortunately, MyLaps only lists the drivers and not the cars! On their feedback I have requested they list the cars as otherwise, it is another step to find out the car details. Not impossible, but more time consuming.

[RogerH]

OK - here we go :

799
#127 Martin Bullock Lotus 27
#34 Joe Ricciardo Brabham BT6
#254 JR Mitchell Lotus 18
#272 Nick Grewal Lotus 18
#59 Robin Longdon Lola Mk5A
#73 Noel Woodford Gemini Mk3A

800
#77 Vern Williamson Lynx T3
#22 Richard Bishop-Miller Autosport Equipment Mk2
#9 Sir John Chisholm Gemini Mk2
#73 Peter Anstiss Lotus 20/22
#104 Jac Nellemann Alfa Dana
#8 Jim Blockley Caravelle Mk2


801
#4 Graham Barron Gemini Mk2
#150 David Watkins Elfin 629
#66 Tony Pearson Bandini
#39 Mike Rowe Koala P2
#111 Lance Carradine Lynx Lowline

802
#117 David Kent Lynx Mk3
#40 Bruce Edgar Elfin Catalina
#7 Neil McCrudden Lotus 20/22
#56 Peter Benbrook Cooper T56
# 150, 66, 73, 9 as above
#24 Kevin anderson Cooper T52


804
#21 Rob Williams Elva 100 BMC
#74 Walter Findlay Elva 100 DKW
#125 Nigel Russell Stanguellini


805
#17 Duncan Rabagliati Alexis HF101
#3 Tony Olissoff Emeryson Elfin Mk1
#51 Peter Boel Lola Mk5A
#18 John Holmes Lotus 18
#1 Roger Herrick Lola Mk2
#64 Garth Thomas Cooper T72 F3


rest later

[GD66]

42014

You're a good man, Roger.

[Terry S]

To save anyone else incurring your displeasure Terry, Mylaps is a worldwide scoring system. I am guessing that the shorthand version www.mylaps.com should find your easier path to having a look. You will find a myriad of events. What you need to do is select the event that interests you, and there are a huge number of results, laptimes, etc, etc. It does take a little searching, ut most of your queries will be resolved.

I took the advice of Oldfart and GD66 and went into the site "mylaps.com".

What came up was "Please note that all results have been moved to separate websites".

[GD66]

Try mylaps Skope Classic 2017 Terry.

[ERC]

It says the site has been moved, but gives you the link anyway... It has moved to Speed Hive


https://speedhive.mylaps.com/#_ga=1.2876912.1127571788.1446788377

[Terry S]

OK - here we go :

799
#127 Martin Bullock Lotus 27
#34 Joe Ricciardo Brabham BT6
#254 JR Mitchell Lotus 18
#272 Nick Grewal Lotus 18
#59 Robin Longdon Lola Mk5A
#73 Noel Woodford Gemini Mk3A

800
#77 Vern Williamson Lynx T3
#22 Richard Bishop-Miller Autosport Equipment Mk2
#9 Sir John Chisholm Gemini Mk2
#73 Peter Anstiss Lotus 20/22
#104 Jac Nellemann Alfa Dana
#8 Jim Blockley Caravelle Mk2


801
#4 Graham Barron Gemini Mk2
#150 David Watkins Elfin 629
#66 Tony Pearson Bandini
#39 Mike Rowe Koala P2
#111 Lance Carradine Lynx Lowline

802
#117 David Kent Lynx Mk3
#40 Bruce Edgar Elfin Catalina
#7 Neil McCrudden Lotus 20/22
#56 Peter Benbrook Cooper T56
# 150, 66, 73, 9 as above
#24 Kevin anderson Cooper T52


804
#21 Rob Williams Elva 100 BMC
#74 Walter Findlay Elva 100 DKW
#125 Nigel Russell Stanguellini


805
#17 Duncan Rabagliati Alexis HF101
#3 Tony Olissoff Emeryson Elfin Mk1
#51 Peter Boel Lola Mk5A
#18 John Holmes Lotus 18
#1 Roger Herrick Lola Mk2
#64 Garth Thomas Cooper T72 F3


rest later

Thanks Roger, that is fantastic, and a great effort.

You really are putting some others to shame who couldn't be bothered making the effort.

Can I ask for interest where you got your info from.

Thanks again

[GD66]

42028

[nigel watts]

Terry S,
if you don't like what we post then don't look
But for goodness sake please stop your whingeing because it seems lke YOU can't be bothered making the effort either.
I'm still waiting for you to point me to YOUR photos so I can see how you do it.
This forum is supposed to be, and is, a place where we enjoy looking at images and read stories, memories etc.
Unfortunately you are starting to spoil that experience.
Please stop.

[ERC]

42028
+1

[RogerH]

..to finish the one that was left unidentified :

#181 Greg Thornton Lotus 22


Terry - I am fortunate in that I know most of these cars as I have raced with a lot of them here and o/seas for a number of years. The few that I was a bit unsure of I got info from the Taupo Historic GP programme.

I think it would be very difficult and unreasonable for the photographers to be able to identify driver make year and model of the cars they photograph. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage them from taking and posting these great photos - some of them are of my car and I really appreciate the fantastic shots and often the action ones are very helpful in identifying such things as suspension set up issues.

If you really want to identify a particular car you could go to Mylaps and select "event results" and then New Zealand in the "All Countries" box and car racing in the "All Sports" box. Then scroll down and find the event you want (which the photographer usually lists as the venue for his photos). If they are of Formula Junior cars (for example) look at that race and you will find the car # and the driver's name. In most cases if you then Google the driver's name and "Formula Junior" then in images it should show the car which should then lead to a page identifying what sort of car it is.
A bit laborious but at least it will hopefully help to identify a particular car.

[khyndart in CA]

From Ken H to Roger H,
I want to thank you for compiling the listings for the Formula Junior field. I had started last night with my lame way of gathering the information together and almost fell asleep and then woke this morning and "bingo" you had done this wonderful input for ALL of us.
I think between the two of us we seem to have covered Nigel's wonderful photos of the Formula Juniors at Taupo.
( I went to the result site and got the car number and driver info. and then Googled each driver under "2017 formula junior world tour " even though it was slow it was very interesting and I learned a lot. )

Quote Originally Posted by Terry S View Post

Gee it would be wonderful to have some marque names of those beautiful formula juniors in the last 5 posts.
Terry, I will try my best for you. In order of appearance;

# 17 _ Duncan Rabagliati _ 1959 ALEXIS-BMC HF 101
# 64 _ Garth Thomas _ 1964 Cooper T72
# 25 _ Jim Barclay _ 1961 Gemini Mk 3 A
# 1 _ Roger Herrick _ Lola Mk 2
# 77_ Vernon Williamson _ 1960 Rytune Scorpion Ford
# 254 _ JR Mitchell _ Lotus 18
# 272 _ Nick Grewal _ Lotus 18
# 21 _ Rob Williams _ Elva
# 41 _ Walter Findlay _ 1959 Elva DKW
# 104 _ Jac Nellemann _ Alfa Dana
# 18 _ Noel Ately _ 1960 Lotus 18
# 66 _ Tony Pearson _ Bandini Fiat
# 22 _ Richard Bishop-Miller _ Autosport Mk 2
# 4 _ Graham Barron _ 1959 Gemini Mk 2
# 24 _ Kevin Anderson _ Cooper T 53 ?
# 28 _ Colin McKay _ Gemini Mk 2
# 39 _ Mike Rowe _ Koala
# 15 _ Max Pegram _ 1960 Gemini
# 3 _ Tony Olisoff _ Emeryson Elfin.

It may not be totally correct but I hope this is of help to you.

( Ken Hyndman )

_________________________________________________________________________
Quote Originally Posted by RogerH View Post

OK - here we go :

799
#127 Martin Bullock Lotus 27
#34 Joe Ricciardo Brabham BT6
#254 JR Mitchell Lotus 18
#272 Nick Grewal Lotus 18
#59 Robin Longdon Lola Mk5A
#73 Noel Woodford Gemini Mk3A

800
#77 Vern Williamson Lynx T3
#22 Richard Bishop-Miller Autosport Equipment Mk2
#9 Sir John Chisholm Gemini Mk2
#73 Peter Anstiss Lotus 20/22
#104 Jac Nellemann Alfa Dana
#8 Jim Blockley Caravelle Mk2


801
#4 Graham Barron Gemini Mk2
#150 David Watkins Elfin 629
#66 Tony Pearson Bandini
#39 Mike Rowe Koala P2
#111 Lance Carradine Lynx Lowline

802
#117 David Kent Lynx Mk3
#40 Bruce Edgar Elfin Catalina
#7 Neil McCrudden Lotus 20/22
#56 Peter Benbrook Cooper T56
# 150, 66, 73, 9 as above
#24 Kevin anderson Cooper T52


804
#21 Rob Williams Elva 100 BMC
#74 Walter Findlay Elva 100 DKW
#125 Nigel Russell Stanguellini


805
#17 Duncan Rabagliati Alexis HF101
#3 Tony Olissoff Emeryson Elfin Mk1
#51 Peter Boel Lola Mk5A
#18 John Holmes Lotus 18
#1 Roger Herrick Lola Mk2
#64 Garth Thomas Cooper T72 F3

#181 Greg Thornton Lotus 22

There, we have done it mate and I have more and more understanding of why Nigel and Ray etc. do not get involved in all the details. "If you want the info. go get the info !" This is not North Korea with no internet access.
The only question I have is how does Nigel get so many photos onto one page ?
(Time for lunch. Thanks again John H and Nigel )
Ken H

[ERC]

"There are givers and there are are takers."

Thankfully, the former outnumber the latter on this site. With so many omissions from the Festival programme, (or almost any programme for that matter) I had to do exactly what the others have done and I too learned a lot.

Dating older stuff is even more difficult as a lot of it isn't on the Interweb, but fortunately, there are several people dedicated to filling in the gaps. Not sure about Nigel, but I currently have hundreds undated - though at least I can (usually) identify the cars.

[Terry S]

It says the site has been moved, but gives you the link anyway... It has moved to Speed Hive


https://speedhive.mylaps.com/#_ga=1.2876912.1127571788.1446788377

Being unfamiliar with mylaps I seem to have a problem.

I have followed this lead and found the FJ race 17 at Taupo, but I cannot seem to bring up more than the first 4 finishers.

is there a secret I am missing?

[khyndart in CA]

Terry,
This is the site that I used.
I hope you have success as it has a lot of good info. on the Taupo event.

https://speedhive.mylaps.com/en/Events/1359230


Cheers,
Ken H

[Terry S]

Terry,
This is the site that I used.
I hope you have success as it has a lot of good info. on the Taupo event.

https://speedhive.mylaps.com/en/Events/1359230


Cheers,
Ken H

Thanks Ken, progress at last. I must have got a "bum" steer in post #14.

Where did you get the details of car by driver? I tried what you noted of Googling "2017 formula junior world tour" but can't find anything?

Please help

[RogerH]

What you can do Terry is pick a driver's name from the result sheet, let's say for example - Tony Olissoff. Then type into Google "Tony Olissoff Formula Junior" and select "images". This will then show pictures of various Formula Junior cars and you will see that a small red front engined (and front wheel drive) car is frequently displayed. if you click on these photos it will say it is an Emeryson Elfin Mk1.

It doesn't always work but at least it should with most cars and drivers.

[paul lancaster]

Hi again guys, I have just looked up media77, which is a photograpic company , which was at the scope meeting, and at the levels southern classic.
there are pics of most of the classes, but none of the formula juniors.
perhaps the fjs have there own photographers, or some other "deal" going on.
anyone know?

[ERC]

As far as I know, no deal, as there is no exclusive right restricting anyone from taking or publishing pics.

Maybe the photographer is still filing and sorting? Maybe the class doesn't appeal? I have only just finished filing mine taken at the two January meetings and what was published was just a dip into the pile.

[Terry S]

What you can do Terry is pick a driver's name from the result sheet, let's say for example - Tony Olissoff. Then type into Google "Tony Olissoff Formula Junior" and select "images". This will then show pictures of various Formula Junior cars and you will see that a small red front engined (and front wheel drive) car is frequently displayed. if you click on these photos it will say it is an Emeryson Elfin Mk1.

It doesn't always work but at least it should with most cars and drivers.

Roger, what you describe sounds like a vert arduous task. However having gone through many formula junior sites there seems no list of competitors.

I am surprised that mylaps is the only one in NZ giving results, but then not noting the car make.

I guess we are spoilt in Australia by Natsoft which gives so much data in the one place. Two FJ examples:

http://www.racing.natsoft.com.au/642552677/object_763606.85E/View?29

http://www.racing.natsoft.com.au/642552677/object_763747.85L/View?25

gives car #, driver name, country, car details etc

[John McKechnie]

Both those come up HTTP 404 Not Found.

[ian]

What a great weekends racing by great people at Teretonga. Thank you guys for coming all this way.
I hope you all enjoyed yourselves.

[Terry S]

Both those come up HTTP 404 Not Found.

Now hopefully OK

[khyndart in CA]

John,
I can see what Terry is describing. Try this one and then go to the results for an example.

http://racing.natsoft.com.au/results/#2


Terry,
You are going to get so good at this that you will be able to do the inputs for US.
You will have a full time job keeping up with Ray and Nigel.
I am doing a brief sample for you at Nigel's thread for the F1 cars at Taupo.

(Ken H)

[paul lancaster]

Just got an email from media77, the photographers at the classic, they said that they never shot any formula junior pics, because they "didnt think anyone would be interested", really!!

[ERC]

Unbelievable!

There are one or two classes I personally don't really care for, but as a very amateur photographer, I do try to take at least some pics when I can. But a professional outfit ignores a whole class? Shame on you media77.

[Oldfart]

I don't believe it! Media 77 should lose accreditation when a class like the FJ is in the midst of a world trip with cars from all over the world. Obviously they don't do any background homework. Were they the "official" photogs?

[khyndart in CA]

Why would anyone be interested in something like this !..How bad is that !
42077

Thanks even more Nigel

[seaqnmac27]

I am going to stoke the fire, poke the bear, I am sure you know what I mean, having just gone through some of the links provided, I noticed that I could cross reference the cars from Mylaps, with the images provided on Media77, however there was, i discovered an issue, because on the first page of the photographs from Skope and the images from Mainland Muscle, was a car i have only a passing awareness of, its the ex Pierre Neame Capri, however, Media 77, and I know, how dare a professional multimedia business in this day and age do this, but they have labelled the photograph as i-Hzd3J5g, now, that doesn't really help me much as I cannot see a car number so I cannot identify the pilot!!
Now I could just rant and rave and send a nasty email or message to Media77 about labelling practises of their 678 photographs over 3 categories from the Skope meet...or I could look at other photgraphs of the car a the meet from Media77, identify it as car 777 and then note it is driven by Andy Lloyd, then I can find out more about both Car and driver, if I choose, without upsetting those who labor long and hard to make sure those of us unable for whatever reason, to attend events, can in some way get information about car and driver, yes, it takes a bit more work from us plebeians, however, in my opinion, it is far better for me to do the legwork than upset those who actually make the effort to give us hours of viewing pleasure

[ERC]

Exactly! Use the internet and where possible, add information but it can be absorbing, frustrating, rewarding, informative, entertaining, in not very equal proportions.

The biggest frustration is still drivers who enter late and therefore do not appear in the programme - or organisers who stuff up the programme, but thankfully, that is a rare occurrence.

Lucky me, I'm too thick skinned to get upset by negative criticism seaqnmac27! Renaming photographs individually (as opposed to in bulk) is what takes the time. I bulk rename by date as I agree, IMG5433 DSC2345, or i-Hzd3J5g is meaningless.

What critics, sorry, a critic, may not realise, is that we can't just upload pics as they are, as there are 2 size limits for this website. A maximum of 185kb and also, 850 pixels wide. That means making copies before uploading, as even scanned negatives or slides can easily exceed this limit.

* Just found that I've accidentally overwritten a whole pile that I'd scanned, with the reduced sized images posted on TRS, so will have to scan them all over again... Oh deep joy.

Back to FJ's. I found one official website that lists all makes, but many links do not have pictures.

It is not a perfect world, but I live by the 80/20 rule. It takes 20% of the time to get it 80% correct but 80% of the time to get that last 20%. If I were perfectionist, I really wouldn't get much done at all.

We can always hope that someone can set up a comprehensive website with all FJ races, cars, drivers, results, pics etc., right from day 1. Good luck with that, but don't hold your breath. Meanwhile, there is a lot of stuff out there, but it just takes some effort to find it.

[RogerH]

Here is a link to a site that has details on most of the FJ period marques :

http://formulajunior.com/fj-marques/

If you want to buy one then there are a few for sale here :

http://formulajunior.com/for-sale/

It includes two in New Zealand (Auckland):

- Rob Williams' front engined Elva 100 (2nd car listed in front engined category). This is an excellent buy for a car that performs well and has a good history.

- The ex-Len May Cooper T56 - again with a great history and just totally rebuilt. This is the first car listed in the rear engined category.

Come and join the fun and keep these fantastic cars in New Zealand!

[alikat]

I have just found this thread and I thought I would comment. First of all, Media77 is a VERY part time gig. We don't make a living off it and it barely covers its own costs. As such, we have to be selective in what we cover because with so many meetings, we cannot cover every single class, car, race AND do our day jobs which subsidises our cameras, website and editing software.

I'm sure you all enjoy looking at the photos of the cars on our website, but we pay monthly to have that hosted, so that website doesn't come for free, hence we have to be selective in our target markets to make it work for us. Being selective in what we cover means that we can have some semblance of a life that isnt working 40 hours a week at in our chosen careers and then another 30 hours a week on photos, every week.

If you take the time to look around our website, you'll soon figure out our target market is saloon/muscle/2kcup/clubsport racing. If we know in advance that someone is committed to buying photos for a weekend, we can make an effort. Because I'm sure we all hate time wasters that commit to something and never carry through and we get that a lot.

What you see in the URL is not the actual file name. As already mentioned, its a huge job to rename files, and the URL that you see in the address bar is just the address of the page which the photo sits in. The URL is determined by our hosting company which is based in Canada. On top of paying them to host terrabytes of images, they also take a cut (35%) of every single sale we make. They get two cuts of the penny and we get whats left on the 11th of the following month.

As for the suggestion that our accreditation be removed? Every photographer accredits for the meeting as a whole. In our case, we were at Timaru at the request of another category, otherwise we would have stayed in Christchurch and saved our petrol. As for Skope, that is our only meeting each year that we go out and shoot for fun, to try new techniques/locations/angles etc because at every other meeting, we only have 8 laps to get the shot.

So next time you see a photo, think about this. To you, an image file may have no value, its just some bytes. But to motorsport photographers, every image has a value made up of that shutterclick, webhosting, time to edit, software costs, depreciation on camera gear, maintenance, education and safety equipment.

[Spgeti]

Alison, your work that Robert and you do for HMC/HSC is always appreciated. It was great to meet you both at Timaru and all our guys appreciated the photos from the meeting.

Keep the good work going...

Cheers
Bruce Dyer
HSC Director

[alikat]

Alison, your work that Robert and you do for HMC/HSC is always appreciated. It was great to meet you both at Timaru and all our guys appreciated the photos from the meeting.

Keep the good work going...

Cheers
Bruce Dyer
HSC Director

Thanks Bruce. Just felt I had to respond to some very unfair comments made by people that have no knowledge of who we actually are or what we actually do!

[ERC]

Just got an email from media77, the photographers at the classic, they said that they never shot any formula junior pics, because they "didnt think anyone would be interested", really!!
So what is the true story?

I have never made a cent out of my photographs - even though several have been used on the covers of race programmes, print ads, Facebook cover pages, Club Magazine covers - all without acknowledgement or permission...

But there again I am just a snapper but carry the virtually the same costs and time demands as a pro.

Having made the effort to go a meeting as a pro, I would have thought that whilst there, for the sakes of another 30 cars, it would open up another income stream? It isn't as if there are extra costs especially with digital. I remember the days when all I could afford was 3 films and I had to save up for another couple of weeks for the processing! Then I was often very selective about what classes I shot...

[alikat]

Well, first off, thanks for the misquote. My reply to your email said, and I quote, "we didn't shoot formula junior sorry as we weren't aware that people would want them" because you asked us if we were going to post photos of the FJs - we can't shoot what we don't know there is demand for, as well as open wheelers not being our market. Sorry if that offends you, but I'm paying the bills for Media77. I know other professional photographers that did shoot the FJs, but they don't have websites, so are we getting it in the neck because we're more visible and easier to contact?

We make barely make enough to cover our costs to run the website, email hosting, web hosting, a pro dropbox account to move large files, subscriptions for editing software - all adds up quite quickly. Digital may seem cheap, but cameras have a limited shutter life, and a replacement shutter isn't cheap either. Our stuff appears everywhere without permission so that problem isn't unique to you, its a problem that comes with the internet.

There is the illusion too that digital doesn't cost. Have you bought a 4tb hard drive lately? A $4000 camera also has a limited life. 150,000 shutter clicks. There is the cost of the internet connection to upload it, and the cost of buying storage on a webserver. And memory cards.

Also, another 30 cars across say four races, would add about 2500 images to our workflow and thats something that we don't actually have time to process. Today, after having worked 8 hours, I came home and edited for three, cooked dinner and now I'm sitting in bed working on images. Now, if data is cheap, what about my time?

I make no apologies for deciding to run my business how I want to run my business. I certainly don't come and tell you what to do with your time.

[ERC]

Fair comment. I'm not having a go and believe me, I do understand the costs and the time involved. I was merely pointing out the earlier post with your emailed response.

I'm also aware of the shutter life - now, and my sole Nikon died at 23,000 (about half what it should have been) but when I bought it, I never knew that they had a limited shutter life! Fixing it is not financially viable.

I merely stated that even taking two or three shots of the FJ field, say 90 shots, may have been worthwhile, to leave you to concentrate on the other classes. Drivers are generally fairly ego driven and most want to see a pic of themselves. Some may even buy a pic...

Thanks for the response though. It is appreciated and hopefully, others may also have learned a wee bit about the subject.

[alikat]

I wont hold my breath for an apology from the participants in this thread - and their assumptions about us have sealed the fate that we probably won't consider covering FJ in the future. NZ only has one photographer making a full time living off motorsport. The rest of us mere mortals are accountants, retailers, teachers, university students and salespeople doing it because we love it, sticking to what we know and love.

And for the gentleman who found a car he didn't recognise, there is a contact me form on the website. We can identify a car relatively quickly because we've spent every evening for a week looking at said car and probably over a couple of rounds. And once we are home from our day jobs, we usually have a programme filed in the drawer in the spare bedroom.

Hopefully tonight I can finish editing my images from the three hour endurance finale and then prepare for covering our beloved 2KCup and SS Cup at Timaru this coming weekend.

[Terry S]

Terry S,
if you don't like what we post then don't look
But for goodness sake please stop your whingeing because it seems lke YOU can't be bothered making the effort either.
I'm still waiting for you to point me to YOUR photos so I can see how you do it.
This forum is supposed to be, and is, a place where we enjoy looking at images and read stories, memories etc.
Unfortunately you are starting to spoil that experience.
Please stop.

Can I suggest you have a look through this site. Every car and driver named.

http://forums.autosport.com/topic/205239-2017-phillip-island-classic-march-17-19/

[GD66]

Wow.