Motor Racing pics - my early years, 1964-71 ; Pukekohe Racetrack ;by - Roger Dowdingl [Archive]

Roger Dowding

10-11-2015, 11:54 PM

" Motor Racing pics - my early years, 1964-71 ; Pukekohe - other Auckland events 1950's on.. "

The thread has changed it's purpose, now includes other peoples pics and news items ..
It real Title should be :
" The Pukekohe Story "
- 1963 to 2023.
. Other Auckland Events .. Ardmore, and Beach Racing at Muriwai.

With the imminent demise of Pukekohe as a car racing venue in April 2023 - it will join the category of lost tracks.
With that in mind will use the thread for events at other Auckland tracks.
" Have put a lot of other North Island Tracks, Levin, Matamata, Napier, Ohakea the Mount Maunganui Street Circuit that preceded Baypark, and Paritutu, New Plymouth on the " Dunedin 1984 " thread and will continue to do that.
-revised September 6th 2022.

The " Dunedin 1984 " Thread is already used for other South Island Events."

- Matamata, Mount Maunganui, Napier and Paritutu were all Street Circuits, from the 1960's.
- Levin and Baypark as we know were designated Racing Tracks.

The Title of the thread needs to be changed, but for the moment the Title of Post One is changed
" Motor Racing pics - my early years, 1964-71 ; Pukekohe and other Auckland events; "

As mentioned in the thread ;
I first saw racing at Pukekohe in 1964 - The Wills Six Hour Race - from outside the track.
The First meeting I actually attended as a Spectator [ paying ] with a Camera was the Wills Six Hour meeting on 9th October 1965

The Programme for that meeting posted by Ken H in Post #82

The pictures are my own taken with a basic Kodak Camera with no adjustments possible, just point and shoot;.

April 1966 meeting ; the Reverse Direction one ; never tried again as too dangerous and quite a few accidents including
Ron Browns Mini; as mentioned Ron was Assistant Clerk of the course that day ; he was the Team Mate of Allan Boyle who also ran a Cooper " S ".

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Other photos which I tried to remove have stayed
Dennis Marwood Cooper
Ivan Segedin - Fleetwood Mustang
Sports car field from a 1966 meeting .

Roger Dowding

10-12-2015, 12:59 AM

Ivy Stephensen's Lola-Climax
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Morris Cooper - no details of driver
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Feo Stanton - Honda S600
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Probably the best looking of the " Breadvan Anglia " brigade, Paul Fahey - Lotus - Anglia. Did this car pass on to Rod Coppins and John Ward - I am unsure, without going through a few books.
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Have a picture of Neil Doyle's Anglia - Corvette. will post here and on its own thread.

Roger Dowding

10-12-2015, 01:08 AM

Probably the best looking of the " Breadvan Anglia " brigade, Paul Fahey - Lotus - Anglia. Did this car pass on to Rod Coppins and John Ward - I am unsure, without going through a few books.

Answered my own question,thanks Rod Grimwood - you have a newspaper cutting on the Rod Coppins thread, Coppins and Ward did run the ex-Fahey Lotus Anglia.
cheers
Roger

Steve Holmes

10-12-2015, 01:21 AM

Wow, these are fantastic Roger! Thanks for sharing, I hope there are more?

Roger Dowding

10-12-2015, 01:55 AM

Wow, these are fantastic Roger! Thanks for sharing, I hope there are more?

Steve, yes there are about 70 - 100 or so, some that I had found earlier, have been going through them as the print numbers on the back are helping me group them together.
There will be some duplication as have posted some before but this time trying to get them in a Timeline ;
from 1965 through the 70's.
the 1965 shots are colour from the Benson and Hedges, they need some work as have stuck together and need to be gently cleaned, so have started with the B & W's from April '66

Kiwiboss

10-12-2015, 01:56 AM

WOW those are fantastic pictures Roger, the one of the Fleetwood Mustang would be quite rare as I've not seen many pics with the exhaust thu the bonnet, considering how new the car would have been back then!! Dale M

hilstwist

10-12-2015, 02:26 AM

I took a photo the same day probably, also on the trailer.it's the main photo at the start of one of my collection which was posted on here a few years ago I wonder if it raced that day? SO long ago I can't remember!

hilstwist

10-12-2015, 02:28 AM

The Fleetwood Mustang I mean

Roger Dowding

10-12-2015, 05:51 AM

Mentioned that my collection was Black and White [ all 3 inch square photos ], on this occasion had the loan of a Leica and colour film, a few shots from the event and includes the " Fleetwood Mustang ", not good quality.
Look at the crowds and the car parking..
The Gold Leaf 3 Hour was for improved Cars or Cars other than Saloons ;

The Fleetwood Mustang
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Honda S600. probably Feo Stanton as he raced one at the April 1966 meeting.
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In the interval between the Gold Leaf 3 Hour and the Wills 6 Hour, there was entertainment on the front ' start ' straight, by way of a Minispinning demonstration .
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Roger Dowding

10-12-2015, 06:15 AM

Between races the Pits ..
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Renault and Simca
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Mini-Cooper and Honda s 600 from the Gold Leaf 3 hour.
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Zephyr 6 and Alfa Romeo
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Would have gone there with my Father, Mac Dowding, and we actually went into the track for this year, 1964, stood in the paddock beside the track so we didn't pay.
Was still at school, but had just got my licence in the August of 1965. Think I may have been allowed to drive there, but not back, in case I had learn't something about Speed..
The car we went in was a 1963 Ford Zephyr 6, like the last photo, had one diagonal seatbelt for the driver.
How things have changed, with the track and were you could go, and our cars.
Have just a few from the 1967, Races Gold Leaf 3 hour and Wills 6 Hour to follow, then back to the Black and Whites for Pukekohe in 1966-67..

Roger Dowding

10-12-2015, 06:50 AM

Another set of colour prints and rectangular so must have borrowed a camera again, probably the Leica ;
Gold Leaf 3 Hour

Mustangs and Minis;
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Anglia's and Minis - Mustang still of to the side - No Safety Car or Race slowed to remove the vehicle;
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Wills 6 Hour at the start Vauxhalls and Zephyrs - Straight Six versus Vee Six
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At the Loop - that became the Club Circuit - Zephyr Austin 1800 and an unknown.
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The loop and Dunlop bridge another Zephyr.
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That is all - unless there are more Hidden Gems. back to the Black and Whites and 1966.

Milan Fistonic

10-12-2015, 08:57 AM

The Mini number 111 was driven by R. H. Cullen in the 0-1000cc Allcomers class

Kevin Hirst

10-12-2015, 07:38 PM

The Mini number 111 was driven by R. H. Cullen in the 0-1000cc Allcomers class

Has anybody got a shot of a black austin A90 westminster in the allcomers reverse direction races, would love to see the old girl again, with thank's in anticipation.

Milan Fistonic

10-12-2015, 10:08 PM

Has anybody got a shot of a black austin A90 westminster in the allcomers reverse direction races, would love to see the old girl again, with thank's in anticipation.

No photo but here's the entry list for your race.

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khyndart in CA

10-12-2015, 10:38 PM

Geez Kevin, with some of that competition poor old # 107 must have felt like it was going in the reverse direction !
You have my admiration.

(Ken H )

Kevin Hirst

10-13-2015, 02:34 AM

Geez Kevin, with some of that competition poor old # 107 must have felt like it was going in the reverse direction !
You have my admiration.

(Ken H )

Thank's for that Ken, the old girl had been developed a bit by then, trip, trip, triple carbs, a lot of head work bored out to 3 ltr's trusty M&S cam, decent exhaust, so didn't disgrace itself, Seabrook's where selling N,O,S heads & block's for ten pound's each at that stage so bought one of each to play around with in spare time' , these never cracked head's like most other flying A motors of the time

Grant Sprague

10-13-2015, 03:26 AM

Thank's for that Ken, the old girl had been developed a bit by then, trip, trip, triple carbs, a lot of head work bored out to 3 ltr's trusty M&S cam, decent exhaust, so didn't disgrace itself, Seabrook's where selling N,O,S heads & block's for ten pound's each at that stage so bought one of each to play around with in spare time' , these never cracked head's like most other flying A motors of the time Thank you for these , I have not seen many photos of the loop.... great photos , also the one Bob sent the other day , fantastic

Roger Dowding

10-13-2015, 03:43 AM

No photo but here's the entry list for your race.

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Milan, The 1st 2nd and 3rd - in that order through the Esses [ very poor shot ].
thanks for the programme page - I had notes on the back of photos and found that the Zephyr Corvette was K Bailey and the Humber Jaguar had no name.

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Roger Dowding

10-13-2015, 03:53 AM

The Allcomers field heading for the grid

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Johnny Riley heading for the grid
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Humber Jaguar T Boyle - ex Frank Radisich
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Zephyr Corvette K [ Ken ] Bailey - ex Rod Coppins
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The Morrari, - Garth Souness
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on its trailer - almost wider than the trailer with those huge welded widened wheels.
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Thanks to Milan for the race list from the programme - helped with some driver details.

AMCO72

10-13-2015, 04:31 AM

The scrutineers would have apoplexy if this stuff turned up today!! That Humber Jag looks a mean bit of equipment.

Spgeti

10-13-2015, 05:05 AM

Roger, these are amazing photos...I just love the Morrari.

John McKechnie

10-13-2015, 05:31 AM

Anyone know the history on Ken Bailey and his organ stacked MK 2 Zephyr

GD66

10-13-2015, 05:45 AM

Grant Sprague

10-13-2015, 05:46 AM

Yea & they said the south islanders were rough ....lol....... Gerald, Roly gave me a ribbing about how how Ernie cut his grill out to fit the oil cooler in Mk 3 , I had to laugh as Roly was a perfectionist , Ernie was shes about 100% that will do work & it did .....

Roger Dowding

10-13-2015, 07:10 AM

Anglia and Mini.
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Lotus Anglia
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A40 Ford Mike Meek
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any information to identify the drivers appreciated.

See Milan Fistonic post below the Entry Lists.
The Anglia top photo is M M [ Mike ] Walker,
The Fastback Anglia is the Dave Simpson Car, by now with Frank Radisich, who had the Humber 80, Humber - Zephyr, later the Humber Jaguar, noted in other posts on this story..

SPman

10-13-2015, 07:16 AM

Dave Simpson's Lotus Anglia.

John McKechnie

10-13-2015, 07:48 AM

So when did Ken Bailey remove the organ pipes- Puke pic show them, #23 they arent there.

Milan Fistonic

10-13-2015, 09:09 AM

The May 1966 meeting was unusual in that most of the races were for motorcycles and only two classes of cars were run - up to and over 1000cc.

Here are the entry lists

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Noo Noo

10-13-2015, 10:20 AM

So when did Ken Bailey remove the organ pipes- Puke pic show them, #23 they arent there.

The 2 black and white shots are ones I put up on TRS. Took them at the Nov.1966 Levin meeting.

Maybe Steve Twist can remember when he took the colour one of Coppins at Levin.

David Hunter

Kiwiboss

10-13-2015, 07:33 PM

So when did Ken Bailey remove the organ pipes- Puke pic show them, #23 they arent there.

Ken Bailey is still around, lives here in Tauranga. I worked with him many years ago at the TGA County council, I do speak to him from time to time but haven't for awhile.

Dale M

John McKechnie

10-13-2015, 10:26 PM

Ken Bailey is still around, lives here in Tauranga. I worked with him many years ago at the TGA County council, I do speak to him from time to time but haven't for awhile.

Dale M
Thanks Dale- I actually did some digging on the Rod Coppins thread and found that Colin McBeth had to put them in the conventional way to comply with the new rules. It was a difficult job.

Hey....lets get this right here- you actually worked- maybe even with your hands- at some time of your life ?
бедный мальчик, no wonder you are off racing so much.

Roger Dowding

10-13-2015, 10:46 PM

The May 1966 meeting was unusual in that most of the races were for motorcycles and only two classes of cars were run - up to and over 1000cc.

Here are the entry lists

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Milan thanks for the entry lists, once again, helps with the details.
Have a photo of the Jim Boyd Volvo a P1800 sports coupe, will post that in the next group of photos
the Over 1000 cc race would have been a very mixed bag with Gp1, Gp2 and allcomers together.

I seem to remember that this was the last combined Motorcycle and Car meeting at Club level, the Auto Cycle Union and the Association of New Zealand Car Clubs [ later MANZ and now MSNZ ], did not really get on.
Grand Prix's of course continued with Bikes and Cars.

At that time both Auckland Car Club and Northern Sports Car Club had there own " invitation " meetings, later the two clubs organised the meetings together, they didn't always have the resources / manpower to keep running them on their own.
I used to Marshall, initially crowd control, then on a couple of occasions Flag for NSCC.
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Bruce302

10-14-2015, 12:40 AM

Didn't Rod have the non stack exhaust when he had the scoop and injection on his engine ?

Thanks Dale- I actually did some digging on the Rod Coppins thread and found that Colin McBeth had to put them in the conventional way to comply with the new rules. It was a difficult job.

Hey....lets get this right here- you actually worked- maybe even with your hands- at some time of your life ?
бедный мальчик, no wonder you are off racing so much.

бедный мальчик
That's rude !

Bruce.

John McKechnie

10-14-2015, 12:58 AM

бедный мальчик- is Russian for Poor Boy.
Not rude , buy very , very polite, with a gentle hint of ribbing.
Been doing a bit of research. thanks to your thread on Rod, and seems like almost every outing, there is some change, and your answers are there

Roger Dowding

10-14-2015, 03:58 AM

Milan thanks for the entry lists, once again, helps with the details.
Have a photo of the Jim Boyd Volvo a P1800 sports coupe, will post that in the next group of photos.
here is that photo ;
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Heron Daimler - built by Ross Baker and Ken Richardson according to Graham Vercoe's book.
unsure what meeting this was but would be 1966 or 1967. The Daimler 2.5 V8 with stack exhausts.
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Some interesting cars in the paddock area.

Rob Williams Ford V8 coupe, at Pukekohe in 1968, which he still runs
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a Custom Anglia
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Milan Fistonic

10-14-2015, 04:46 AM

The Heron Daimler was number 16 at the April 23 1966 meeting and was driven by Ken Richardson

Roger Dowding

10-14-2015, 06:39 AM

The Heron Daimler was number 16 at the April 23 1966 meeting and was driven by Ken Richardson

Milan, thanks again, I can now put the photo back in order.
Wish I had kept those programmes..

Roger Dowding

10-15-2015, 07:03 AM

Stanton Corvette Geoff Mardon
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Begg 4.7 Barry Keen
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Ferrari 275LM Andy Buchanan
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BRM
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After the Custaxie and the end of allcomers Robbie Francevic had this beast the Fairlane 7 litre
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Saloon cars Anglia's Mini's and A40's to follow

Roger Dowding

10-15-2015, 07:52 AM

Ken Bailey bought Coppins' Zephyr Corvette, ran it in red/black and then blue/white at Levin.
B &W pics by David Hunter.
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Bailey at Levin : pic by Steve Twist.
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A bloke called Allan Lim owned the Zephyr Corvette at some stage as well : Bailey didn't run it very long as I recall.

Allan Lim I believe ran an Mid 30's V8 Coupe as well, around a 1936 model, at grasstrack meeting, think he was from Pukekohe.

The stack pipes,
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the famous photo that is back to front Left Hand Drive as pointed out in another thread

Bruce302

10-15-2015, 08:49 AM

Alan Lim sold the Zephyr to Robin Tanner, and I think Alan took Robin's '39 Ford Coupe. It had been chopped and channeled, Jag front end and various other hot rod mods.

http://i59.tinypic.com/sfdts0.jpg
The engine when Robin had it was a very stout 350 with crossover Webers 58's maybe.
This was the "Brown's Rd" drags which were actually on what is now Kerrs Rd Wiri.
A little off track and I apologise but I was just looking at this pic earlier tonight.

Bruce.

GD66

10-15-2015, 09:03 AM

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the famous photo that is back to front Left Hand Drive as pointed out in another thread

Also has a rego sticker on the windscreen :)

Kwaussie

10-15-2015, 09:17 AM

What a great looking coupe - dexion helping the rear axle location!
Just a little correction Roger - the Galaxie was a Fairlane - I made that mistake some years ago on this forum and was told by David McKinney in no uncertain terms!
Looking at the wheels on the Begg 4.7 not many would know that George fabricated the four and five spokes and welded to the rims all in his little toyshop in Drummond.

Roger Dowding

10-15-2015, 09:44 PM

GD66

10-15-2015, 11:26 PM

Already covered...
http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?1258-Article-Robbie-Francevic-s-427-Fairlane

Roger Dowding

10-15-2015, 11:50 PM

Already covered...
http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?1258-Article-Robbie-Francevic-s-427-Fairlane

GD66, thanks - will have to rewrite the back of the photos. and corect my thread.
cheers.

GD66

10-16-2015, 01:21 AM

No dramas, bud. Loving the pics, quite a treat to see stuff like this turning up, like opening a dusty old photo album from years ago.

Gotta love TRS !

Ray Bell

10-16-2015, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Roger Dowding
.....Rob Williams Ford V8 coupe, at Pukekohe in 1968, which he still runs
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Is this a '39 or a '40? I'm a bit bewildered by the wheels, as I thought they ran only from '36 to '39 with the big stud pattern and that in 1940 they changed to the 5.5" stud circle (same as A-model etc). Yet this is a '40 grille, is it not?

John McKechnie

10-16-2015, 03:29 AM

1939- check the grille between standard and deluxe for 1939 and 1940.

Bruce302

10-16-2015, 04:00 AM

1939- check the grille between standard and deluxe for 1939 and 1940.

Yup 39 Deluxe, and It has a one piece windscreen, pretty groovy for '68. Probably a Morris Minor item.
Bruce.

Roger Dowding

10-16-2015, 05:24 AM

Yup 39 Deluxe, and It has a one piece windscreen, pretty groovy for '68. Probably a Morris Minor item.
Bruce.

Windscreen from a Morris Minor and tail lights [ not seen in the photos ] from a Peugeot 203 , [ ask Oldfart, as we have had this discussion on another thread ] Rob being Rob, a great panelbeater and engineer had probably modified the wheels as well.

Roger Dowding

10-16-2015, 05:44 AM

Frank Hamlins Mini special
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Neil Doyle's Anglia Olds / Chev
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Have been posted on specific threads " Mini's and Imps " and the " Doyle / Dickie Anglia Chev ". but they belong here too!!

Roger Dowding

10-17-2015, 07:20 AM

Lotus Anglia Frank Radisich
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Lotus Ford Farina Ron Rutherford
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Austin A40 Farina Jim Mullins
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Morris Cooper 970S Alan Boyle and a crate of Coke drinks
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Austin Cooper S Brian Foley not the lightweight he brought to NZ at other meetings.
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Austin Healey Sprite - a favourite of mine as owned 4 over a number of years
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That is the last of the Grand Prix pit photos .

Spgeti

10-17-2015, 07:44 AM

Thanks Roger, these have been a real treat.....thank you.

Roger Dowding

10-17-2015, 08:00 AM

Thanks Roger, these have been a real treat.....thank you.

Spgeti, Bruce D, more to come from later meetings taken in the pits, plus a lot of action shots that I need to scan and check as may not be very good - as in blurry or too distant

Kiwiboss

10-17-2015, 10:25 AM

Spgeti, Bruce D, more to come from later meetings taken in the pits, plus a lot of action shots that I need to scan and check as may not be very good - as in blurry or too distant

Roger, these are some of the best saloon car pictures capturing our great New Zealand saloon car racing history i've ever seen, friggen awesume mate!! i say this because the open wheel cars were usually the main attraction and considered to be more a "racing car" hence more photos attend to appear, were-as the saloons had less reconition althought they meant more to the average man.

PS: luv the wooden drinks crate next to the mini, can just remember those :)

Dale M

Kiwiboss

10-17-2015, 10:29 AM

Thanks Dale- I actually did some digging on the Rod Coppins thread and found that Colin McBeth had to put them in the conventional way to comply with the new rules. It was a difficult job.

Hey....lets get this right here- you actually worked- maybe even with your hands- at some time of your life ?
бедный мальчик, no wonder you are off racing so much.

WELL, off racing is working with your hands isn't it? :) Dale M

Milan Fistonic

10-17-2015, 05:24 PM

The number 96 Sprite would be Rodger Anderson's, Very quick car - used to have some good dices with Dave Silcock's XK120.

Roger Dowding

10-18-2015, 07:08 AM

Field getting ready to run.
Didn't take many photos that day, was possibly a Marshall, so kept busy.

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Roger Dowding

10-18-2015, 08:10 AM

One very quick Camaro

Dennis Marwood - RIP Dennis in 2023

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Roger Dowding

10-18-2015, 08:15 AM

Jim Palmer's Porsche 911

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and the Alan Boyle Coca Cola Viva GT, showing the crate of drinks back in 1968 by the Mini must have worked.

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Will leave this thread of a while as have to sort quite a lot of photos, some good some bad..

Ray Bell

10-18-2015, 09:39 PM

A shame I didn't make arrangements for today, Roger...

I've stayed at Caboolture overnight and I could easily have ducked across to Bellara by the Sea to have a chat.

Roger Dowding

10-18-2015, 09:54 PM

A shame I didn't make arrangements for today, Roger...

I've stayed at Caboolture overnight and I could easily have ducked across to Bellara by the Sea to have a chat.

sent you a PM reply, another time Ray, as am sure we could talk for hours.
cheers

Roger D

Ross Hollings

10-18-2015, 10:46 PM

Roger Dowding

10-19-2015, 06:54 AM

Regarding Alan Boyle and his soft drink crate. Alan worked in the Signwriting Department at CocaCola for many years,his sign written numbers are evident on a great number of race cars ,his style was unique to him and if you look closely at old photos you will see how many he did,especially the Mini Cooper brigade,[Ron Browns car is one].He raced a very quick Mini [amongst other cars]which was called Violet,it was immaculate of course.He did the Morris 1100 i partnered with Bruce Blacklock in the 1967 Wills 6 Hour,sponsered by Coster Motors.

I met Ron at Pukekohe and Alan as at the time Ron's girl friend then - the blonde in one of the crash pictures was my childhood neighbour, our parents were great neighbours and stayed friends for decades.
as you say Alan's cars were always well painted and looked very smart, Ron and Alan ran as a team at the time of the reverse track meeting at Pukekohe.

Roger Dowding

10-19-2015, 07:27 AM

From Pukekohe 1966-67 unsure of which meeting(s).

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Have put Rod Coppins as driver but may be Ken Bailey - photos from different print runs and no details on the back.

Just noticed, Stack pipes have gone so probably '67 and with Ken Bailey

Roger Dowding

10-19-2015, 11:29 PM

A photo from the book " 30 years of Grand Prix racing 1954-83 " about Ardmore and Pukekohe.
Laurie Powell early member of NSCC and ACC, used race a Ford V8 convertible in the 50's then did this in the 60's 70's.

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GD66

10-20-2015, 01:20 AM

Moss Tait and Stan Baird on the front in the L&P cars, Fahey's Escort third on the left, Coppins' Cambridge Camaro fourth right.

Roger Dowding

10-20-2015, 02:07 AM

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More details have emerged on the Pontiac, a 7 litre..
see recent posts 2023/24..

Roger Dowding

10-20-2015, 02:24 AM

Is that Jack Nazer sideways ?? in the Anglia
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the White car looks like an old Vanguard - too small to tell
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poor qaulity photo's- some different cars

Oldfart

10-20-2015, 04:43 AM

There was a "humpy Vanguard" that ran in that field and seems right. One commentator at the time referred to it as "the guards van comes round, as you would expect at the back of the train".

SPman

10-20-2015, 04:43 AM

"Is that Jack Nazer sideways ?? in the Anglia " Looks like it. That's Jack behind Robbie in #65 as well

Trevor Sheffield

10-20-2015, 04:50 AM

A photo from the book " 30 years of Grand Prix racing 1954-83 " about Ardmore and Pukekohe.
Laurie Powell early member of NSCC and ACC, used race a Ford V8 coupe in the 50's then did this in the 60's 70's.

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Roger,

You have turned Laurie Powell in his grave. He would never have had a bar of a closed coupe. He drove a Ford B4 Roadster fitted with a Ford v8 flat head. He purposely had this car so as to comply with the Northern Sports Car Club early insistence on open cars.

Below is a message I sent to the Classic Driver magazine 22/12/09 which may prove of interest. Possibly it should be transferred to an alternative section. In direct and unlikely comparison, Laurie also owned a side valve Morris Minor open tourer which was also noteworthy.

The Editor, Classic Driver.

I particularly like your magazine, because you make it clear that the correction of historical information is sort after and welcomed. Unfortunately a great deal of inaccurate car related data, has in the past bean published without prior confirmation, subsequently to become transcribed as being fact.

The mystery Ford Roadster, issue 29, page 105 and issue 30. page 22, could very well be the car once owned by the late Laurie Powell, and a quite legendary vehicle. However the photo most certainly does not show Laurie in the drivers seat.

Laurie affectionately referred to the car as “The B4”, which in fact it was, having only later in life been transformed with the fitting a venerable side valve Ford V8. Around 1947/8, when raced at at the old Seagrove air strip, I remember it being a smart piece of kit.

At that meeting Laurie because of the price differential, was content with second place in a flying quarter, when up against against as I recall an Auburn speedster. At the time I had ridden out to Seagrove to watch the racing, with a couple of cycle racing friends and wound up with a puncture beyond repair. Laurie gave me a lift home. He had his midget also raced at the venue, in tow on a trailer behind the B4, and this provided a place for my bicycle.

Around 1956/7 I drove along with Laurie, to a race meeting at Ohakea, where we were both entered to compete. This was probably near the last time Laurie used the B4 in competition. On that occasion his entry was refused by the race scrutineers, because of its overall poor condition. At the time I was driving an AC sports car of similar vintage, also Ford V8 powered and another car which has also vanished into the unknown. A trial blast on the way, proved that the B4 had a little more in top speed, due to a few more cubic inches and some Ron Hogan tweaking.

After driving Laurie's B4 V8 I was amazed regarding the quite stiff suspension and relatively direct steering, i.e. when compared with other Americans then on the road. Sideways in loose metal did not present a problem. It was indeed a sporting roadster.

Some years later, post Laurie’s ownership, I ran across what I was sure was the old B4 V8 parked in Vincent Street, Auckland City. It had received very kind treatment and the front axle had been changed and sported disc brakes. A sensible modification with which I agreed, as the car was obviously being used in modern traffic.

Laurie would never have fitted a sissy bar, and I am sure he never ran the car with cycle front guards. However the photo appears to show a tubular front axle, which would suggest that it very well could be Laurie's old car as I had seen it. On many occasions I have asked of anyone who might know, what had happened to the car as it was truly historic. Unfortunately I have always drawn a blank.

Roger Dowding

10-20-2015, 06:57 AM

Trevor,
your knowledge is great I will correct the heading, and thanks for your notes on the Man, who ran the start line with authority.
cheers
Roger

Roger Dowding

10-20-2015, 07:14 AM

There was a "humpy Vanguard" that ran in that field and seems right. One commentator at the time referred to it as "the guards van comes round, as you would expect at the back of the train".

Thanks for the info, wish I had a decent camera at the time.

Roger Dowding

10-20-2015, 07:15 AM

"Is that Jack Nazer sideways ?? in the Anglia " Looks like it. That's Jack behind Robbie in #65 as well

There was something about Jack's Breadvan Anglia that was different, a flatter front and a lower roof, not pretty but driven well.

Milan Fistonic

10-20-2015, 07:53 AM

J W Le Baige from the Auckland University Car Club raced a white Standard Vanguard at the December 10 1966 meeting at Pukekohe.

T Taylor raced a blue and white Vauxhall Velox at the same meeting. He was from the Tauranga Car Club. Could be the one in post 69.

Laurie Powell was responsible for the observations required to get a full racing licence and Mr Le Baige was one of 27 drivers he was vetting that day. One of the others was Magaret Duff.

duncan fox

10-20-2015, 09:26 AM

Roger,

You have turned Laurie Powell in his grave. He would never have had a bar of a closed coupe. He drove a Ford B4 Roadster fitted with a Ford v8 flat head. He purposely had this car so as to comply with the Northern Sports Car Club early insistence on open cars.

Below is a message I sent to the Classic Driver magazine 22/12/09 which may prove of interest. Possibly it should be transferred to an alternative section. In direct and unlikely comparison, Laurie also owned a side valve Morris Minor open tourer which was also noteworthy.

The Editor, Classic Driver.

I particularly like your magazine, because you make it clear that the correction of historical information is sort after and welcomed. Unfortunately a great deal of inaccurate car related data, has in the past bean published without prior confirmation, subsequently to become transcribed as being fact.

The mystery Ford Roadster, issue 29, page 105 and issue 30. page 22, could very well be the car once owned by the late Laurie Powell, and a quite legendary vehicle. However the photo most certainly does not show Laurie in the drivers seat.

Laurie affectionately referred to the car as “The B4”, which in fact it was, having only later in life been transformed with the fitting a venerable side valve Ford V8. Around 1947/8, when raced at at the old Seagrove air strip, I remember it being a smart piece of kit.

At that meeting Laurie because of the price differential, was content with second place in a flying quarter, when up against against as I recall an Auburn speedster. At the time I had ridden out to Seagrove to watch the racing, with a couple of cycle racing friends and wound up with a puncture beyond repair. Laurie gave me a lift home. He had his midget also raced at the venue, in tow on a trailer behind the B4, and this provided a place for my bicycle.

Around 1956/7 I drove along with Laurie, to a race meeting at Ohakea, where we were both entered to compete. This was probably near the last time Laurie used the B4 in competition. On that occasion his entry was refused by the race scrutineers, because of its overall poor condition. At the time I was driving an AC sports car of similar vintage, also Ford V8 powered and another car which has also vanished into the unknown. A trial blast on the way, proved that the B4 had a little more in top speed, due to a few more cubic inches and some Ron Hogan tweaking.

After driving Laurie's B4 V8 I was amazed regarding the quite stiff suspension and relatively direct steering, i.e. when compared with other Americans then on the road. Sideways in loose metal did not present a problem. It was indeed a sporting roadster.

Some years later, post Laurie’s ownership, I ran across what I was sure was the old B4 V8 parked in Vincent Street, Auckland City. It had received very kind treatment and the front axle had been changed and sported disc brakes. A sensible modification with which I agreed, as the car was obviously being used in modern traffic.

Laurie would never have fitted a sissy bar, and I am sure he never ran the car with cycle front guards. However the photo appears to show a tubular front axle, which would suggest that it very well could be Laurie's old car as I had seen it. On many occasions I have asked of anyone who might know, what had happened to the car as it was truly historic. Unfortunately I have always drawn a blank.

Trevor, Laurie's 32 has survived im sure. when I last saw it ,maybe 25 years ago it was owned by a guy in Papatoetoe with, im certain the surname Powell also but not related to Laurie. It looked just as I remembered it parked in his garage in Pt Chev in the 70's, still fully fendered and that pastel green colour. I don't think the car you saw was Lauries as it hadn't been modified.

Trevor Sheffield

10-21-2015, 12:56 AM

duncan fox

10-21-2015, 03:05 AM

Duncan, I have no desire to start an argument. LOL However:-

Laurie’s “B4” was always painted a metallic dark maroon colour, i.e. in accordance with the house colours of his carrying business, as were his Bedford trucks, Morris Minor convertible, V8 Special and DeSoto? sedan.

Years ago I heard a rumour which I have just now had confirmed, that the car was turned into a hot rod and this tied in with the modified car I came across, and that later it was broken up for parts. Please send me a PM, whereupon we may be able to arrange a phone conversation.

Ill Pm you , meanwhile is this the car we are talking about? I went to buy this of Laurie in the early seventies to replace Gp Deuce but I walked away because it was quite rusty. Thats why I was so amazed to see it in Puhanui Rd .I talked at length with the guy who restored it. It was definatly Lauries 32.
In this shot at Seagrove its a light colour not the Maroon his trucks were. Another thought comes to mind here , who in their right mind breaks a 32 Ford roadster up for parts ? Even Pink Panther was ressurected after Eddie had crashed it .Something not right here. I love a mystery ........

Roger Dowding

10-21-2015, 04:26 AM

Information provided by Milan and others has enabled me to work that the photos in the last couple of sequences Sallons and these ones are all from the same film and will be the December 1966 meeting.
Sports Cars - some of my favourites, as owned 10 English ones BMC / BL over a period of 20 + years.

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Roger Dowding

10-21-2015, 06:49 AM

More from December 1966 meeting.

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The Lycoming
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Jaguar XK120 David Silcock ?
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Very poor photo but could it be David Oxtons Lola Ford as mentioned in " David Oxton Magic Memories " article in the
" Auckland Car Club 75th Anniversary 1932 to 2007 " Book, which features photos from Ross Cammick and Milan Fistonich, from TRS amongst others.

khyndart in CA

10-21-2015, 06:54 AM

Roger,
Sorry that I am arriving a bit late but here is some input from the 1965 Wills 6 hour race and the 3 hour Challenge race where the Fleetwood Motors Mustang first appeared driven by Ivan Segedin and Dennis Simmons. 2 weeks later on October 23rd my sister got married (50 years ago ) and Dennis was at her wedding. I spent most of the afternoon following Dennis around asking Mustang questions etc..I think he was glad to get away from me pestering him..it was like I was talking to God !
Anyway here is some programme input.

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( Ken Hyndman )

Milan Fistonic

10-21-2015, 07:07 AM

There were races for Modified Production Sports Cars, Sports and Sports-Racing Cars and combined events for both classes. They were a 30-minute race and a handicap race.

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BMCBOY

10-21-2015, 08:48 PM

khyndart in CA

10-21-2015, 08:52 PM

Roger Dowding

10-21-2015, 09:41 PM

[QUOTE=Roger Dowding;49328]Lotus Anglia Frank Radisich

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Roger,
Even though the "bread van" Anglias were quicker I think the Hyndman Anglia in 1969 was a better looking vehicle.
It spent quite a bit of time at Pukekohe and it also transported a few Waikato lassies safely home !
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( Ken Hyndman with some useless input )

Ken, brilliant, I had my Driving Lessons in an Anglia and got my licence in the same car August 1965, Have the old book licence which is a reissue as it went through the washing machine and had to be replaced in about 1971

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The paper licence that replaced the book licence has still not expired " a licence for life " we were told, however have had multiple card sized licences since, including as shown here.
Never did get a refund on the unused portion of the paper licence.

duncan fox

10-21-2015, 11:12 PM

Ill Pm you , meanwhile is this the car we are talking about? I went to buy this of Laurie in the early seventies to replace Gp Deuce but I walked away because it was quite rusty. Thats why I was so amazed to see it in Puhanui Rd .I talked at length with the guy who restored it. It was definatly Lauries 32.
In this shot at Seagrove its a light colour not the Maroon his trucks were. Another thought comes to mind here , who in their right mind breaks a 32 Ford roadster up for parts ? Even Pink Panther was ressurected after Eddie had crashed it .Something not right here. I love a mystery ........

OK.....heres the oil on the Powell 32.

I was correct in my recollection of Lauries car being light green it was never Maroon Im reliably told. It was also looked at by my longtime 32 Ford owner friend Warren Fairhurst when Laurie was trying to sell it. He confirms it was light green also, as rusty as all hell but was equally surprised later to have seen it restored by Paul Grace in Auckland. (not the Hot Rod mag editor who also owned a 32 roadster at the time) I knew the name was a double up , just not Lauries. It was later exported to the US.

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 12:06 AM

khyndart in CA

10-22-2015, 01:36 AM

For those who are interested here is a little bit from a previous post I put together about the day at Pukekohe in October 1965

http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?1642-My-Time-At-Trojan-Works-London-By-Ken-Hyndman/page7&highlight=hyndman

( Ken Hyndman )

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 03:03 AM

Ray Bell

10-22-2015, 03:46 AM

The open-wheeler, No 4, looks a bit U2-ish...

Any details on these cars?

Trevor Sheffield

10-22-2015, 05:45 AM

[QUOTE=khyndart in CA;49401]Roger,
Sorry that I am arriving a bit late but here is some input from the 1965 Wills 6 hour race and the 3 hour Challenge race where the Fleetwood Motors Mustang first appeared driven by Ivan Segedin and Dennis Simmons.

Here's a photo taken by Peter Bruin of the start of the 3 hr Challenge.
The Fleetwood Mustang nose up as usual and Bill Dunster driving the Healey 3000 that I have owned since 1973

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The fourth car in the line up is my Daimler SP250, which finished in third place overall heading the Mustang into fourth place. My partner driver was my friend the sadly now late Bill Kelly. Our participation was a shoestring affair and the SP250 served as daily personal, business and family transport and certainly did not arrive on a trailer. We won the 1,601 - 3,000 cc class.

I vividly recall my very amateur pit crew, brandishing a “slow down” signal with shaken fists during the final laps, with them having in mind the class win. However I was thinking about the the extra money for third place and pressed on accordingly and got past the Mustang. LOL

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 06:44 AM

The open-wheeler, No 4, looks a bit U2-ish...

Any details on these cars?

Ray the open wheelers, yes - when I posted this photo on another thread, there was info from others, was a mixed field of Formula V, sports cars [ U2 -ish ] and Formula Fords / Juniors.
Will dig the info out and repost.

Have found the info - see a new post just now cheers Ray.

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 07:05 AM

The Police get the best view
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From the Club Circuit meeting
Damage caused by an errant wheel from a Triumph 2000
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A Blurry Morrari
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Single seaters and Sports dummy grid, Club circuit meeting
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notes on the back say
- U2, Ford #4, Brabham -Fiat #61, Formula Vee #3, with Mini Special alongside, another F-Vee behind.

And this from TRS member rf84
- Barney Pellow in the Brabham, ? in the U2 (fairly distinctive alloy wheels should identify it), the "Mini special" is an MER-possibly Doug Cross? The F Vee behind the MER (and in the large photo) looks very much like a McQueen Vee (Auckland built car based closely on an Australian "Elfin" design).

And this from Milan Fistonich
- The U2 looks like the one my mate raced in the mid-sixties. He sold it to Graeme Morley. It was built by Graham McRae and was unusual in that it had independent rear suspension.

Edit: Morley is listed as competing at the Club Circuit on August 18 1968 so it must be his car.

This from Ross Hollings edited ;
- Minimax on back of grid with Ken Flashman in the ex Peter Bruin Cooper Vincent.

GD66

10-22-2015, 07:12 AM

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 07:18 AM

The MER looks like the one pedalled by Les Riesterer himself. And I think the #77 Mini with the big grille hammering away beside the Mustang in the short circuit pic may be Ted Thompson's Ford-engined weapon.

GD66, yes the Lotus-Ford Mini made the by the man from Kumeu, i have a photo of it sitting on the grass, with 13 inch fronts and 10 inch rear wheels. I posted it on minis and Imps, will repost here

GeebeeNZ

10-22-2015, 07:32 AM

Re Post #82 and #84 Having owned a few Fiat 500s over the years, including the Abarth one that I still have, I decided to track down the Willls 6 hr Fiat 500. A registration check showed its last owner was a person in BeachHaven. A drive past revealed it was in a carport with a broken windscreen. A small amount of money changed hands and I owned a Fiat 500 with a racing history. Sadly it was too rusty to put back on the road cheaply and I eventually sold it to another collector. In #84 Lotus Cortina No 16 is the car belonging to Captain Ian Bradley. Ian raced it in that race with Robbie Francevic. Sadly my friend Ian passed away suddenly a few months ago but not before telling us the story of how a Navy Captain managed to use his connections to buy a Lotus Cortina in the UK and get it brought to NZ. Not forgetting that those were days of import restrictions and tight control on Overseas funds.
Graeme

Trevor Sheffield

10-22-2015, 07:49 AM

OK.....heres the oil on the Powell 32.

I was correct in my recollection of Lauries car being light green it was never Maroon Im reliably told. It was also looked at by my longtime 32 Ford owner friend Warren Fairhurst when Laurie was trying to sell it. He confirms it was light green also, as rusty as all hell but was equally surprised later to have seen it restored by Paul Grace in Auckland. (not the Hot Rod mag editor who also owned a 32 roadster at the time) I knew the name was a double up , just not Lauries. It was later exported to the US.

Duncan,

I had been anxiously awaiting your PM so that an argument would not take place here. This site is used by several as an historical reference so that accuracy is important. It is therefore unfortunate that You have been very unreliably delivered used oil and therefore badly informed.

I can't recall the colour of the car when it raced at Seagrove, however later I was intimate with the “B4” for a period of say twenty years and am certainly not colour blind. I can feel the old car in my bones at this instant, LOL. I have also checked with several friends of like age who also knew Laurie and the car very well and in close exact detail. What is more although the car was last in a sadly well used state, none of us recall it being, "as rusty as hell". Unfortunately Laurie's son Terry is also no longer with us.

You may have been told that the light green rusty as hell car you came across had been owned by Laurie Powell, but if your “reliable” informant said “it was never maroon”, you have been badly lead widely astray.

Please as requested earlier, send me a PM so that we can discuss this further by phone. If you are located outside of Auckland City, I have free calling and can call you at no cost. Incidentally, I am listed in the Auckland phone directory.

Sincerely, Trevor.

stubuchanan

10-22-2015, 10:15 AM

[QUOTE=BMCBOY;49405]

The fourth car in the line up is my Daimler SP250, which finished in third place overall heading the Mustang into fourth place. My partner driver was my friend the sadly now late Bill Kelly. Our participation was a shoestring affair and the SP250 served as daily personal, business and family transport and certainly did not arrive on a trailer. We won the 1,601 - 3,000 cc class.

I vividly recall my very amateur pit crew, brandishing a “slow down” signal with shaken fists during the final laps, with them having in mind the class win. However I was thinking about the the extra money for third place and pressed on accordingly and got past the Mustang. LOL

I recently had some 8mm movie film I took of the Gold Leaf 3 Hours converted to DVD format. Not in any way stunning footage, but a record of the day. From the film it looked as if the Mustang and the Oxton(Dave?) Daimler slightly jumped the start, or that the Dunster/Conway Healey was slow getting away, and in the photo above neither of the second-row Daimlers had moved. Not that it would be critical in a 3 hour race. This was an interesting race, the eventual winning Mini-Cooper 1293 of Mullins/Neilson coming round 4th at the end of lap 1 (after starting half-way down the grid - which was in engine capacity order like Le Mans ) and 3rd the next time round, and passing Franicevic's Lotus Cortina for 2nd about lap 10. At this stage the Mustang had a 50 second lead!
Brake troubles intervened later, and I wonder if they had already caused some worry, judging by the activity around the car in this shot from just before the grid formed up.

http://s6.postimg.org/k1g6g5bsh/Segedin_Simmons_Mustang_Pre_Start_GLeaf_650007.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 10:19 AM

GD66, yes the Lotus-Ford Mini made the by the man from Kumeu, i have a photo of it sitting on the grass, with 13 inch fronts and 10 inch rear wheels. I posted it on minis and Imps, will repost here

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Here is the car, described as the Lotus-Ford Mini, or any variation of the three names, only ever saw it once at this quickfire Televised club circuit meeting in 1968, same meeting as the single seater photos, Ted Thomson was an Engineer of some note, and I believe was deaf [ others may be able to confirm ], grafting a Lotus Twincam onto a Mini gearbox final drive was some feat.

The club circuit part of Pukekohe was deceptive as I found out in the 1978 NSCC Motorsport Day, a five event motoring day, in a Triumph GT6 Coupe
[ Gymkhana, Trial part 1, Club Circuit Sprint, Trial part 2, and Hillclimb at Cosseys Farm ], got wide at the top of the loop off the track and on the grass which was cambered, kept going 'til I got back on the seal again. No pictures though sigh !!! .

stubuchanan

10-22-2015, 10:24 AM

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 10:37 AM

A couple more - stills from the 8mm movie - the winning Mullins & Neilson 1293cc Cooper . Weather must have clouded over at the end of the 3 hours.

http://s6.postimg.org/l50as3wfl/Car_10_Mullins_Neilson_Reduc.png (http://postimage.org/)

Trevor's #20 Daimler minus its number from passenger door - they seemed to have been made of paper.

http://s6.postimg.org/qhp568kc1/Car_20_3rd_Improv.png (http://postimage.org/)

Stu Buchanan

Stu thanks for the images, what a field from Minis to Cortinas Daimlers and a Healey the Mustang ;
- one of the first Motor race meetings I went to, [ still at school, just got my licence and my Dad took me, don't think was allowed to drive the mark 3, Zephyr Six ], well maybe drove there, and he drove back in case I decided to speed up, 2.5 litre with four on the tree, and a seat belt diagonal for the driver only - 1963 model, seat belts optional, then recommended, then compulsory, in the front by 1966, in my Mini by then , I put them in my 1962 Austin A40 Farina, and they were in my 1965 Sprite - could be a whole new topic

BMCBOY

10-22-2015, 04:52 PM

Another Peter Bruin Photo taken before the race start

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ERC

10-22-2015, 07:35 PM

Note the comprehensive 3 x 2 grid markings. With all that paint, must have been a nightmare for bikes in the wet.

Ross Hollings

10-22-2015, 07:53 PM

The Mullins Cooper S is fully restored to showroom condition and lives in Auckland,I actually owned this car for 6 months,was buggered when i got it and was blue,had a great set of ownership papers though,which the current owner still has,will post a photo
when i can find it !.Rosco

Roger Dowding

10-22-2015, 09:32 PM

Another Peter Bruin Photo taken before the race start

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Thanks to Ross [ photo ] and Ken [ entry list ] for providing these thought they should be together.
Remember meeting Peter Bruin when he ran his Lotus 11 !! replica at the Concourse in Te Atatu, in the industrial road where the recycle station is, the Vintage Car Club had a bent sprint, would have been mid 1970's

khyndart in CA

10-23-2015, 02:16 AM

I still smile about Dennis Simmons when I read this entry that I put in my TRS thread last November.

" October 1965. Pukekohe.
Still the highlight for me that day was watching the Fleetwood Mustang, at least for the first two hours before the rear brakes wore out.
Just to know what was involved in bringing a large engine US car into NZ at that time makes it amazing this car even got to race, as much of the car had to be as standard. The NZ Classic Car magazine from January 2005 has some interesting information. For instance ; " unbelievably dictatorial constrictions imposed by the government of the day. This farcical situation required the car to be re-exported out of the country again at time of sale as the bond could only be recovered at the wharf of another country. "
Also some of the modifications carried out by Dennis Simmons are amusing. "Dennis also lowered the front of the car in an attempt to make it handle, and then raised the wheel arches on inch to disguise this modification (as lowering was banned).
Interior-wise, the cabin looked totally stock, with original bucket seats, no roll bars, a standard factory dash with strip speedometer and factory steering wheel. Every second seat spring was removed, brackets were binned, and sound deadening removed to lighten the car, but keep the ‘stock’ upholstery which was called for the current rules ! "
It looked great that day and was my introduction to "American Muscle" cars that I will admire the rest of my days. "
( Ken Hyndman )

Roger Dowding

10-23-2015, 07:05 AM

Will rely on you " TRS gentlemen " to help identify the cars, some are obvious others not so, and some blurry,
Small saloons
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Mustangs
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Cortina(s) ..
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and a couple of favourites the Lycoming and the Stanton Corvette among others.
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The only notes on the photos is 14/11/67

Steve Holmes

10-23-2015, 07:07 AM

I'm loving this thread you guys. The pics, stories, everything, its fantastic!

Roger Dowding

10-23-2015, 07:21 AM

I'm loving this thread you guys. The pics, stories, everything, its fantastic!

Thanks Steve, mainly my photos, with lots of info being added by the TRS guys,
there are still quite a lot more to come

stubuchanan

10-23-2015, 09:23 AM

Thanks Steve, mainly my photos, with lots of info being added by the TRS guys,
there are still quite a lot more to come

This would be the NSCC meeting on 4 November 1967. As far as ID's go, I'm lost on the Cortinas and Minis etc, but the sports cars are Brent Hawes(Begg Chevrolet), Boyd of course, Geoff Mardon(Stanton) and Johnny Riley(Lotus Chev) is back there somewhere. The Mustangs are probably Coppins, definitely Fahey and Dawson then "Frank Bryan"(= Norm Barry). Bryan's car was just plain white, no stripes, and I don't see him getting a flyer ahead of Fahey/Coppins.

I can't find any photos of this meeting, but I was obviously there, maybe there is an 8mm film waiting to be rediscovered.

Stu

Roger Dowding

10-23-2015, 10:01 AM

This would be the NSCC meeting on 4 November 1967. As far as ID's go, I'm lost on the Cortinas and Minis etc, but the sports cars are Brent Hawes(Begg Chevrolet), Boyd of course, Geoff Mardon(Stanton) and Johnny Riley(Lotus Chev) is back there somewhere. The Mustangs are probably Coppins, definitely Fahey and Dawson then "Frank Bryan"(= Norm Barry). Bryan's car was just plain white, no stripes, and I don't see him getting a flyer ahead of Fahey/Coppins.

I can't find any photos of this meeting, but I was obviously there, maybe there is an 8mm film waiting to be rediscovered.

Stu

Stu,
I thought an NSCC meeting too, and think that where the photos were taken from, I was a Flaggie that day, the point just before the lefthander on the full course, the curve to Railway on the main course. I did Flag a few times once there, once near or just after the hairpin, maybe both.

Milan Fistonic

10-23-2015, 07:39 PM

This is the entry list for the Nov 4 1967 Pukekohe meeting.

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Stu, Riley's Lotus was powered by an Oldsmobile V8

Roger Dowding

10-23-2015, 11:12 PM

Milan,
- thanks for the entry list, some interesting cars and well known names Alan Wolfe [ Woolf ] Triumph Vitesse, N. Miles in the Heron Daimler - pictured in an earlier post.
E Latta in a Triumph 2000, presume the same car as posted in #69, with the Humpy Vanguard.
John Ward in the Lotus Cortina and Rod Coppins in the Mustang from the Ward Coppins stable.

Have saved the entry list to my files - will now be able to better classify my old photos.

Something not on the entry list but did some laps - demonstration ..

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Milan Fistonic

10-24-2015, 12:59 AM

There was a Vintage Car Parade.

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khyndart in CA

10-24-2015, 05:48 AM

Milan,
I always appreciate all the research and programme details you provide. I do not have very good eyesight and I had trouble with the last list so I hope you do not mind that I tried to make it a bit clearer for my eyes.

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Milan Fistonic's edited programme list.

(Ken Hyndman )

Roger Dowding

10-24-2015, 07:32 AM

There was a Vintage Car Parade.

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Milan,
Thanks I had forgotten, as we do being 47 years ago, I have just dug out two series of Vintage Car photos, 1 set of 24 from the 1968 display at Western Springs [ B and W ], and the other set of 36 from the 1972 International Vintage Rally [ in colour ], I was in Napier when the cars were there. could be worth a separate thread.

rogered

10-24-2015, 08:28 AM

Milan,
Thanks I had forgotten, as we do being 47 years ago, I have just dug out two series of Vintage Car photos, 1 set of 24 from the 1968 display at Western Springs [ B and W ], and the other set of 36 from the 1972 International Vintage Rally [ in colour ], I was in Napier when the cars were there. could be worth a separate thread.

The alfa 2.3 is the winning car from lemans 1932

Rod Grimwood

10-24-2015, 11:50 PM

Alan Woolf has found the Vitesse and is rebuilding it, had great catch up with him and family couple weeks back at Northland Car Club 60 reunion.

Grant Sprague

10-25-2015, 06:20 AM

Rod I remember Alan racing this when I was a nipper at Levels & Wigram .. it seemed fast way back then , a few pre 65 boys played about with one or two & it came to nothing .... all the experts were trying things but couldn't get it to go around corners , etc

Milan Fistonic

10-25-2015, 08:18 AM

Allan rallied the Vitesse and he was fast in the forests as well.

Roger Dowding

10-25-2015, 10:38 PM

Allan rallied the Vitesse and he was fast in the forests as well.

Remember Allan ran the Vitesse in some races with a streamlined fibreglass front, instead of the steel lift up front. think he also put a 2.5 litre PI motor in it at one stage.
He built for me a modified exhaust system new front pipe and collector and new split tail pipes set up for my TR4A, after the accident.
Rallied a 3.0 litre Capri in the International Rally one year, mid - late 1970's

Roger Dowding

10-26-2015, 07:29 AM

Allcomers race the start
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Zephyr Corvette
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A40 Farina
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Breadvan Anglias
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Mini and Fiat - the small class.
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Massive crowd on the elbow corner and how close could we get to the track. Flag Marshalls on a small dirt mound, and we loved it !!

khyndart in CA

10-26-2015, 10:25 PM

Roger Dowding

10-26-2015, 11:56 PM

I found this photo I took at Pukekohe, but I did not put a date on it. Perhaps 1970 /71.
Could the cars and anyone in the photo be named please.
It does look like my brother's friend is trying to break into the # 46 Mini Cooper !
(Is that Alan Boyles Mini with the Coca Cola headlights ?)

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( Ken Hyndman photo )

Ken, must be 1970, as Alan Boyle had the number 46 on his Viva at the 1971 Grand Prix meeting - his Mini with the fancy paintwork as mentioned by others on TRS he was involved in marketing / signwriting at Coca Cola

Steve Holmes

10-28-2015, 07:59 AM

Roger Dowding

10-28-2015, 08:32 AM

Thanks to Bob Homewood for supplying this image, which includes the '32 roadster in the background.

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Steve, thanks for that I sent a message to Bob on TRS Facebook page to show the photo, a great mixture of Midget, Sports cars and Specials. does Bob know where it was taken ??, a big crowd ..

RogerH

10-28-2015, 09:54 AM

Steve, thanks for that I sent a message to Bob on TRS Facebook page to show the photo, a great mixture of Midget, Sports cars and Specials. does Bob know where it was taken ??, a big crowd ..

I think the photo is the 1948 Mt Eden hill climb. The winning car was #66 (the second car back on the left). This was Des Herrick's midget powered by a Hudson Terraplane engine. The car had an interesting life and was converted to a circuit car in 1950, pranged in 1956 and rebuilt by Bruce McLaren (with Phil Kerr and Colin Beanland), was Chris Amon's first race car in 1959 and morphed over the years by a number of owners. It now appears as in Ray's Collection of Photos thread at post #676.

Roger Dowding

10-29-2015, 09:02 PM

Going to be away for a week so these boys will keep an eye on TRS for me.

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Think this was actually a Grand Prix meeting, looking at the crowd, probably 1967. as there is a photo from the same spot with the Breadvan Anglia's.

bob homewood

10-30-2015, 08:15 PM

That photo was in Lester's old scrapbook as the Kidston Hillclimb Cup and according to what else I have been able to decipher was that although he had labelled it 1949 it was actually on December 11th 1948,and apparently it used a flying start, i.e no hockey stick was used .Sometime I must have a look but I think the start might have been at the end of Edwin Street ?

khyndart in CA

10-30-2015, 08:19 PM

I took this photo at Pukekohe and I need help in finding out when it was taken. I think it was 1972.
Also name the cars / drivers as best possible.
Thank you.

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( Ken Hyndman )

John McKechnie

10-30-2015, 08:29 PM

Marwood, Riley,Richards, Silcock, Coppins (Winfield colours) ?

khyndart in CA

10-30-2015, 08:50 PM

Thanks John,
Would that have been at this meet ?

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(Ken Hyndman )

John McKechnie

10-30-2015, 08:53 PM

Ken- usually never missed a meeting 70-75

Roger Dowding

11-09-2015, 07:06 AM

Thanks John,
Would that have been at this meet ?

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(Ken Hyndman )

Another programme I gave away ...

PS, back now, so more pics to follow in the next few days, mainly 1967 - 68, I think.

John McKechnie

11-09-2015, 07:24 AM

Always look forward to your pics, Roger, much appreciated.

Roger Dowding

11-12-2015, 07:03 AM

I took this photo at Pukekohe and I need help in finding out when it was taken. I think it was 1972.
Also name the cars / drivers as best possible.
Thank you.

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( Ken Hyndman )

Ken, great photo, and shows the Elbow and the curve for the shorter and now current circuit, when first built the track didn't have the curve to railway, you did the Elbow around the loop and down the short straight to Railway corner and the back straight.
someone asked about the Elbow recently, maybe on another thread ??

Photos to come next week as have finished with the " Dunedin Historics 1984 ".

Allan

11-12-2015, 06:02 PM

Roger Dowding

11-12-2015, 09:40 PM

The Elbow or Stables bend as it was sometimes called was an interesting and for some folks a challenging corner. Down the front straight full noise and turning right under brakes and trying to set up for a sharp left hander. Loved that corner.

Allan, didn't do me any favours one day, as racing [ a sprint event 2 x 2 x 2 etc, set off at intervals - on the track ] an MGB in my TR4A, I selected first coming out of Elbow, hit the throttle, caught some loose metal and did a 360 while the MG raced away, never caught him.

Oldfart

11-13-2015, 04:23 AM

Can anybody be definite about when the loop part of the track was used at a major meeting?
Ta

John McKechnie

11-13-2015, 05:00 AM

I remember in the Porsche LeMans 1991 or 92 we used it-I was in a Mini Cooper.
2 years later we used the loop in reverse for a Rally Sprint-finished going through the gate to the stands.

Roger Dowding

11-14-2015, 06:27 AM

continuing the 1966 NZ Grand Prix meeting photos.
Maserati 3500 GT
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the huge crowd and a single seater ?, there is still grass where to course now curves right where the elbow - stables used to be taking the track left and around the loop to Railway corner
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Honda S600 and a Mistral or Buckler !!
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Mustang - the Fleetwood Motors Segedin car
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The small car class, Minis mainly through the Elbow [ similar place from where Ken Hyndman took his photo of the big guys, Mustangs etc.
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Roger Dowding

11-14-2015, 11:50 PM

I took this photo at Pukekohe and I need help in finding out when it was taken. I think it was 1972.
Also name the cars / drivers as best possible.
Thank you.

31294

( Ken Hyndman )

Just noticed that the Elbow has the tarseal for the run to Railway in place, so sometime after 1967 the must have built that section.

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GD66

11-15-2015, 12:56 AM

The long circuit was used for the NZGP in 1966, but the short one was used for the next year's GP on Jan 7th, 1967.

Milan Fistonic

11-15-2015, 05:17 AM

The long circuit was used for the NZGP in 1966, but the short one was used for the next year's GP on Jan 7th, 1967.

The first race meeting on the short 1.75 mile circuit was held on November 5 1966.

The Club Circuit, formed when the new piece of track was laid, was first used on Labour Day weekend of 1966.

Roger Dowding

11-15-2015, 06:27 AM

The first race meeting on the short 1.75 mile circuit was held on November 5 1966.

The Club Circuit, formed when the new piece of track was laid, was first used on Labour Day weekend of 1966.

Milan , I am now confused as thought the photos in the latter part of this thread were from Grand Prix 1967, but it appears they are GP 1966.
Thanks as always for your information.
Have two shots taken from by the Stables from the same film of the Grand Prix cars using the " long " circuit.

Roger Dowding

11-15-2015, 06:50 AM

Here are the photos from the Stables [ Elbow corner ] as can be seen was quite close to the track standing where the short circuit now goes, but before the piece was built, so must have been January 1966.

the photos first as taken and then close up

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Can someone identify the white [ with stripes ] single seater.

Allan

11-15-2015, 09:03 AM

Red Dawson

GD66

11-15-2015, 10:32 PM

I think it may be Leo Geoghegan in the Lotus 32.

Roger Dowding

11-15-2015, 11:35 PM

I think it may be Leo Geoghegan in the Lotus 32.

Looking back through the " Motorsport 1966 " yearbook Looks like the Ex-Matich Brabham 2.5 of Red Dawson as has the double side stripe.
Leo Geoghegan's Lotus 32 Ford 1.5 has a single side stripe.
Leo placed 5th and Red 7th, Red won at Waimate and ran the Brabham again in 1967

see post #154 below, I got it wrong

GD66

11-16-2015, 12:39 AM

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This pic of Leo is on the Sergent site's report of the 1966 NZGP.

GD66

11-16-2015, 12:42 AM

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Agree about Red's stripes though :cool:

khyndart in CA

11-16-2015, 01:31 AM

My vote goes with Leo Geoghegan as the intakes are on the right side and it looks like a number 7

(Ken Hyndman ) Good memories Roger

Roger Dowding

11-16-2015, 06:31 AM

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This pic of Leo is on the Sergent site's report of the 1966 NZGP.

GD66 I go with you now, thanks to you and Ken H, I had confused my 1966 GP photos with the 1967 GP and titled photos the wrong year.
Have edited some of the posts to correct this - and there is a photo in the Motorsport '66 book by Allan Dick of the '66 GP with Les Rankin using the Maserati as the Clerk of Course car, sort of seals it.

Note to self, you have all these books and magazines, research before you post !!
cheers

Roger

Roger Dowding

11-16-2015, 06:52 AM

My vote goes with Leo Geoghegan as the intakes are on the right side and it looks like a number 7

(Ken Hyndman ) Good memories Roger

Ken thanks, and even better when I get the dates right

Roger Dowding

11-16-2015, 06:53 AM

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Agree about Red's stripes though :cool:

GD66, great photo, both of Red's cars ..

Ross Hollings

11-16-2015, 08:17 PM

Hey Roger,no ones perfect,pictures are fantastic and enjoying them,used to work on the grids during that time and saw most of these cars and drivers close up.Good memories,keep them coming. RH

GD66

11-16-2015, 09:49 PM

Roger Dowding

11-16-2015, 11:57 PM

Second that, evocative snaps of a wonderful time in NZ's motorsport history. I'm no rivet-counter by any means Roger, but it got my eye as I have always been a Geoghegan fan. Would love to have gone to the GPs in those years but didn't make it to Puke until 1970, so your pics are a treat, buddy.

GD66, a few more to come of single seaters at the '66 GP , then other photos from 1966-68 or so which I am unsure of the dates, but all at Pukekohe, Anglias, the Humber Jag, a Pontiac and others - a slow process as Ray [ ERC ] Green notes. takes me about an hour to scan resize and post 6 photos - very slow !!.

Shoreboy57

11-17-2015, 12:14 AM

takes me about an hour to scan resize and post 6 photos - very slow !!.

Roger, we appreciate the time you, Ray and others take to bring these evocative memories to TRS. Many thanks

Allan

11-17-2015, 07:25 AM

I stand corrected.

Roger Dowding

11-17-2015, 08:13 AM

A couple more photos ;

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Must have done a lot of walking that day as photos from many parts of the circuit
apologies for the poor quality.

Roger Dowding

11-17-2015, 08:13 AM

I stand corrected.

Allan, me too !!, and I took the photos.. cheers

Oldfart

11-17-2015, 04:55 PM

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This pic of Leo is on the Sergent site's report of the 1966 NZGP.

This one has me surprised, I think one of the practice days as I have a photo in my collection with Steve of me in a raincoat on those days, but I can't remember rain on race day. It is a long time back though.

Milan Fistonic

11-17-2015, 07:18 PM

This one has me surprised, I think one of the practice days as I have a photo in my collection with Steve of me in a raincoat on those days, but I can't remember rain on race day. It is a long time back though.

According to the Motorman report "the weather on Thursday's practice was intolerant. For the morning session the rain reluctantly held off but genuine English conditions prevailed later in the day." Thursday was the only practice day that year.

The during the GP "The rain began to fall and on lap six the two BRMs were 11 seconds in front of Palmer.."

"Geoghegan was experiencing trouble with his googles and he pitted for a visor without losing his position."

"With 30 laps gone the track was beginning to dry.."

Like you I didn't recall it being wet that day.

khyndart in CA

11-17-2015, 08:32 PM

Roger Dowding

11-17-2015, 09:13 PM

1964 NZ GP.
My view of the Elbow showing Bruce McLaren catching up on Jim Palmer with Jack Brabham approaching on the right.
The next lap was when Brabham crashed at this corner and Bruce went on to win.

(Ken Hyndman photo ) .. Roger, I hope you don't mind me putting this on your thread. I am enjoying all that you have put into this.
Cheers, KH.

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Ken, keep them coming as all Pukekohe related, and Milan, thanks for the details.
Oldfart and Milan the weather
I also don't remember the rain !! but looking at the photos some dark clouds around.

Do remember sitting at the back of the stand for a Wills 6 hour, when it ran into the evening, it was dark and raining, the Jaguars were doing a down change right in front with flames from the exhaust.. exciting stuff for a young lad

khyndart in CA

11-17-2015, 09:52 PM

Roger,
It was not an overcast day in 1964 it is just an old faded photo !

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It was much hotter in January 1963 when the first NZ GP at Pukekohe took place.

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( A Bruce Sergent photo )

( KH )

Oldfart

11-17-2015, 09:59 PM

Maybe we were just so excited to be there the weather didn't affect us too much :)
It amazes me to see so many of these photos that must have been taken almost right next to where I took them!

khyndart in CA

11-17-2015, 10:25 PM

Oldfart,
Here is an expanded view of the Elbow crowd in Jan. 1964. Perhaps we were close to each other then. Certainly closer than we are today !

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( Ken Hyndman )

Roger Dowding

11-18-2015, 01:00 AM

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complete with barbed wire No 8 no doubt
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the last of the single seaters
these two to finish.
an Anglia hiding behind the wooden fence
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A Ferrari 250 LM at the top of the hill.
and yes it was a wet day check out the Mackintosh and hat of the guy on the right.
a lot of water in that ditch too, many a car went in there over the years, including a new at the time Ferrari Dino
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Roger Dowding

11-18-2015, 01:24 AM

Meeting unknown but three shots probably from the same film, a Club Invitation / National meeting not the Grand Prix looking at the mix of cars in the second shot.

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Is that the Stanton Corvette in one of its several bodystyles at the back ??.

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the action / engine end - love those Webers
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Ray Bell

11-18-2015, 03:33 AM

Isn't that a Peugeot 403 adorned with those Webers?

GD66

11-18-2015, 06:18 AM

Think it may be Barney Pellow's ex-Tim Bailey Brabham Fiat.

I vote Yes for the Stanton Corvette, however in those days it may have been Geoff Mardon at the helm, with the yellow wheels. This later pic of it in Champion Curve has Jim Boyd aboard.
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Oldfart

11-18-2015, 07:03 AM

stubuchanan

11-18-2015, 09:41 AM

I don't recollect the Stanton being at too many events till Boydie got it, and that needs checking for timing. Yes I think Barney's Brabham too. Ray I don't recall any Pug powered single seaters over here. U2 in the first one of this batch?

Car #61 tallies with it being Barney Pellow's Brabham, possibly the Rothmans Gold Star meeting 21 September 1969, or maybe even the 1970 Grand Prix, where he finished about 11th, and was only marginally slower the the infamous Kaye Griffiths' BRP in practice.

Stu

Ray Bell

11-18-2015, 09:57 AM

Yes, I can see the outlines of a Fiat 1500 engine there now...

And that does look a bit U2-ish.

Kwaussie

11-18-2015, 11:43 AM

Oldfart

11-18-2015, 05:19 PM

There is a rear engine dragster with a S/C Peugeot built in the seventies that runs very low 9's - I saw it at Thunder Park and could not believe it was so quick.
From memory the owner/driver was Trevor Watson
Yes, and still going well, I believe it to be a world record holder in it's class. I was referring to circuit single seaters, not too uncommon in Oz with Pug, but don't know of any that were here. Later Formula Atlantic driver Alan Crocker competed early on with an MGTD with a Peugeot and his dad Bob built a rear engine sports car with one (crashed at a Hillclimb near Karapiro)

In regard Stanton, memory says that Geoff Mardon did not attend anything other than major events in the north with it, and the pic is quite clearly including a single seater, so perhaps more like a low level meeting?

bob homewood

11-20-2015, 04:09 AM

I don't recollect the Stanton being at too many events till Boydie got it, and that needs checking for timing. Yes I think Barney's Brabham too. Ray I don't recall any Pug powered single seaters over here. U2 in the first one of this batch?

Barney Pellow's Fiat engined Brabham for sure ,I saw the engine of it often enough ,it was wet sumped and ate bearings like there was no tomorrow ,a few late nights along the way there to keep it going

Roger Dowding

11-20-2015, 04:30 AM

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a couple of offs ..
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a closer view of the Pontiac
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Roger Dowding

11-20-2015, 07:03 AM

All Fords here ;
Anglia
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Mustang and Anglia
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another Anglia
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Cortina
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Anglia
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close up of the last Anglia - Jack Nazers I think.
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Not many left unless there are some hidden away like the last 50 or so..

Roger Dowding

11-20-2015, 07:46 AM

A couple of photos of the Pontiac - seen previously but now together.

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Certainly used a lot of Track on and off the hairpin.

Roger Dowding

11-22-2015, 01:48 AM

Minis and the Dunlop bridge
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another Mini - more spectators cars - a different meeting
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Ford brigade - GM to follow
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Vauxhall and Chevrolet from the front 'n
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from behind
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Roger Dowding

11-22-2015, 01:56 AM

Rodger Anderson usually had number 96, so may be him
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the small capacity class go past
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Spectate from your car - went a couple of times in a mates 1950 Morrie Minor a sidevalve one - not this as his was a four door the Morrie was replaced in 1967 by a brand new Fiat Bambina at the time I brought a 7 year old Mini.
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Well that is it for now - quality of the last ones not good but hope they are of interest.
cheers

Roger

John McKechnie

11-22-2015, 03:15 AM

#185- If this 96 is the Rodger Anderson car,did this became the Lexington car then the Barry Phillips car?

GD66

11-22-2015, 06:34 AM

You can never be 100% sure (well, I can't !) but this is the Cambridge mini of Phillips, I always thought it was a later model.
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John McKechnie

11-22-2015, 07:42 AM

I remember Motorman article saying it had been upgraded with MK2 pieces and larger back window

GD66

11-22-2015, 08:22 AM

Could well be the case, JM. Looks like Rodger Anderson on the right saying, "Hey, that's my old nail"...

If so, that brick had a hell of a lot of racing miles and a lot of success.

khyndart in CA

11-22-2015, 03:49 PM

The Phillips Mini had some good pedigree.

"In 1969 Irishman Alec Poole driving a privately prepared Mini Cooper S won the British Touring Car Championship.

The "Equipe Arden" car was originally a genuine Austin Cooper 970S and was made into a racer by Jim Whitehouse of Arden Engineering whose business was in Tamworth-in-Arden, about 10 miles south of Birmingham.

At the end of the British season in November 1969, the car was immediately bought by NZ-based American Jim Carney for his wife Mary Donald Carney to drive in the New Zealand Championship. At the time, Mary Donald Carney was NZ’s top woman driver racing a Mini Cooper. Jim and Mary Carney took delivery of the car at Silverstone circuit where some small changes were made, i.e. twin-circuit braking for NZ regs, and a changed seating position for Mary.

. Jim Carney formed a Racing team of his wife Mary and Jim Richards (Twin-cam Lotus Escort).
Basically the car was a 1967 body shell with up-rated hydrolastic suspension. Dunlop 3.75/800 x 12 tyres were used on 12 x 6 inch Minilite wheels. The 970cc engine was overbored to 999cc to keep under the 1000cc class restriction. At 8,000rpm the engine developed 105bhp and extrapolating to peak at around 9,500rpm on about 115bhp. The car was a handful with the very peaky ultra short stroke engine (special short stroke Gordon Allen crankshaft with way oversize magnesium pistons in offset bores) and the diabolically difficult to handle Jack Knight 5 speed gearbox. Mary Carney won a national championship race but the engine was unreliable, mainly due to over-revving caused by the vagaries of the gear change. It was very easy to go from 4th to 1st instead of 3rd with the inevitable result to valves and pistons! The aluminium 8 port crossflow head was Whitehouse's creation hence the source of the name -: Arden head. Mark 1 Tecalamit-Jackson (TJ) fuel injection was fitted and this was very temperamental compared to the mark 2 version fitted to other Minis such as Rex Hart's 1275 Cooper. NZ’er Peter Levet rebuilt the engine and gearbox one last time for Jim Carney and tested it at Pukekohe. He lapped right on the lap record with puddles still on the circuit prompting Carney to offer him the car for the rest of the season and after Carney left, Levet went out on a dry circuit only to hook the previously mentioned 1st gear instead of 3rd going into Castrol with the tragic result of a piston getting spat out of one of the intake trumpets. That was once too many for Carney and he promptly sold the car as-is to another NZ driver Barry Phillips.

Barry had good success in the car but now with conventional-stroke engine and various lockouts on the gear change but never completely curing the erratic change. The other gear change problem was being able to go from 1st to 4th which explains why the car would get off the line but apparently bog down on the first up change. Barry raced the car in the Team Rothmans livery (See photo of car ) post # 187.

The Drinkrow brothers of Beachlands, NZ, acquired the car and that is where it is today. Lynn Rodgers has built a 999cc engine and Peter Levet has built a 4 speed box. Alan Drinkrow has 2 of the 5 speed boxes and has rebuilt them but Levet talked him out of using them (at least in the early stages). Levet went to Arden Engineering to search for parts for the restoration and spoke to Jim Whitehouse on the day 21/3/1981 when Mike Hailwood was so tragically killed just a few miles from Jim's workshop, in fact passing the site of the accident less than an hour before it happened. Levet recovered a lot of TJ injection gear in England and Alan has probably got that together by now. Levet hasn’t seen the car for sometime, but it is probably back in the 1969 colour by now. Levet also recovered 4 of the original Cooper 12" magnesium wheels (as opposed to the Minilites) to go with the re-drilled set that Alan recovered from Jim Maud. When Levet was speaking to John Cooper, he thought that they only cast 7 sets of them so 8 of the original 28 exist in Beachlands! "

Story researched and prepared by Greg Wenzlick 2007.
Contributions from Peter Levet 2007 and Michael Bowler of Motor Week magazine 1969.
Photos; Maurice Rowe, Motor Week magazine, Peter Levet.

(Ken Hyndman )

GPBK

11-22-2015, 08:20 PM

Hello Ken

That is an informative article but is somewhat misleading in that it talks about one car when actually it is about two.

The Arden British Championship winning engine was sold to Barry Phillips out of the UK. At the same time the Carneys bought the car with a new engine. Arden engine went into the ex Anderson Mini ( Almond Green then Lexington Team ) when in Cambridge colours and went on to be in the Winfield Team.

The photo shown in that article and above is pre Arden as it is still on 10" wheels and is not the Arden Carney car but the ex Anderson Car with MK2 updates. The Arden Carney car was bought by Barry Phillips but only raced by him after the 72 season when the Winfield team finished and his car was sold.

Confusion might come about as he raced that Arden car in a look alike Cambridge colour scheme the following year before it became the NZ Freighter team car in 1974 car alongside Rex Hart. Arden car always had MK1 Grille and tailights.

Hope all is well up there.

John McKechnie

11-22-2015, 09:51 PM

So which Mini did Wally Wymer buy ?
Also the erractic gearchange could explain why Jim Boyd went into low entering the corner at the end of the back straight at Baypark.
Will go back to my Motorman article and post what it says.

GPBK

11-22-2015, 10:02 PM

ex Anderson.

khyndart in CA

11-22-2015, 10:17 PM

GPBK, (Graeme, )
Thanks for setting the record straight. It was written in 2007 and I thought it made good reading. Must admit it is a bit confusing to us old timers !
Also appreciate you asking how we are up here as winter approaches. We have pretty good weather in this part of California and I have an excuse not to wash my cars. e.g. drought conditions. Plus this is the time when we have much to be thankful for. Thanksgiving Holiday on Thursday Nov 26th. (The day after my birthday.)

Cheers,
Ken H

Ross Hollings

11-23-2015, 12:05 AM

I bought a Wal Wymer Cooper s,is was dead in the water when i bought it and not much original items left,i sold it and it has now been restored and lives in Auckland ,it was the Mullins Mini, the best part was the ownership papers,it was like a who's who of motor racing !

John McKechnie

11-23-2015, 02:09 AM

Wal had 2 as he was racing one first, then bought the other.
His garage was broken into and valuable parts taken from the second one.
I was doing work for him in 82 and this is part of what he told me-was more, but wont go into it here.

AMCO72

11-23-2015, 03:59 AM

Yes John, all a bit mysterious about that 'break-in'. This is the car that Graeme Philips bought three years ago......Graeme is of course Barrys son, and he has been busy tracing and collecting parts for it. Is going to be a long and drawn out restoration, costing $$$$$$$$$.......must have sat in Wals shed for 30+ years. Angus and I went and checked it out........is the genuine article....whats left, so good on Graeme for taking it on.

Roger Dowding

12-02-2015, 01:13 AM

Thanks to Bob Homewood for supplying this image, which includes the '32 roadster in the background.

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This photo features in Graham Vercoe's book p 17 as Mt Eden Hillclimb 1949, Ron Roycroft in the " works " Austin 7 R type " Rubber Duck " , midgets of Bill Massey and Des Herrick and Laurie Powell's Ford V8 Vercoe shows photo source as unknown, Does Bob know who took it !!
an example of a New Zealand " run what you brung " event allcomers welcome.

Going back through the thread Roger H thought is was 1948 and that Des Herrick won.

Roger H's post " I think the photo is the 1948 Mt Eden hill climb. The winning car was #66 (the second car back on the left). This was Des Herrick's midget powered by a Hudson Terraplane engine. The car had an interesting life and was converted to a circuit car in 1950, pranged in 1956 and rebuilt by Bruce McLaren (with Phil Kerr and Colin Beanland), was Chris Amon's first race car in 1959 and morphed over the years by a number of owners. It now appears as in Ray's Collection of Photos thread at post #676.:"

bob homewood

12-02-2015, 10:41 PM

This photo features in Graham Vercoe's book p 17 as Mt Eden Hillclimb 1949, Ron Roycroft in the " works " Austin 7 R type " Rubber Duck " , midgets of Bill Massey and Des Herrick and Laurie Powell's Ford V8 Vercoe shows photo source as unknown, Does Bob know who took it !!
an example of a New Zealand " run what you brung " event allcomers welcome.

Going back through the thread Roger H thought is was 1948 and that Des Herrick won.

Roger H's post " I think the photo is the 1948 Mt Eden hill climb. The winning car was #66 (the second car back on the left). This was Des Herrick's midget powered by a Hudson Terraplane engine. The car had an interesting life and was converted to a circuit car in 1950, pranged in 1956 and rebuilt by Bruce McLaren (with Phil Kerr and Colin Beanland), was Chris Amon's first race car in 1959 and morphed over the years by a number of owners. It now appears as in Ray's Collection of Photos thread at post #676.:"

No I have no idea sorry Roger ,we always thought it was a NZ Weekly news photo or similar as Les had a huge collection of newspaper cluppings and photos from both here and Australia from that era and later ones ,if it made the papers you can bet he cut it out.I do know however there was a lot more stuff than I ended up with
,borrowed and never returned by someone !

Roger Dowding

12-22-2015, 10:21 PM

Keep clear of the Boys in Blue

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so don't drive like this

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cheers, stay safe ..

khyndart in CA

12-23-2015, 05:51 AM

Roger Dowding

12-23-2015, 06:45 AM

Roger,
Just wanted to wish you a wonderful Christmas and thank you for all your interesting inputs and humour etc.
I am truly at the end of the 1970s inputs and now entering family photos which is a bit much for you all.
Still trying to get you in the Moss magazine but they did something on me instead after I showed them your "drifting" photo.
So thanks mate !
All the very best for the new year.
Ken H

Ken, Hi

best wishes to you too !!, and i enjoy your posts photos clippings, and all done with a sense of fun..
I too am running out of racing stuff, but have a lot of Vintage car stuff in both 3 x 3 black and white and some colour. I have been posting some of my stuff on Facebook as Alan Boyle, Ron Brown, of Mini fame, Bob Homewood, Rod Peat John Coker Grant Sprague put lots of posts there, some great photos too !!.

Oldfart's request for steets in Dunedin sent me on another quest to find the Hill Climb Roads as they are today - feel another TRS post will happen soon,

Merry Christmas to you and your family and friends.

the Moss magazine, would be good - one day, thanks for trying

cheers

Roger

Spgeti

12-23-2015, 07:17 AM

Merry Christmas Roger. Thanks for all your posts. I have enjoyed them. Cheers, Bruce

Roger Dowding

12-23-2015, 07:40 AM

Merry Christmas Roger. Thanks for all your posts. I have enjoyed them. Cheers, Bruce

Bruce, you too Mate, and again thanks for the Waimate Book and the programmes, take care.

PS there will be more posts, found some photos from a Wings and Wheels at Whenuapai, around 1999 - 2000 and a whole lot from Ohakea in 1980/81/82 - unsure which year ..but was an anniversary, and Fordy Farland was in the limelight, both racing and at the dinner .. were you there ?? .. Practice at Manfield Saturday then racing at Ohakea on the Sunday

Roger Dowding

12-23-2015, 07:59 AM

Just in case you think i am confused yes do have heaps of Vintage car photos, my own, and the Ohakea and Whenuapai ones mine too!!.
Just need some time to sort them as seem to have mixed up quite a lot, - could be a job for a rainy day, haven't had one here for over a month though !!.

To all of you as bry3500, chaindrive Ken H and Spgeti and others have said - merry xmas and a happy [ and safe ] new Year .. 2016 a leap year ..
cheers

Roger

Spgeti

12-23-2015, 08:25 AM

Bruce, you too Mate, and again thanks for the Waimate Book and the programmes, take care.

PS there will be more posts, found some photos from a Wings and Wheels at Whenuapai, around 1999 - 2000 and a whole lot from Ohakea in 1980/81/82 - unsure which year ..but was an anniversary, and Fordy Farland was in the limelight, both racing and at the dinner .. were you there ?? .. Practice at Manfield Saturday then racing at Ohakea on the Sunday

Yes I was. I took along the ex Tulloch Z28 Camaro. Lots of Alfa members from here raced there.

Roger Dowding

12-23-2015, 10:16 AM

Yes I was. I took along the ex Tulloch Z28 Camaro. Lots of Alfa members from here raced there.

Must check the photos, the racing ones were not good but the ones around the pits, parking show a lot of cars, my camera did a ?? that day, or was it the operator ??, probably ..

khyndart in CA

01-11-2016, 06:39 PM

rf84

01-11-2016, 07:31 PM

John McKechnie

01-11-2016, 09:24 PM

Ken- great clip of Beechey in Nova when it was blue, Scott Wiseman -E type, Spencerin Lexington, Nei; Doyle- Fastback Anglia , at BayPark.
Grables F5000 was definitely short.

Roger Dowding

01-11-2016, 09:43 PM

I found this video of the good old days at Pukekohe and Bay Park about 1968-69.
Check the early Formula A cars at Bay Park.
I had a question; what is the green sports car at about the 40 second mark and who is driving the white Imp ?
Roger, I hope that is not you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_h9DNzudrE

(Ken Hyndman )

Ken, never had an Imp, was a Mini boy at the time 67-68 and then 71-74 .. would have been at Pukekohe then, maybe not at Baypark .. great footage ..

Roger Dowding

01-11-2016, 11:18 PM

Green sports car is the Heron (sometimes referred to as the Heron Daimler). One of a number of Heron sports cars built by Ross Baker in Rotorua. Fitted with a 2.5 litre Daimler V8. Probably driven here by Ken Richardson. Two were sports/racers (this car and another which was similar to a Lotus 23). Ross also built a number of road cars.
You will find some info on them on the 'Net.

Ken
- the Heron - Daimler,
This pic is shown early in the thread, easier to repost . stack pipes as were the thing in the day - 1966.
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not good quality from the basic camera, could be the photographer, term used loosely ..

GD66

01-11-2016, 11:23 PM

Ken- great clip of Beechey in Nova when it was blue, Scott Wiseman -E type, Spencerin Lexington, Nei; Doyle- Fastback Anglia , at BayPark. Grables F5000 was definitely short.

Correct !
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khyndart in CA

01-11-2016, 11:44 PM

December 1968. Bay Park,
Here are some repeat photos from that event. Really was an enjoyable time. Note the working conditions for Spinner's Camaro and the
Grable "Spectre".

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AN enjoyable "Aussie" invasion of Norm Beechey and Leo Geoghegan.

(Ken Hyndman photos ..sorry the quality is not great but be grateful I was carrying a camera and not hanging onto a beer or a girlfriend at the time !)

SPman

01-12-2016, 02:32 AM

I had a question; what is the green sports car at about the 40 second mark and who is driving the white Imp ?
Roger, I hope that is not you ! (Ken Hyndman )
No - that's Mike Edgell - Randall's older brother and Richard Osborne, I think, on the way to Baypark. Filmed from the accompanying Ford Model A! I must try and get the film cleaned up...shot on standard 8 (with the drama of taking the film out and turning it over halfway through the roll), with a 1961 Yashica clockwork movie camera with 2 lenses (which I still have somewhere) and a very limited budget for film. I had it quickly converted when it looked like it was deteriorating badly in the West Australian heat.

Roger Dowding

03-02-2016, 03:34 AM

These two photos are well known [ not mine ] but have appeared in Classic Driver in 2010 the first one and now both recently on Facebook on the page " NZ car related street scenes 1950's to 1980's " Allan Dick believes they were taken by and Auckland Star newspaper photographer.

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Both David McKinney [ dcd ] and Donn White wrote to Classic Driver in the Issue #33 August September 2010 after the first photo appeared in " Dusty's " section of the magazine in an earlier issue.

These are the letters from the magazine
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Hopefully it is readable..

also another letter re the Gee Cee Ess .. and a small picture of the Edelbrock Special and a Healey 100S.. which of course got my " Interest ". Allan Dick acknowledges that I have copied form " His " magazine .. with the comment pleased to see I had back issues .. left some behind in NZ unfortunately, and now only get them when I visit " home " .

Terry S

03-03-2016, 05:30 AM

Roger Dowding

03-03-2016, 11:54 PM

Roger, I am somewhat confused:

The title of this thread is "my early years 1964-71", and in post#10 you note you went with your father in 1964.

However in my recent thread on First Tasman Series, you note in post#10 "1964 was before I ever got to a motor race, that was 1965"

You can surely appreciate why I am confused?

Terry, in 1964, we sat outside the track as were driving past,[ think Dad didn't want to pay !! ] the first time I actually went in was 1965.. and this is all done from memory so the will be errors .. I used to have all the programmes of events that I went to - but gave them away in 2008, a bad decision - they help with getting dates correct ..
cheers

Roger

Roger Dowding

08-07-2016, 03:02 AM

Roger Dowding

08-07-2016, 03:14 AM

A couple of pictures from Robin Tanner which Bruce Thompson posted on Facebook, may have been on TRS on another thread. Bruce said that they may have been taken by Robins family ;
All of my photos have been posted ;

Kevin Green Chev and Robin Tanner Ford, coupes

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Cars in the Saloon handicap race, heading toward the start finish from the elbow..an interesting mix of cars and big crowd in the old stand, right on the track.

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Reposting one of my own photos, some of the same cars, but have marked this May 1966, but think the reverse direction meeting was April 1966, or am I confused, as I confused Terry S.. **

Correction November 2018- Milan Fistonic says the Race Numbers in my photo
" Saloons heading for the grid " is the May 1966 meeting, not the Reverse Direction one of April 1966

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The cars would have had to go along the pit road to near the stands then turn around to be on the track facing the Hill " Rothmans ".

Roger Dowding

08-08-2016, 02:00 AM

Some of the field heading for the Grid at Pukekohe 1964, This is not the ACC meeting held on 4th April 1964 but has a lot of the same cars.

These are from the ACC meeting, which John Hatton [ John H ] kindly sent me

Small Sports Cars and 1301-2000 cc Saloons.
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over 2001 cc Saloons with John Hatton is his Zephyr and the over 1500 sports cars.
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This is a mixed grid of both classes by the looks
and here are a lot of those cars, including the De Soto, and those Ford and other Coupes, largely Corvette / Chevrolet powered - from early to late 1930's Souness Dawson Riley and Co..
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Picture courtesy Bruce Thompson - may be a Robin Tanner family photo.
as I wasn't there.. before my time..

Oldfart

08-08-2016, 02:57 AM

I have vivid memories of the Lumsden de Soto coming around the loop with clouds of tyre smoke.

Milan Fistonic

08-08-2016, 03:44 AM

The reverse direction meeting was on April 23 1966 and was an Auckland Car Club event. The reasons given for the decision to change the direction were: To alleviate the usual congestion at the Elbow, eliminate possible spectator hazards and show to better advantage the spectacular acceleration of the cars as they pass the main stand and pits.

Milan Fistonic

08-08-2016, 04:12 AM

This is a mixed grid of both classes by the looks
and here are a lot of those cars, including the De Soto, and those Ford and other Coupes, largely Corvette / Chevrolet powered - from early to late 1930's Souness Dawson Riley and Co..
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Picture courtesy Bruce Thompson - may be a Robin Tanner family photo.
as I wasn't there.. before my time..

Looks like this race at the November 7 1964 NSSC Coppertone meeting. By this time Dawson & Riley were racing their single-seaters.

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John McKechnie

08-08-2016, 04:45 AM

the 5 window Coupes give this grid a real historic look......what ever happened to them ?

Roger Dowding

08-08-2016, 05:14 AM

Looks like this race at the November 7 1964 NSSC Coppertone meeting. By this time Dawson & Riley were racing their single-seaters.

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Milan, great for the entry list thanks .. from what I have read the Jennings Fiat was an interesting car, an old Topolino body with a big engine?? does that seem right ?? and the Humber Ford, before the Jag motor went in .. brilliant !!

Roger Dowding

08-08-2016, 05:15 AM

Roger Dowding

08-08-2016, 05:47 AM

Bruce302

08-08-2016, 06:33 AM

the 5 window Coupes give this grid a real historic look......what ever happened to them ?

Stinkin' Hot Rodder John, That's what happened to them. probably all shiny and polished with blown engines so they can idle down the road to a park up somewhere.

Roger Dowding

08-08-2016, 06:34 AM

The pictures are my own taken with a basic Kodak Camera with no adjustments possible, just point and shoot;.

April 1966 meeting ; the Reverse Direction one ; never tried again as too dangerous and quite a few accidents including
Ron Browns Mini; as mentioned Ron was Assistant Clerk of the course that day ; he was the Team Mate of Allan Boyle who also ran a Cooper " S ".
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Dennis Marwood - Cooper
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Ivan Segedin - Mustang [ The Fleetwood Mustang - with the feature of the time stack exhaust pipes, many a good bonnet wrecked ].
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The Sports cars get ready - Bucklers, Daimler SP250 Honda S600 [ another photo later of this car ]
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The thread has expanded with lots of photos from others, Thank you all for your contributions, and a few I have borrowed, with the appropriate credit.
As it turned out my earliest photos were 1965, once I had sorted through them - need a negative viewer so can create better quality copies.
There have been recently quite a few contribution back to 1964 so the title is still relevant !!

Milan Fistonic

08-08-2016, 07:28 AM

Another grid at Pukekohe, with we think Colin Lumsden in the De Soto, now with flares on the rear, wires on the front and exhausts and a scoop out of the bonnet. another photo from Bruce Thompson.. may not be his own !!

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Lumsden was number 112 at the December 12 1964 meeting. The only Anglia with a number that looks like that on the car behind the De Soto is number 120, T Rutherford from New Plymouth.

John McKechnie

08-08-2016, 07:38 PM

Milan, great for the entry list thanks .. from what I have read the Jennings Fiat was an interesting car, an old Topolino body with a big engine?? does that seem right ?? and the Humber Ford, before the Jag motor went in .. brilliant !!

Mark Jennings car did have a big engine, at one time the car number was 368- size of the engine.

Steve Holmes

08-08-2016, 07:47 PM

Another grid at Pukekohe, with we think Colin Lumsden in the De Soto, now with flares on the rear, wires on the front and exhausts and a scoop out of the bonnet. another photo from Bruce Thompson.. may not be his own !!

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Wow, that is nuts! Thats the best shot I have seen of this car. The wheels scare me.

John McKechnie

08-08-2016, 09:22 PM

Steve- and dont forget he had "twin mitts" on sometimes- two tyres on each side for width- no Wild Wheels then for wheel widening.

Spgeti

08-08-2016, 09:42 PM

Yes I have seen a photo of that John. The wire wheel on that you would have thought would be a worry considering the weight of the car and the likely hood of breaking.

Roger Dowding

08-08-2016, 10:52 PM

A lot of interest in this car, there is a big thread on Facebook of it with pictures from various people.
Will group them here, thanks to Bruce Thompson, Bob Homewood, Alan Boyle, Marc Montague, and others ;[ names appear on the photos, thanks to those who provided them.

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Car is listed in a programme as being 5000 cc but thought to be a 291 c.i Chrysler / De Soto motor.
ran dual rear wheels and sometimes wire wheels, had exhausts out of the bonnet and big flared arches on the rear.
Car looking very smart and not bodged around in the last pic from Alan Boyle.

Last picture is another Mopar car, anyone know of it ??

Oldfart

08-09-2016, 07:29 PM

Jennings Fiat runs still in the South Island.
Post 236 last photo comment about Mopar car?? Which one, all I can see is the coupe, a PA Vauxhall and Humber 80, and of course one hidden. Then again what variety is the coupe?

John McKechnie

08-09-2016, 07:43 PM

This could be the Plymouth Coupe of Graeme Parks that he first started racing in?
He got the fast parts from Barry Algies dad

Roger Dowding

08-10-2016, 06:01 AM

This could be the Plymouth Coupe of Graeme Parks that he first started racing in?
He got the fast parts from Barry Algies dad

John Mck, think you are right Bob Homewood knew of the car when the photo was put on Facebook

John McKechnie

08-10-2016, 06:15 AM

Just spoke to Graeme Park- yep, it is his car.
A Maroon 1938 Plymouth Coupe., and ran a 6
Most coupes were Ford or Chev with V8s
153 was a random number..not h.p.
Was 1963/64
Sold the car to Teo Stanton.
Pa Vauxhall behind him is Murray Reynolds.
Thinks Francevic was next to or just behind him.

Roger Dowding

09-01-2016, 06:02 AM

Picture from a book or magazine, posted on Facebook by Dave Howell,
a good selection of Kiwi engineering and well known drivers.. read the caption below;

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Would like to know the source of the picture ; Jack Inwood, or Euan Sargeson perhaps, the mention of 8 years means was written and published around 1972

John McKechnie

09-01-2016, 08:09 AM

SPman

09-04-2016, 03:15 AM

Picture from a book or magazine, posted on Facebook by Dave Howell,
a good selection of Kiwi engineering and well known drivers.. read the caption below;

[ATTACH=CONFIG] the mention of 8 years means was written and published around 1972
Looks like about 63/64

Trevor Benton

09-04-2016, 05:22 AM

Just love Garth Souness Coupe-155.... where is it now ,and the other Coupes, did any survive. ?
Coupes did it for me everytime.
(wonder why no one has got one of these bodies and put a NASCA engine in to run in CMC ? (LOL)

John McKechnie was wondering what happened to the Garth Souness 32 Ford coupe. Its in a shed near Auckland awaiting restoration. I have a picture in its current state but don`t know how to attach it. I could send it to someone by e-mail who does know how if anyone is interested.

Regards, Trevor Benton, Brisbane.

Roger Dowding

09-04-2016, 06:23 AM

John McKechnie was wondering what happened to the Garth Souness 32 Ford coupe. Its in a shed near Auckland awaiting restoration. I have a picture in its current state but don`t know how to attach it. I could send it to someone by e-mail who does know how if anyone is interested.

Regards, Trevor Benton, Brisbane.

Trevor, send to me " racerrog47@gmail.com ", and i will, as John and others would like to see it .. cheers .. and I am in QLD, just North of Brisbane .. Bellara, Bribie Island.. small world ..

Roger Dowding

09-04-2016, 09:52 AM

Picture from Trevor Benton..

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Trevor also wrote this " The Souness coupe when imported new had a 4 cylinder engine later converted to flathead power & when raced a 283 ci [genuine] Corvette was fitted. It was one of the very early possibly the earliest coupe to have ohv V8 power & raced on NZ circuits. As you can see by the attachment which was taken about 3 years ago its had a hard life & from Garth Souness it went through several hands in Auckland & was turned into a hot rod at one point. The present owner in Sth Auckland has most of the sheet metal much of it in poor condition especially the doors but no running gear & the intention is to restore it as it was when raced with a 283 ci Chev resembling a Corvette. A lot of these restorations are started & never finished but hopefully this will be an exception as it was very unique in its day. "

John Mck this is for you, Mate ..

John McKechnie

09-04-2016, 06:28 PM

Wow, another race car with history saved and patiently waiting its turn.
Trevor- thanks so much for giving us this pic and info on this car.

Roger Dowding

09-12-2016, 04:27 AM

It appears that Steve Twist and myself were at the meetings when the Segedin / Fleetwood Mustang ran although my shot of it on the trailer shows it without the grille and other chrome, maybe it was at the end of the days racing ??.

Steve Twist photos -
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My photo ;

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and of course the Boat front - David Mckinney picture

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Roger Dowding

09-12-2016, 04:32 AM

The pictures are my own taken with a basic Kodak Camera with no adjustments possible, just point and shoot;.

April 1966 meeting ; the Reverse Direction one ; never tried again as too dangerous and quite a few accidents including
Ron Browns Mini; as mentioned Ron was Assistant Clerk of the course that day ; he was the Team Mate of Allan Boyle who also ran a Cooper " S ".
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30896

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Dennis Marwood - Cooper
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Ivan Segedin - Mustang [ The Fleetwood Mustang - with the feature of the time stack exhaust pipes, many a good bonnet wrecked ].
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The Sports cars get ready - Bucklers, Daimler SP250 Honda S600 [ another photo later of this car ]
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Interesting article in the latest issue of " Australian Muscle Car " # 89 the back page called in Australia style " Whaddayaknow ", subtitle " Selecting Reverse " about the reverse track meeting held at Oran Park in June [ 8th ] 1986 and then there was an April First announcement in 2014 of a Bathurst meeting for 2015 to be tun in reverse.. Think we did it first at Pukekohe !! .