Old Programmes, movies and memories from the Fifties, Sixties and Seventies.

[GD66]

Yikes, that's hairy stuff, John. And clearly etched in your mind ! Thanks for sharing.

[Trevor Sheffield]

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GD66, article from the " 30 years of Grand Prix Racing, again ..
Have read a few comments [ this one is non-committal for either driver ]

Ken Wharton was killed during the 1957 sports car race at Ardmore, due to stupid officials not heading and accepting the advice of drivers. I attended the briefing.

It was ruled that slower cars of limited performance should move to the right and allow faster cars room to pass on the left.

Wharton a top of the line international driver, as a matter of habit set up a normal passing move after exiting a corner, only to have a slower car, correctly obeying the stupid rule, move over and obstruct him to the extent that he ran out of room. An absolute needles disaster.

Wharton was a real driver in every sense of the word and better than many who gained greater fame. I remember seeing his right shoe, which had been found in the Monza Ferrari by the subsequent owner and hung in his garage. It was a perfectly normal piece of everyday footwear and during modern times I find this specially significant.

Trevor.

[Roger Dowding]

Remember reading the paper when it happened, was too young to go to Ardmore, but believe my Father Mac and Eddie Dowding his brother were there. very sad.
Trevor here is something taken a bit later which you will remember, Pukekohe NSCC meeting 1964.

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source ; 30 years of Grand Prix Racing - NZIGP ; caption says ;
" Classic battle between the three Daimler SP250 Darts of Trevor Sheffield, Bob Wilkin and David Oxton in March 1964 "
- Northern Sports Car Club national meeting.

[khyndart in CA]

Pukekohe. NZGP. 1968. Start grid.

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Who is the driver / person standing behind Laurence Brownlee with the brown cap on ?


(Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

I have reached my last old programme so I hope you can put up with me for just a little bit longer.
The 16th NZGP was held at Pukekohe Jan 4 1969. It was the last time the F1 teams would come out to compete in the Tasman Series.
Graham Hill was the reigning F1 World Champion in January 1969 but it would not be a good year for Graham. He did not win any Tasman races and he crashed heavily in Spain which ended the high rear wing era in race cars and then crashed badly later at Watkins Glen breaking both legs but bravely came back for the 1970 season.

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[Jac Mac]

I think the guy in brown cap, blue short sleeve shirt might be John Reid. Laurence is seated in the car ( white overalls-face mask ). Sorry cannot help with the two crouched either side or the chap with light blue race overalls standing alongside. Might be Allan McCully crouched on RH of car, but that's a guess. Donald McDonald might be more help if he still frequents this forum...
Pukekohe. NZGP. 1968. Start grid.

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Who is the driver / person standing behind Laurence Brownlee with the brown cap on ?


(Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

Jan. 4. 1969.NZGP. Pukekohe.
Graham Hill drove a Lotus 49 B R 8. It was brand new for Pukekohe and featured the high rear wing which was banned after the 1969
Spanish Grand Prix at Montjuich Park in Barcelona. I drove that circuit a few years ago in a Ford Fiesta rental car and it was scary even in that, with the stone walls, curbs, change in elevation and hairpins etc. They were certainly brave drivers to race there and the stress on the rear wings was too much for these Lotus 49 Bs and Hill and Rindt were lucky to survive those crashes which are shown on Youtube. These crashes were on May 4th exactly 5 months after the Pukekohe NZGP. Jochen Rindt's Lotus 49 B R 9 that was written off at Barcelona was the same car he raced NZ.
This fine Terry Marshall photo shows Rindt powering out of the Hairpin.
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I took this photo of Hill's car in the pit area and you can see how the rear wing struts were mounted to the upper suspension.

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(Ken Hyndman..1969 Pukekohe photo )

[khyndart in CA]

Here is a recent entry from "Bonhams" regarding the Graham Hill Lotus 49B-R8 that first raced at Pukekohe Jan. 4th 1969.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21906/lot/342/


(Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

Pukekohe. Jan. 1969 NZGP meet.
One of the first races was for up to 1000 cc class. (Some well known names here )

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( Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

1969 NZGP meet.
Another class field of well known drivers. 1001 c.c. to 1300 c.c. Saloon car race.

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(Ken Hyndman )

[DJMcD]

JacMac is right, it's former MANZ Chief Steward John H Reid. Back in the day he was a racer in the BCM Special and a very fast 1650 Anglia. Looks like AJ McCully on the RH side.

[khyndart in CA]

Thanks Don.
Can you identify the man in blue ?



(Ken Hyndman )

[bry3500]

http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?215-old-race-programs&highlight=programmes

[DJMcD]

Guy in the hat crouched on the LH side is Hank Rossiter, pretty well known around Christchurch in the day. He was a great help to LRAB during those years and was a fairly handy spanner man to a good number of heroes in the sixties. Not sure who the other one is, have my feelers out!

[khyndart in CA]

Jan 4 1969. NZGP. Pukekohe.
The Open Race for Saloon Cars would bring the crowd to its feet.
There certainly was a variety of cars. Note the Anglia of Bryan Marshall had a 997 cc engine and Neil Doyle also had an Anglia with a 5463 c.c. Corvette engine in it ! Allcomers included indeed !

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( Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

Description of the 1969 Tasman series.

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(Ken Hyndman...1969 programme )

[Kwaussie]

Guy in the hat crouched on the LH side is Hank Rossiter, pretty well known around Christchurch in the day. He was a great help to LRAB during those years and was a fairly handy spanner man to a good number of heroes in the sixties. Not sure who the other one is, have my feelers out!

Might be way off the mark [may have been 1969] but was Bruce Munro not part of LARB squad? Bruce had a lovely Cooper T76 F3 up until his death a few years ago.

[Roger Dowding]

Description of the 1969 Tasman series.

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(Ken Hyndman...1969 programme )

Ken and others, love the detail on how fast they can go on the Back Straight, 140-150-160 !! mph.[ two straights with a kink in the middle ].
Once did flaggie at the hairpin, NSCC meeting, scary, but the worst was the the point, just after the start, before the left hander to the " Club " circuit, in a concrete circle at one stage - can't get out in a hurry.. close to the action.

[Kwaussie]

Tis a great shame that most of the speeds from this era are quoted in mph.
The new generation reading the speeds have no connection with mph / kph and think that they are so much faster as they speed out to Melbourne's Calders Parks to do pop off's with their crazy but fast cars.

[GD66]

Unfortunately I have a similar problem with miles per gallon and when folk flash me a purportedly stunning consumption figure in km/litre I just sort of glaze over and there's a faint sound of short-circuiting...

A few seconds later after I've converted the kms to miles and the litres to gallons and then done the division, I'm able to join the glee club but it's all too late...

I've driven across the Nullarbor a few times and there's time to nut all that out on the fly, but off the cuff, I'm a joke...:cool:

[khyndart in CA]

Lotus 49B-R8
Do not laugh at Hyndman's photography. I was 45 years ahead of the photographer for the June 2014 Motorsport magazine !
Same car, same position and note the differences. When I took my "Box Brownie" photo it was a brand new race car. Jan. 4 1969.

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K.Hyndman photo..1969

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June 2014, Motorsport article.



(Ken Hyndman )

[Roger Dowding]

Great stuff, Ken, hope you never run out of motoring information.

Have been delving into my boxes in the garage, big tidy up, to re-discover my books, Graham Vercoes two, Scott Morrisons " Up to Speed - the Ron Roycroft story, which mentions my Uncle Eddie Dowding, other recent ones - and this gem from 1963.
" Rothmans Book of New Zealand Motor Racing ", - with a foreward by BRUCE McLaren "

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[khyndart in CA]

Thanks Roger, I am getting close to the end !
A young Derek Bell was the 2nd Ferrari driver along with Chris Amon. As I was going to the "loo" at Pukekohe, Derek just happened to pass by with his father and I snapped this photo which he kindly signed at Laguna Seca in 2009. He is a friendly man and very funny when he gets with Brian Redman at the talk seminars at the Historic Race Meets. He had a great career in long distance racing and won at Le Mans five times. (It is said that he got up to a speed of 246 MPH on the Mulsanne Straight while testing for the 1971 24 hr race ! )

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(Derek Bell's Ferrari 2.4 litre Dino 246T/69 ( 0010 ) V-6 at Pukekohe. Jan 1969 )
( Ken Hyndman photos )

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Bell and Amon prepare to go out to practice at Pukekohe in their Ferraris. Jan. 1969
(Note the much smaller rear spoilers compared to the Lotus and Brabhams )
( Hyndman scrapbook )

[khyndart in CA]

Here is a few minutes of a Youtube clip of Derek Bell driving a lap of Le Mans in 1983 in one of my favorite race machines, a Porsche 956.
Note the length of Mulsanne Straight. No chicanes like today. Derek was not only fast and brave he is also a survivor !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yni-W7s3Hp4

(Ken Hyndman )

[Grant Sprague]

That's great footage thank you Ken ........

[Terry S]

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Description of the 1969 Tasman series.

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(Ken Hyndman...1969 programme )

Interesting that Jim Palmer is listed with a Repco Brabham V8.

I didn't think he ever had a Repco V8?

[Terry S]

Have just added to Automobilia for sale ,Shell Albums,Sportscar Talk ,3 editions and another,all for sale before listing on Trade Me if no interest here,Selling off all my book colection next to follow,various books on Porsche,Lotus ,Austin Healey,MG Midget,Scimitar,Mini Cooper and S.MGC GT,General books and workshop manuals,also book on Lotus twin can repair.Also rare David Vizard on Mini tuning and other mini tuning books.

I'm confused, what has this got to do with the thread title?
Are you going to post it on every thread?

[GD66]

Interesting that Jim Palmer is listed with a Repco Brabham V8.

I didn't think he ever had a Repco V8?



He didn't race in that year's series at all.

[khyndart in CA]

Jan 4 th 1969. 16 th NZGP. Pukekohe

Here is the entrants list for the Grand Prix. ( Note # 41 is listed as Jim Palmer driving a Rorstan Mk 1. What happened to this ride ?)

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(Ken Hyndman )

[Terry S]

Jan 4 th 1969. 16 th NZGP. Pukekohe

Here is the entrants list for the Grand Prix. ( Note # 41 is listed as Jim Palmer driving a Rorstan Mk 1. What happened to this ride ?)


(Ken Hyndman )

Ken wasn't there a story that he was promised a Repco V8 in the Rorstan and when this didn't happen he left?

[GD66]

The Rorstan drive was a lengthy and convoluted non-event. Pretty sure the listed drive was a Climax-powered car and as a result as you've indicated he never drove it.

[khyndart in CA]

Jim was a very good driver but I do not think he drove in single seaters after this. I do remember him at Baypark being upset with Norm Beechey after a saloon car race as they had banged doors coming through the S corners. (Great entertainment )I can't remember whether that was in the Porsche or the Camaro..( I need help on that one )

( Ken Hyndman )

[GD66]

Jim was a very good driver but I do not think he drove in single seaters after this. ( Ken Hyndman )



I reckon you're right. For some reason Rorstan had the Australian driver Paul Bolton driving for them the year before and after a poor results and reliability record he fired a Brabham through the hangar at Wigram. From Levin '68, Bolton on the left, Yock in the Lotus BRM, Palmer in the M4A and Frank Radisich in the Lotus 22 before it became the HCM.
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[khyndart in CA]

Jan 4th 1969. NZGP. Pukekohe.
I had been a fan of Chris Amon ever since I had seen him drive in the rain at Ardmore in 1962. Although he did not have much luck on the Formula 1 circuits he was highly regarded by all his competition. Like his team mate Derek Bell, he was fast and talented and also a survivor. He certainly drove well at Pukekohe and this was his second win here.
( Another distant "Brownie" camera photo as Chris looked around after winning the NZGP )

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(Ken Hyndman ..photo )

[khyndart in CA]

The day after the NZGP. Jan. 1969.
This was big money back then. Perhaps Rod Grimwood could have been found here. I thank Kevin Hirst for the advice..
"Ken, look for the bloke on right with paper in hand on post 81, looks like he is pushing car but is actualy pinching the guy's watch, that is Rod, cheers, would love to be there, "
Kevin, I will keep my "Apple Watch" out of sight at Laguna Seca ! ( Just joking )
Note on this stock car announcement the name of the one and only Mr. Spinner Black. (Cowan-Black Promotions )He was an enterprising man.

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( From 1969 NZGP programme )

(Ken Hyndman )

[Rod Grimwood]

Here you are from the 1968 Shell Year Book

Don't worry about your watch, keep a hand on the wallet cobber.

Cheers see you there

[khyndart in CA]

Well folks it is time for me to sign off as I have run out of old programmes and photos. This has been a fun project bringing back many memories and very interesting inputs. Perhaps some of you can carry on with programmes into the 1970s and beyond. I have taken up too much space and now I am moving aside.
Thanks,
Ken Hyndman.

( In 1969 I could have gone off to relax with a "Lexington" filtered cigarette. I just may not have lived long enough to write this ! )

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(1969 NZGP programme )

[tonttu]

Thanks Ken for doing this as its been really interesting and brings back a few memories.

[nigel watts]

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[Grant Sprague]

Thank you Ken well done , good photo of Jim Palmer I had a great yarn with him at HD an other fellow car dealer & a top man from Hamilton

[khyndart in CA]

Grant,
You have always supported my "stuff" and I really appreciate that and especially the opportunity to meet you.. I may be back after Laguna Seca..perhaps Rod will provide me with some material !
Hey, I did find this find this bit on Jim Palmer in the 1969 programme. Interesting comment regarding Colin Chapman. Also ironic in the picture of Bolton through the hanger (post # 286) that it is Jim Palmer driving by in his McLaren M4A.

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1969 NZGP programme entry.

(Ken Hyndman )

[John McKechnie]

Note on this stock car announcement the name of the one and only Mr. Spinner Black. (Cowan-Black Promotions )He was an enterprising man.

Ken-
Spinner and Terry Scott ran Forrest Lake stock cars in Hamilton
His brother Warren ran Waikaraka Park with Cowan.
Rod could tell you a few tales as he worked there.
Warren has a car wrecking business just across the road.
My son told me you called while you were in NZ recently....next time and with a drive in the Monaro

[khyndart in CA]

Tasman Races in Australia 1969.
Time to finish off with a Youtube movie showing the sights and sounds of the winged cars that would soon be banned from racing with these wing configurations.
(Thanks to Alec Mildren & Alfa Romeo for recording this)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUXVLE88oEc


(Ken Hyndman )

[Grant Sprague]

That is interesting Ken ......Jim is a down to earth hard case guy only met him a couple of times but a genuine good bloke ....amazing history in this short read , the other guys I meet from that era were few mainly due to the age gap[ from single seaters ]....but got to know Roly very well ..due to living in same city & same interests re golf & cars [& his beautiful daughters] & cool sons not to mention helping me win a few pre 65 championships in a mustang , hey re Rod [Grimmie] Grimwood I had a text saying he was off to help with fellow kiwi F5000 up yr way, an other top bugga we go back a few yrs hope you catch up with him but don't expect a coffee just good beer ....lol would be good to catch up again, to be honest since you were here I have been running around in overalls cleaning & fixing .........but managed to take family away on a good holiday in between that ..take care Grant

[nigel watts]

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[Roger Dowding]

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Ken, thanks for all your Posts, Nigel Wow, even older stuff,
I gave all mine away Programs [ Pukekohe 1965 to around 1983/4 and several from Baypark mid 70's ] to Rhys Jones, the Motorcycle Racer and Author of the book, " On Track - A history of Motor Racing at Pukekohe " published in 2008, I have an Autographed copy from Rhys.
After writing the book I gave him the programs and he advised " wished he had them before he wrote it .

Keep it coming Guys ..

[Noo Noo]

Well folks it is time for me to sign off as I have run out of old programmes and photos. This has been a fun project bringing back many memories and very interesting inputs. Perhaps some of you can carry on with programmes into the 1970s and beyond. I have taken up too much space and now I am moving aside.
Thanks,
Ken Hyndman.

( In 1969 I could have gone off to relax with a "Lexington" filtered cigarette. I just may not have lived long enough to write this ! )

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(1969 NZGP programme )

In reference to Lexington's "after action, satisfaction", Graham Hill was quoted as saying "personally, I get my satisfaction from the action".
I was just a young man with a sheltered upbringing at the time, so of course I didn't understand what he was alluding to.

As for Lexingtons, they had toasted tobacco and were a great smoke. Several of my friends and I puffed away on them with much enthusiasm and were disappointed when they disappeared off the market after a very short lifespan. I had to go back to Peter Stuyvesants (The International passport to smoking pleasure) and I don't know what Graham Hill had to say about them.

David Hunter

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[Milan Fistonic]

Nigel. You will have noticed that the 1956 programme you posted does not have a list of competitors for the NZ Grand Prix. That's because it was printed on a separate sheet that was included with the programme. Unfortunately most of the programmes one sees these days do not have the entry list.

If I can find my copy I'll post it here.

[Roger Dowding]

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Gordon Brown, is that the same man who built the GB Special, Ford 10 based with sportscar body, Hillman Gearbox and a 2 speed back axle ??. It is featured in the " NSCC the early years " post

[khyndart in CA]

John McKechnie,
I hope next time we can meet up and we will have time to go out in the Monaro.
I wish I had kept the 1968 photo I took of Spinner unloading his yellow Camaro at a house in Morrinsville with Terry Scott and his wife holding baby Kayne. The Camaro came off a pretty sorry looking trailer considering the load it was carrying. I think it was the same trailer as shown in these photos. I just remember laughing at the antics and comments of these guys. Like I mentioned a year ago, growing up in the Morrinsville area at the time was really special. Our rugby club (Kereone ) had 4 All Blacks on it at one time.(Don & Ian Clarke, Ponty Reid and Ron Hemi.) Plus all the motor racing connections in the Morrinsville area .e.g. Spencer (Spinner ) Black went to Kiwitahi school with my sister, Bryan Innes's family brought property from my grandfather, Dennis Marwood married the sister of a neighboring farmer, a relative owned the Motordrome Service Station in Te Rapa, Terry Marshall was at Morrinsville College when I was there, John Paton (Paton & Black ) engines was a friend,Terry Scott, Ross Greenville had a really sweet niece etc. etc. ( We were like a big family )
Plus we had Nigel Watts father as our family doctor. Life was good but I think I just took it for granted but I am grateful for those times now when I look back.

Again you can see the standard of trailer Spinner used to move this fine machine around ! "she'll be right mate, no worries "

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(Camaro parked outside Spinner Black's home in Morrinsville. Freshly painted in Cambridge colours for Terry Scott to drive. )

Thanks again John,
Also Nigel thanks for carrying this site on. (I never realized how young Bruce McLaren looked until I saw .that 1956 programme !)
(Ken Hyndman )

[Trevor Sheffield]

Gordon Brown, is that the same man who built the GB Special, Ford 10 based with sportscar body, Hillman Gearbox and a 2 speed back axle ??. It is featured in the " NSCC the early years " post

Yes the same Gordon Brown. As I understand it still living in Herne Bay.

[John McKechnie]

Ken- AB said he same thing about the same trailer- it was always working hard, especially in the South Island.
Lifes wheel will certainly have turned the full circle for you when you can use the Monaro radiator panel as a bar table again.
Warren said he would like to catch up for a drink at the same bar.....and it looks like from the views here, it will be crowded bar.

[Roger Dowding]

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These could be small, A huge Pontiac amongst the small stuff, Mini's etc and the Lycoming 1966/67 not sure .. from my " Box Brownie " type camera days Ken ..

[John McKechnie]

In #305- the Veteran Grand Prix field looks amazing, does anyone have anymore info or pix on this, or has it been covered in another thread?
The White Steamer for example, does that still live on?
Hardy Motor Wreckers certainly look well represented, have they had any mention previously?
How long did it take for the 1907 Cadillac to travel the 10 miles?
Twombly and Zedel are very rare names, were they genuine race cars?

[Roger Dowding]

In #305- the Veteran Grand Prix field looks amazing, does anyone have anymore info or pix on this, or has it been covered in another thread?
The White Steamer for example, does that still live on?
Hardy Motor Wreckers certainly look well represented, have they had any mention previously?
How long did it take for the 1907 Cadillac to travel the 10 miles?
Twombly and Zedel are very rare names, were they genuine race cars?

Google tells me the Zedel was a real car Company and they did make a racer or two..

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The Zedel Motor Company, or otherwise known as Automobiles Zedel, was first an outfit that built engines for bikes, motorcycles and three wheelers around the turn of the 20th century. They were located in St Aubin, Switzerland on the southwestern end of Neuchatel Lake.

In 1902 they moved their headquarters due west over the boarder into Pontarlier, France. This was done in an effort to limit import duties since the majority of their customers were french companies. It wasn’t until 1906 that they started building their first motorcars.

Zedel cars were small and, in the beginning, had room for only two people. The first engines were 4-cylinder powerplants with 1128 cc. Later on those numbers would grow to 3563 cc by 1912. Automobiles Zedel was a well-known make for the time. Leading up to World War I they were averaging more than a vehicle a day in production. It was’nt quite the assembly line production made famous by Henry Ford.

In 1908 Zedel came out with a four-seater and then in 1912 they introduced a vehicle that was a little more upscale.

[Trevor Sheffield]

In #305- the Veteran Grand Prix field looks amazing, does anyone have anymore info or pix on this, or has it been covered in another thread?
The White Steamer for example, does that still live on?
Hardy Motor Wreckers certainly look well represented, have they had any mention previously?
How long did it take for the 1907 Cadillac to travel the 10 miles?
Twombly and Zedel are very rare names, were they genuine race cars?

Hardy Motor Wreckers.--- Merv. Hardy was a wonderful old long term enthusiast, a gentleman and quite special. I have been trying to attach a document of interest, but three pages of A4 will not be accepted.

[John McKechnie]

Just reading Merv Hardy won the first Midget race , Newmarket Park at the bottom of Sarawia St in 1949. I assume its the same man?

Reference here is-http://www.historicspeedway.co.nz/Olympic%20Park-Newmarket.htm

[Roger Dowding]

John Mck.. have found a little on the Twombly too!!, an American Cyclecar
The Twombly was a cyclecar manufactured in the US by Driggs-Seabury between 1913 and 1915. The cars had water-cooled, four-cylinder engines, two seats in tandem, and an underslung body. Few of them are still in existence.

The designer was Willard Irving Twombly (1873-1953), inventor and aviator. His largest investor, Reverend David Stuart Dodge petitioned for bankruptcy in 1915 claiming he was owed $428,238 by the Twombly group of companies for loans and interest.[1] Shortly after this, Twombly became involved in an expensive divorce case and was eventually jailed following accusations of bigamy and misconduct.[2]


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[John McKechnie]

Wow, it seems that this race back then certainly had some very unique cars.
Any body remember it at all?
Twoomby sounds likes like a real character- half a mill in 1915
Oldfart- you know quite a bit on cyclecars-have you come across this one ?

[khyndart in CA]

After reading the very well researched Rorstan thread I was reminded that somewhere I had an old B&W photo from the 1964 NZGP at Pukekohe. I took this photo at the Elbow Corner and Tony Shelly had just gone past the left side and Jim Palmer is coming under attack from Bruce McLaren in his Cooper as he comes out of the corner and on the right is Jack Brabham slowing for the corner in his BT 7 A.
On the very next lap Brabham crashed into Shelly at this spot and was lucky to escape unhurt as his car just missed the horse stable building after being launched in the air. The next lap McLaren slowed to check on Jack and Tony and then gave Jack the "finger" as he accelerated away. The crowd roared at all the excitement.

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( Ken Hyndman photo )

[Roger Dowding]

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These could be small, A huge Pontiac amongst the small stuff, Mini's etc and the Lycoming 1966/67 not sure .. from my " Box Brownie " type camera days Ken ..

According to another Forum, the Pontiac is being peddled by either John Windleburn or maybe Colin Prast .. if anyone has 1966 67 Pukekohe Race proegarms, like the ones I gave away in 2008, will have the answer, can't quite make out the Race number.
The Lycoming should be Jimmy Boyd

[Roger Dowding]

In my garage again and found another piece of Motoring history " The History of the Dunedin Festival Road Races 1953 - 65 ", entitled " Racing Round the Houses " by Scott Thomson [ who wrote the Ron Roycroft History " Up to Speed " ], published in 1983 by the Vintage Car Club of N Z Otago branch, I purchased my copy at the 1984, Dunedin Street Race Revival meeting. Also found newspaper clipping and some photos both mine and ones from the Otago Daily Times.
here are the front and back covers of the book [ booklet really ]

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[Milan Fistonic]

Scott Thomson also put out a book on the Waimate races.

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[Roger Dowding]

Milan, would certainly like to get hold of that. have read bits about Waimate, but never went there - too far away from Auckland and that bit of water in between the islands made it expensive too !!.

[Roger Dowding]

Posting these here as unsure which thread would be right. the Quickfire Club Circuit meeting Sept 1968 - as I have found out from the back of a photo. the meeting was on TV [ one in those days as not other channel and B and W too !!
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Formula Vees - #3, at back..

next one posted on the Mini's and Imps page but from the same day.

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That Mini-Ford - Lotus Twincam motor.

[rf84]

Barney Pellow in the Brabham, ? in the U2 (fairly distinctive alloy wheels should identify it), the "Mini special" is an MER-possibly Doug Cross? The F Vee behind the MER (and in the large photo) looks very much like a McQueen Vee (Auckland built car based closely on an Australian "Elfin" design).

[Milan Fistonic]

The U2 looks like the one my mate raced in the mid-sixties. He sold it to Graeme Morley. It was built by Graham McRae and was unusual in that it had independent rear suspension.

Edit: Morley is listed as competing at the Club Circuit on August 18 1968 so it must be his car.

[rf84]

The McRae u2 is currently owned and raced by Alan Service and still has the same alloy wheels as in the photo above.

[Roger Dowding]

Apologies for the typos on the photos U2 not U@, etc.. the photo of the F-Vee no number is me kneeling down looking at the gearbox, and my two mates Roger Allport [ back on ] and Ron Lucca [ side on ] so assume that Steve Fowler took the photo..

[Milan Fistonic]

The McRae u2 is currently owned and raced by Alan Service and still has the same alloy wheels as in the photo above.

That's right, but it's lost the IRS.

[Milan Fistonic]

The FV was used in McQeen's adverts for the car.

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That's right, but it's lost the IRS.

that would be a step backwards then

[Ross Hollings]

AHH memories,Minimax on back of grid with Ken Flashman in the ex Peter Bruin Cooper Vincent.The U2 drivers name escapes me but will come when the brain electrodes join up!! [These comments relate to the dummy grid photo.] Have actually seen an 8mm film of this race,film exists in Australia with Doug Wentworth.

Just read other posts,Yes Graeme Morley ,should read before i type,did not realise i raced against it again when i had the Humber 80 Special.!

[Oldfart]

that would be a step backwards then
Perhaps not as it has now won the Historic Sports car class a few times!

[Roger Dowding]

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Does anyone want more Vintage photo's .. Ken will be happy, have a few shots !!.

[Roger Dowding]

AHH memories,Minimax on back of grid with Ken Flashman in the ex Peter Bruin Cooper Vincent.The U2 drivers name escapes me but will come when the brain electrodes join up!! [These comments relate to the dummy grid photo.] Have actually seen an 8mm film of this race,film exists in Australia with Doug Wentworth.

Just read other posts,Yes Graeme Morley ,should read before i type,did not realise i raced against it again when i had the Humber 80 Special.!

Ken Flashman comes to my mind, and Peter Bruin, ..there was a short sprint at Te Atatu, down the Industrial road to the now waste station, Well around 78-80, they had a sprint and Peter Bruin, had a replica Lotus Eleven, and lots of other cars, no photo's .. sorry.

[Roger Dowding]

Photo posted on Facebook on the New Zealand Rallying History page by Edward Porter - from his fathers collection of photos, have suggested Edward join TRS.
here is a photo of Pat Hoare in his Ferrari at Clelands Rd Hillclimb Timaru. late 50's early 60's. Hopefully there will be more.

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[ERC]

Great piece on Peter Gethin just before the Italian GP live on Sky.

[Steve Holmes]

Photo posted on Facebook on the New Zealand Rallying History page by Edward Porter - from his fathers collection of photos, have suggested Edward join TRS.
here is a photo of Pat Hoare in his Ferrari at Clelands Rd Hillclimb Timaru. late 50's early 60's. Hopefully there will be more.

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Wow, what a photo!

[Steve Holmes]

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Does anyone want more Vintage photo's .. Ken will be happy, have a few shots !!.

Yes please.

[khyndart in CA]

Steve,
I have programmes /( programs) and photos from some races here in California at Long Beach and Laguna Seca 1975 - 1989.
Is this a suitable forum for them ? Is there any interest in NZ for this era ? Should I plug away at this site or start a whole new thread ?
I await any replies. (Any ones input is appreciated )
Thanks.

(Ken Hyndman )

[Roger Dowding]

Steve,
I have programmes /( programs) and photos from some races here in California at Long Beach and Laguna Seca 1975 - 1989.
Is this a suitable forum for them ? Is there any interest in NZ for this era ? Should I plug away at this site or start a whole new thread ?
I await any replies. (Any ones input is appreciated )
Thanks.

(Ken Hyndman )

Ken, I would love them, put them on a new thread and I can add my photos from Laguna Seca and Portland International Raceway in 1982, and I think some more from PIR in 1988, just have to find the latter

cheers, Roger

[Roger Dowding]

Yes please.

Steve, can do that plus a few from the 1971 Hunua Hundred, Vintage Car Club Rally, which i navigated for a VCC member in a Model A Ford.

[Steve Holmes]

Steve, can do that plus a few from the 1971 Hunua Hundred, Vintage Car Club Rally, which i navigated for a VCC member in a Model A Ford.

Great! Looking forward to it Roger.

[Milan Fistonic]

A clipping from the Herald dated December 17 1959 when Bruce McLaren returned home after winning his first Grand Prix at Sebring.

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[khyndart in CA]

I found this old VCR tape at a garage sale (4 VCR tapes for a dollar (US) and I do not know if it made to DVD form.(It did )
(DVD version has extra footage of Vern Schuppan at Mosport in Canada )
It is 50 minutes of magic with Derek Bell howling around seven old circuits in a Porsche 956 in 1984
Including the "old" Nurburgring of over 13 miles and South Africa's Kyalami circuit. LeMans is fantastic.
I hope you can get a chance to see / own it. (You might have to get out the old VCR from the attic !)

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(Ken Hyndman )

[Roger Dowding]

A race programme from 1964 that features several TRS members and some well known saloon and sports car drivers.

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Programme courtesy of John H who raced his Zephyr against some top Tin-top names like Dawson Riley Souness Marwood Coppins and F Radisich.
Trevor Sheffiled was up against the same J Riley [ Lola ] with S Oxton and B Merrett in SP 250's with Trevor.
no results held.
car 36 Austin Healey B C Conway, would that be Charlie Conway ??
and what about that HWM Continental at 7500cc. .

[Grant Sprague]

A clipping from the Herald dated December 17 1959 when Bruce McLaren returned home after winning his first Grand Prix at Sebring.

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[Kevin Hirst]

Thanks Milan .. this is very .. cool

Apart from A Hopkins & T sheffield, is there anybody else still racing from that lot?

[Roger Dowding]

From some programmes that Spgeti sent to me .
Wigram 25th February 1950
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Feature race entry list
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Ohakea 3rd March 1951
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Feature race entry list and lap chart the lap chart went to the next page laps 33-50
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Like the way that you could marks the laps of the cars as went past you

[Roger Dowding]

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Organised by the Egmont Classic Car Register for the 50th Anniversary.
I think some pictures appeared in NZ Classic Car or Classic Driver at the time.
My mags from that time got left in NZ.

anyone with photo's please post them.

[Spgeti]

The Buckler 90 owned by Dallas Crampton did belong to my good friend Garry Price. Garry purchased it off Dewar Thomas. We spent an enjoyable afternoon with Dewar looking at his photograph albums.....that was amazing on his travels in F1 and Indy.

Sadly I believe Dallas has passed away some years ago.

I had planned to run the Alfa GTV 2000 there but mechanical gremlins put a holt to that.
It was an enjoyable day and met many old friends.

[khyndart in CA]

Even though I served my apprenticeship as a mechanic in NZ and then went overseas to work with Holden in Sydney, Trojan Works in London, BMW in North America, this Trade Certificate proves that I was not the "sharpest knife in the drawer" at that time. ( As my siblings often remind me !)

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(Ken Hyndman..hey, anything over 50 is superfluous !

[Roger Dowding]

Ken, mate, you got there this boy had two shots at the Old Shcool Cert, just missed the first and was good the second year at it, then failed UE, all good. have my school papers too !!, my mother kept such stuff, maybe that is where I got the collecting habit from.

[John McKechnie]

Roger- the best bit is that we couldnt remember things for the exams, but 50 years later we can remember all of this....................

[Roger Dowding]

Roger- the best bit is that we couldnt remember things for the exams, but 50 years later we can remember all of this....................

Amazing ehh !!, agree John, and this while not helping my education is so much better !!.

[Milan Fistonic]

This 71-year-old driver toured New Zealand in 1960 towing a caravan behind his race car.

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[Milan Fistonic]

They were calling Ken a veteran in 1983 and he's still going 32 years later.

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[Milan Fistonic]

The ex-Silcock Jaguar re-born in 1983?

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[Kwaussie]

Great copy Milan.
Shame that great book shop closed in Newmarket - or has it ?
Cheers Patrick

[Roger Dowding]

Steve, can do that plus a few from the 1971 Hunua Hundred, Vintage Car Club Rally, which i navigated for a VCC member in a Model A Ford.

Have not forgotten, just need to get back into the boxes of photos. plus busy with my new camera and the Lakeside thread.

[John McKechnie]

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Clive Gotts Jaguar at my workshop-a few years ago.
Note the flares, flutes in bonnet and it has the same engine as in #357.
And he has still gott a great head of hair.

[khyndart in CA]

Here is a bit a "blast from the past" from newspaper clippings Dec. 1961 to Jan 6 1962 regarding Bruce McLaren and his
Mini Cooper.

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( Ken Hyndman ..thanks to Jan McLaren for some of the newspaper cuttings )

[Cooper997]

Nice finds Ken.

Stephen

[khyndart in CA]

1962. I think this is at Levin. Look how easy it was then to meet up with Stirling Moss and have a chat. I wish it could be like that today.
Also Stirling's Rob Walker Lotus 21 arriving by trailer towed by a Borgward Isabella.
The Lotus 21 was certainly a vastly different and improved design over the previous year's Lotus 18.
(Thanks to Stephen Page for the coloured photos. Revived wonderful memories.)

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(Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

Is it really 46 years since the tragic news came through from Goodwood about " Our Bruce" ?
I was in Sydney at the time and will always remember a workmate telling me what he'd heard on the news. It seemed unbelievable at the time.
The first time I had seen Bruce McLaren drive was at the first real motor race meeting I attended, the 1959 NZGP at Ardmore.
I remember my uncle took photo slides of that day and I wish I knew what became of them.

These two sites give a good summary of that day and of how close we came to seeing Mike Hawthorn driving here instead of tragically on the Guildford By-Pass a few days later.

http://www.stirlingmoss.com/articles/feature/stirling-moss-race-history-1959-new-zealand-grand-prix

plus Bruce Sergent's excellent site;

http://www.sergent.com.au/motor/1959.html




(Ken Hyndman )

[khyndart in CA]

June 2nd 2016,
Two of my favorites in one photo.
One I got to know well and the other I always wished I had had the opportunity to meet.

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(NZ Herald Motoring Page photo. Dec. 12. 1961 )

Thanks Bruce. R.I.P.


( Ken Hyndman )

[Roger Dowding]

Mentioned on the Allan Porter collection is the cover for a set of Weetbix Hot Rod cards, Steve Holmes says there were two issues and I have most of the first series from 1971..

This post seems the best thread to put them on..

a few to start with .. front and back ..

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these are where I had duplicates .. unfortunately don't have the full set.. any takers for a swap !!

[Roger Dowding]

#2, & #6, the cars
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the details ;
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Need numbers ; #5, #7 and #11 ..
can swap #1, #3, #4, #9, #10, with a bonus extra #9..
anybody have the second series, as mentioned by Steve..
Thanks Ken I used your thread, but thought it appropriate and also these things have travelled, all around Auckland from 1971 to 2008, then to Sydney in 2009 and to Bellara, QLD in 2011..

[Roger Dowding]

Putting this request here as is about the 1970's. there is an inquiry on Facebook that I am following
" So if a 1940 American style truck was around and about in 1967 would the truck then have a 1967 plate as I understand it back then a plate was issued each year and it was 1964 that the black and silver plate as we know them as came in? ". Plate was of course not issued each year but the Rego Sticker was, and the warrant 6 monthly.

A Lady has the above truck - presume a light / pickup truck, so on a Private Registration.
from my memory in 1967, the year I got my first car Warrant Stickers were White with Black printing and handwritten details of the vehicle put on in either Black or Blue pen..Ballpoint pens had hit the market in the 60's ..

Licence Plate seen in this picture are Pre- 1967 when permanent plates were being issued - from 1964 to 1966;
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These would be newer than the 1960's - look more 1990's to me .. none of my photos show enough detail ..
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Ken hope I haven't hijacked your thread ..
cheers

Roger

[khyndart in CA]

Not at all Roger,
That's what the thread is for. The more the merrier.

BTW.. You did not answer some input I put in on page 7 of the Old race transporter thread that I "hijacked" !

Cheers,
Ken.

[Gearbox Grinder]

Those WOF's came in in the mid 1980's,they replaced the old white paper with black number WOF's.The old WOF's were too easy to photocopy,or people used to cut numbers off calendars and stick them over the numbers to extend their warrants.The new design was a step backwards as the numbers were hard too read from a distance and you had to put your head in the car to read the expiry date.I was in the MOT back then.A WOF cost .50c at the testing station back then.

[Roger Dowding]

Those WOF's came in in the mid 1980's,they replaced the old white paper with black number WOF's.The old WOF's were too easy to photocopy,or people used to cut numbers off calendars and stick them over the numbers to extend their warrants.The new design was a step backwards as the numbers were hard too read from a distance and you had to put your head in the car to read the expiry date.I was in the MOT back then.A WOF cost .50c at the testing station back then.

Thanks for that info .. cheers Roger

[Steve Holmes]

Here is one I stumbled on to recently. The program from the 1969 Riverside Trans-Am race. Note that Mark Donohue's Penske Camaro is still wearing its vinyl top. The two team cars appeared with these tops in the early rounds, but the paranoia of the competition was such that they eventually got the SCCA to have the team remove them.

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[khyndart in CA]

I don't know how long this has been happening but it is very pleasing to see Gearbox Grinder's great " Photo Bucket" photos back on this thread (Starting on page 8 ).

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(Ken H)

[Roger Dowding]

I don't know how long this has been happening but it is very pleasing to see Gearbox Grinder's great " Photo Bucket" photos back on this thread (Starting on page 8 ).

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(Ken H)

Have they given up their holding you to ransom because you use their service to store photo's then charge you to use them ??

[Ike]

This is in reply to the post on ...PAGE 17 .... 30.08.2015 by Roger Dowling & 31.08.2015 By Milan Fistonic

The Meeting is from 1968
Pukekohe Club Circuit .....Sept 1st 1968 Northern Sports Car Club

Photo # 1 (top working down)
My old album, has part of a program listing
#61 as Brian Pellow--- Brabham
#4 is Graeme Morley----ex McRae U2
# ? Could be M Mc Donald ----Mini Minus Special or R Duirs MER
# 3 is Rob Allen .Spencer Allen Motors- Manurewa / Begg & Allen Manuewa ---- Almen Formula Vee
# 6 is Ivan Berry, No Number on the nose --- Ike Formula Vee

Photo # 2
# 6 is Ivan Berry's Ike Vee ----This Vee was the 2nd in the country after Barry Munro. The Ike Vee was built in Australia in 1966
by the owner Ivan Berry. The car was a copy of an Elfin space frame chassis, The body was an a altered Elfin body also built by the owner. The car was raced in Victoria at various tracks before
being shipped to N.Z. mid 1967.
# 3 is Rob Alens Almen Vee.

Photo # 4 answer by Milan Fistonic
The photo of the advertisment "FORMULA V DEVELOPMENT" The photo used by Ken McQueen Motors in the Add was
taken by Jack Inwood for "Motorman Magazine" at a track test for an article published in the January 1968 issue of
Motorman... The photos used in the add is being driven by the Editor of Motorman Don Anderson.
Ken McQeen motors sponsored the "Ike Vee" for the 1967/68/69 season and used the chassis design as the basis for the subsequent
McQueen Vee. Ivan Berry was supplying the bodies, seats and windscreens for the McQueen Cars.

Some other memories.......

Peter Bruin ...Bright yellow Cooper Vincent was always competing ..... Dark Blue overalls - Red Helmet!

Ken Flashman... Went on to drive a Formula Vee for Lynn Motors in a "Rebel Vee"...... Ken was unfortunate to damage his hand badly in the intake fan of the VW motor.

[Oldfart]

The "Mini Special" looks very MER like to me, could also be Les Reisterer? He had the first one of several built by Matamata Engineering.

[Roger Dowding]

The "Mini Special" looks very MER like to me, could also be Les Reisterer? He had the first one of several built by Matamata Engineering.

Oldfart and Ike - thanks for the details - I will use that and repost the photos, with your comments Gentlemen !! .
Oldfart yes think the MER was mentioned elsewhere when the posted - I must have had two cameras that day as some photos are square, my Brownie Starlet and some rectanguar, some one must have used that camera too as I appear in one of the photos- before the Selfie was invented !!

[Roger Dowding]

Quote from IKE regarding the posts back in August 2015 - the details with the photos added

" This is in reply to the post on ...PAGE 17 .... 30.08.2015 by Roger Dowling & 31.08.2015 By Milan Fistonic

The Meeting is from 1968
Pukekohe Club Circuit .....Sept 1st 1968 Northern Sports Car Club

Photo # 1 (top working down)
My old album, has part of a program listing
#61 as Brian Pellow--- Brabham
#4 is Graeme Morley----ex McRae U2
# ? Could be M Mc Donald ----Mini Minus Special or R Duirs MER
# 3 is Rob Allen .Spencer Allen Motors- Manurewa / Begg & Allen Manuewa ---- Almen Formula Vee
# 6 is Ivan Berry, No Number on the nose --- Ike Formula Vee

Photo #1
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Photo # 2
# 6 is Ivan Berry's Ike Vee ----This Vee was the 2nd in the country after Barry Munro. The Ike Vee was built in Australia in 1966
by the owner Ivan Berry. The car was a copy of an Elfin space frame chassis, The body was an a altered Elfin body also built by the owner. The car was raced in Victoria at various tracks before
being shipped to N.Z. mid 1967.
# 3 is Rob Alens Almen Vee.

Photo #2 - That is me looking at the engine knelling down and another Roger [ Rog Allport ] and another Mate Ron Lucka - standing by the car - photo probably taken by Richard or Steve Fowler - we probably all went in the Blue Beast - Rog A's 1960 Vauxhall PA ..
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Photo # 4 answer by Milan Fistonic
The photo of the advertisment "FORMULA V DEVELOPMENT" The photo used by Ken McQueen Motors in the Add was
taken by Jack Inwood for "Motorman Magazine" at a track test for an article published in the January 1968 issue of
Motorman... The photos used in the add is being driven by the Editor of Motorman Don Anderson.
Ken McQeen motors sponsored the "Ike Vee" for the 1967/68/69 season and used the chassis design as the basis for the subsequent
McQueen Vee. Ivan Berry was supplying the bodies, seats and windscreens for the McQueen Cars.

Some other memories.......

Peter Bruin ...Bright yellow Cooper Vincent was always competing ..... Dark Blue overalls - Red Helmet!

Ken Flashman... Went on to drive a Formula Vee for Lynn Motors in a "Rebel Vee"...... Ken was unfortunate to damage his hand badly in the intake fan of the VW motor. "

Re ; Ken Flashman - built the Mini-Max, which both he and later Ross Hollings raced and Hill Climbed - there is a photo of Ross in the car at Cosseys Farm, Drury on the Northern Sports Car Club thread.

IKE, as the event was an NSCC event - am posting the details there too.
Thanks so much for the information

[Milan Fistonic]

Re ; Ken Flashman - built the Mini-Max, which both he and later Ross Hollings raced and Hill Climbed - there is a photo of Ross in the car at Cosseys Farm, Drury on the Northern Sports Car Club thread.


The Mini Max was built by Max Rutherford in 1965. I don't recall Ken Flashman ever racing the car

[Roger Dowding]

Re ; Ken Flashman - built the Mini-Max, which both he and later Ross Hollings raced and Hill Climbed - there is a photo of Ross in the car at Cosseys Farm, Drury on the Northern Sports Car Club thread.


The Mini Max was built by Max Rutherford in 1965. I don't recall Ken Flashman ever racing the car

Thanks Milan.. I know Ross had it,may have got a bit Maxed up ..

[John McKechnie]

Roger....my neighbour in the late 70s, early 80s was Merv McDonald who had the Mini Minus...later known as the Beast.It is on other threads here...hillclimbs . Used to be a Cooper and that looks like his body, though dont remember nose being so open It did however run a VW motor in hillclimbs with him and later Steve Browne- Ross H will know. Dont think Merv ran it as early as 1968....but happy to be enlightened

[Milan Fistonic]

Roger....my neighbour in the late 70s, early 80s was Merv McDonald who had the Mini Minus...later known as the Beast.It is on other threads here...hillclimbs . Used to be a Cooper and that looks like his body, though dont remember nose being so open It did however run a VW motor in hillclimbs with him and later Steve Browne- Ross H will know. Dont think Merv ran it as early as 1968....but happy to be enlightened

This is Steve Browne with The Beast at Anderson's Farm Hillclimb in December 1977. It was running a 1500cc VW engine at that time.

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[John McKechnie]

Thanks Milan, Merv is now departed, but he was a close friend and its great to see the pix again

[Ike]

The "Beast" at this time looks like an altered Vee.....The body and windscreen are ex-vee, with a VW motor, the gearbox would be VW as the rear wheels and rear brake drums are all VW.....The front end is from something else

[Kevin Hirst]

The "Beast" at this time looks like an altered Vee.....The body and windscreen are ex-vee, with a VW motor, the gearbox would be VW as the rear wheels and rear brake drums are all VW.....The front end is from something else

Look's very cooper cross spring to me, would think not legal for " V "

[Roger Dowding]

Just reading Ken H's introduction to this thread ;
" I found another box of "stuff" that I had dragged back from Kiwitahi to California and although some of it has been presented before I feel one can never get too much of the racing history from the 50s and 60s etc. Some of the old Ardmore programmes give a wonderful insight to who,what and where some of the drivers and cars came from.
I used to cut out pictures from the NZ Herald and Weekly News and put them in scrapbooks and I wanted to share some of that also and encourage anyone else to share what they may have "tucked away" from this era. "

My growing up [ haven't stopped yet !! according to ' her indoors' ] must have been similar, cutting out articles and acquiring motoring " stuff " which is now considered memorabilia.
I have an "Accounts Ledger " that my father put together in the late 1940's - cuttings from UK magazines and NZ papers of various Car Road Tests stuck into the Ledger - it must have rubbed off.

As mentioned on " Old Tracks " a wet day here, so have been editing photos that I took recently of some of my " memorabilia " while going through my Archives - Two large boxes of stuff,plus a bookshelf that all live in the Garage along with around 300 of my Scale Models and few metal signs.

A couple of Books with the NZ connection .. and my part of a set of Le Mans books by Brooklands ;

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Thanks to Spgeti for the " Waimate " Book..
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Le Mans ;
1947 to 1965
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1966 to 1982
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