Motoring Books - including your bookshelf.

[ERC]

Instigated via the Quiz thread! It deserves one of its own.

Best bookshelf? My own best bookshelf is above the window in my office just 2 metres long with some of the better books, including two copies of David Weguelin's ERA History - probably the two most valuable books in my collection. They sit next to Doug Nye's BRM, 1 2 & 3. Autographed copies of various books pushes up their value, though the modern approach to book selling is for the author to have signed more copies than not, so the autographed book has little if any extra value - Jackie Stewart's or Murray Walker's for example, though Martin Brundle didn't visit here, but was active selling in the UK.

One gem I picked up from a secondhand bookshop was a book signed by Stirling Moss AND Mike Hailwood.

Graham Hill's autographed "Life At the Limit" may be worth a dollar or two more than an unsigned.

I still have to read "Hunt" (which I can hardly even lift!), and also looking forward to reading one of Santa's gifts this Christmas, Tony Brooks - "Poetry In Motion".

[Oldfart]

Mine has good numbers (600+) of all sorts. A few autographed, one by Moss, "My Favourite Motor Racing Stories", personally notated bok on the Pantera by Wallace Wyss, apparently the most valuable is the English language version of Orsinis "The Scuderia Ferrari" (which I had no idea had any value at all until perusing Eoin Youngs site) Most reffered to; Costin/Phipps Sports and Racing Car chassis design" and "High Speed Low Cost"

[Malcolm McLeod]

Dangerous subject to get me started on!!!!!
I only have a relatively modest collection - I have only just cracked the 500 mark - and in fact only recently decided to cut out buying some subjects, namely Indycar, and books by Christopher Hilton! Hasn't made much difference yet.....
Favourite Autobiography I have read would be "Starting Grid to Chequered Flag" by Paul Frere, best non-fiction book "To Finish First" by Phil Kerr (anybody that hasn't read this book should be shot!) - mine has an inscription from Emerson Fittipaldi in it, that's another story - best reference books, toss-up between my Autocourse annuals, "Grand Prix Who's Who", and Peter Higham's "Guinnes Guide to International Motor Racing".
As far as Marques go, toss-up between "The Works Escorts", Allan Scott's "TWR and Jaguar's XJS", and "Cosworth" (5th edition).
As far as Rallying goes, "A Boot Full of Right Arms" by Evan Green, although "Marathon in the Dust" by Innes Ireland comes really close!
Of course, my Bathurst and The Great Race annuals cover the Touring Cars sector, "Le Mans '59" by Stirling Moss covers Sports Cars, and as for art, well, I won't try and separate "Brockbank's Grand Prix", "Formula One" by Michael Turner, or "The Motorsport Art of Michael Turner.
Lastly (whew!) anyone who wants a good laugh needs Maurice O'Reilly's "A Series of Small Explosions", and "Journeys With Gelignite Jack" by Evan Green.
Of course there's another 450 books I should have mentioned.......

[Malcolm McLeod]

Should add - favorite author is Nigel Roebuck, although Maurice Hamilton, Doug Nye, & Graham Robson are also bloody good
The Complete History of Grand Prix Motor Racing, by Adriano Cimarosti and edited by our own David McKinney, and Doug Nye's Autocourse History of the Grand Prix Car would be my favourite Grand Prix books.
And anything discribing itself as the Ultimate, or Complete, encyclopedia of Formula One should not be touched with a 40 foot bargepole!!!!

[ERC]

Another great read is Tony Lanfranchi's "Down the Hatch" and an interesting read, "Back From The Brink" by Sir Michael Edwardes.

Totally agree with Malcolm about Michael Turner's, Brockbank's - and Maurice O'Reilly's hilarious book - and the Phil Kerr book. (Pity Maurice's proof reader's made so many mistakes though.)

Doug Nye's original book on the Donington Collection, (signed by Doug and Sir Bernard) is now a book that reminds me of what WAS in the collection...

Sadly, one or two books written about our local heroes have been a disappointment.

[Michael Clark]

I've a few books...but there is one that - gram for gram - has given me more joy than any other for over 40 years. It is here with me now - 'Racing Cars' is in gold on the spine of the small pale green book. I think once it had a cover but that is long since gone.

On the opening page in pencil is '$3.30', the price I paid in 1972 or 73, I suspect the latter, and then two pages later:

THE WORLD'S RACING CARS.

The author is M.L.Twite and this is the 'Fourth Edition: Completely Revised' - the first edition was in 1958, one of the greatest years, and I have the 1970 version. It covers all the racing cars from the world's (Britain's) major categories in 1969 - and I love it. There is:

Formula 1,2,3,USAC, F5000, FF, Can-Am, Group 3 GTs, Group 4 Sports Cars, Group 6 Prototypes, NASCARs and Saloon Cars. We have bores, strokes, compression ratios, heights, weights and widths - and so much more.

I'm not saying it is the best book I have - but it is easily the most leafed. By some margin!

[Oldfart]

Michael, mine is the 1964 version :) original price showing is 11/- then crossed out and 9/6d, then $1.90, so I guess I got it in 66 or 67. You are right a great wee book which has been used to "discuss" some controversies!
Formula 1, Formula Junior, Indy, Sports/Racing and Prototype. Grand Touring, Sports and Directory of Manufacturers.

[Michael Clark]

I have that one too O'f - but the one covering 1969 is the most extensive of those I've seen.

Why does the weight of an Astra RNR 1A matter all these years on, or the gearbox for the Ferrari 612, or the wheelbase of a Lotus 64? It doesn't - but I misplaced my little green book a few weeks ago, and was delighted when I found where I'd left it.

[Milan Fistonic]

The 1958 edition is different to the later editions in that it is titled The World's Racing Cars and Sports Cars and was written by Douglas Armstrong. It must have sold very well as my copy is a second impression published in January 1959.

I have a 1964 edition and a 1966 version that is labelled as: Third Edition : Completely Revised.

I paid $12 for the 1959 book, $1 for the 1964 and $7.70 for the 1966.

[Michael Clark]

Makes my $3.30 in 1973 from the bookshop at the Mangere Town Centre look pretty good!

[Milan Fistonic]

Makes my $3.30 in 1973 from the bookshop at the Mangere Town Centre look pretty good!


Before the internet you were able to find real bargains in second-hand book shops and book exchanges. I got a 1967 Autocourse for $3 a few years ago.

The internet has now reduced the value of a lot of books because the information they contain is now available on-line. Which is a shame for someone like me who has rather a lot of books.

[Oldfart]

Also the internet has made it possible for the little store in the wops to look up the Amazon price and charge that straight away. Bargains all gone. Boo Hoo.

[Malcolm McLeod]

Milan, it pays to keep an eye out in the Sallies Thrift Shops (damn it, there goes my competitive advantage!), I found an 1969 Autocourse annual at the Taupo one a few years ago for $2, although I said to them "you don't know what these go for these days" and gave them a fiver...

[Michael Clark]

Mrs Clark picked up a 1963 Automobile Year from a Carterton junk shop for $10 - I thought she'd done well...very well in fact...but I'll tell her a fiver is the new maximum.

[Oldfart]

Another well thumbed (been rebound at least once and needs it again) is Jenks "The Racing Car Pocketbook"

[John McKechnie]

This site may help -I have a small problem with some early70s motoring magazines that were on a bookshelf with a bottle of gearbox oil, this leaked and many mags have this oil on the pages-including Ron Sylvesters Monaro.
Question is- does anyone know what will clean oil off these paper magazines?

[Oldfart]

Just in case, with Ferrari Festival and a few enthusiasts on, I am selling my Scuderia Ferrari book on Trade Me.

[Roger Dowding]

Have posted this on Motoring and Motorsport Collector Fb page - Pete Dicks a Mate of mine in the UK, known each other since 1978 and first met in 1982 in the USA has this for sale - open to offers - if interested please make a comment here or PM me ..

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A photo of a Tourer

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[Ray Bell]

I have some of that kind of stuff...

But I reckon the prize book I have is A Boot Full of Right Arms by Evan Green. Both of my copies were obtained from charity shops and one of them was autographed by Green and was a review copy for a paper or magazine.

This is a book that you cannot put down, sheer drama pervades as it tells the story of the 1974 London to Munich Rally from the point of view of the crew which led the event as they headed into the Sahara Desert.

[ERC]

Thanks for bumping the thread!

I sold one of my two ERA books to Karin Ricketts, wife of Duncan Ricketts of ERA GP1 fame.

Enjoyed the Tony Brooks book and also the one on James Hunt.

This shelf may not be the most valuable, but I am a huge fan of all sorts of comedy (several shelves of cartoons - including Giles books - and comedy based books) and I have to say that both my wife and I have had a lot of laughs out of Jeremy Clarkson's writings.

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Once again I seem to have had a brain fade as I now have two copies of the hefty Robert Edwards book on Stirling Moss. I bought this latest one on the internet and lugged it back from England last year, not realising I already had one on the shelf.

[Kwaussie]

Gosh this is showing my age! - 'Motor Sport' Racing Car Review by Denis Jenkinson 1958 purchased from Technical Books 27 Victoria St. W. Auckland on 2/9/59 reduced from 12/3d to 4/6d. Placed in prominent position and often looked at!

[Roger Dowding]

Have mainly New Zealand Stuff, and several Austin Healey books plus a few from the USA on Sports Car Racing in the 1950's / 1980's ..
Have also recovered on behalf of Seaqnmac Volumes 1 to 22 of " Classic and Sports Car " magazine - his Uncle Gordon was a mechanic and spannerman fro Barry Vuyk and others when competing. Gordon is shifting and had to empty his Garage of them I also got a box of 1973 and 1977 newspaper style magazine called " Motoring News " a UK publication which I am going to go through them when I next visit Auckland
[ currently in storage in Auckland all seven banana size boxes - a lot of magazine - my Cousin will not be impressed as in his Mums house which he looks after - she is 99 and in a Rest Home - Una Dowding is the Wife of the Late " Eddie Dowding " [ 1919 - 2018 of NSCC fame ].

Back to the topic - some books /booklets - some have been published elsewhere on TRS but this seems the right place.

Not for Sale - The Sports Car Talk were given to me, as were some of the others -
[ just don't tell " Her Indoors " who is Outdoors at the moment with a friend walking.]

SCT 1984
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SCT 1986
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Steve Holmes currently has this for his new book - details of the Lycomings History

SCT 1989
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The Ginetta of the front cover ex Tony Herbert is now with Remi Rutkowski in France

A Book on Dunedin by Scott Thomson - copy from Spgeti, Bruce thanks again.
Front cover
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The back with Map of the circuit
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More to come on this not so nice afternoon - almost Beer O'clock and home alone At The Moment 4;25 pm NZDST..

[Roger Dowding]

The famous Book which our own the late David Mckinney did a lot of the work on
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Some others this from 1983
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and further back in time 1966
The reversed photo a Left Hand Drive Zephyr Corvette !!
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1967
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1967
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and finally 1973
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Have the " Waimate 50 " a present from Spgeti, again "Thanks Bruce " - apparently it came with two different coloured covers according to Milan Fistonic who has a different version. Must dig it out and scan the cover again as cannot find any images of it.

[Milan Fistonic]

Graham Vercoe also published these two 24-page booklets on the 1949 and 1950 seasons of NZ Motor Sport.

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[Roger Dowding]

Very American - this is for Ken H .. the Autumn 1981 [ August ] edition.

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Saw the Car at the Cunningham Museum, when it was still in existence in Costa Mesa LA California in July 1982.
The car still exists and an English guy called Derek Drinkwater has built a replica of " Le Monstre " and also the sister car " Le Petit Pataud "- the standard bodied 1950 Model 62 Cadillac.

Noticing the Title of the thread " .. - including your bookshelf " mine is rather small, and the magazines and booklets live in boxes in the garage, only seeing the light of day when I need to read up on " stuff ".

Interestingly Ken H, some of the photos in the magazine are from Hans Nohr .. presume he is still around - we lost touch.

[Roger Dowding]

Milan, thanks again for showing things [ photos books etc ] that I have and I am sure many others have never seen.

" Graham Vercoe also published these two 24-page booklets on the 1949 and 1950 seasons of NZ Motor Sport. "
Believe Graham now lives in Melbourne and has written some non-motoring books.
Those two " 1949 and 1950 " seasons on NZ Motor Sport - would be a great read.. Milan, are there any pictures of Seagrove, Manukau Circuit ?? would be interested.

Lastly my apology for ;
firstly, borrowing your image of the Radisich Humber - Zephyr on its side
and
secondly, for mis-crediting it on my copy of the photo posted on the Pukekohe thread.

[Roger Dowding]

ERC mentioned a few posts ago on this thread ;

Re ;" Once again I seem to have had a brain fade as I now have two copies of the hefty Robert Edwards book on Stirling Moss. I bought this latest one on the internet and lugged it back from England last year, not realising I already had one on the shelf. "

It is a weighty tome, I have acquired - at this stage " borrowed " the copy that my late Uncle Eddie Dowding owned. His family are not interested in it but can claim it back at any time.. !!

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Have other little Gems like Jim Clarks " At the Wheel " in paperback, A Doug Nye book on "Sports cars " autographed by my mate the late Walt Glendenning from California - he sent it to me after the Healey Trip USA 1982.

[Oldfart]

Very few of the many books I have on the shelf are pristine, but many quite rare now.
I have decided to cull the collection as I don't want to leave the task to those who will have to sort my mess sometime. How I'm going to do that I haven't decided, but there are in excess of 100!
Likewise I'm about to do the same in the garage, I did bring a fair bit of stuff over with me when we migrated, Autojumble it's called here.

[Remi110984]

Any recommendation on the Chula of Siam books about road racing in the 30s?
I want to buy one, but I don't know which one is of best interest.
I was about to buy the Wheels at Speed.

[Ray Bell]

Gil Bouffard reported on TNF that he had all of Chula's books ten years ago...

He lived in 'The Central Valley in California' if you'd like to chase him up. He hasn't posted on TNF in the past ten years.

[Frosty5]

ERC mentioned a few posts ago on this thread ;

Re ;" Once again I seem to have had a brain fade as I now have two copies of the hefty Robert Edwards book on Stirling Moss. I bought this latest one on the internet and lugged it back from England last year, not realising I already had one on the shelf. "

It is a weighty tome, I have acquired - at this stage " borrowed " the copy that my late Uncle Eddie Dowding owned. His family are not interested in it but can claim it back at any time.. !!

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Have other little Gems like Jim Clarks " At the Wheel " in paperback, A Doug Nye book on "Sports cars " autographed by my mate the late Walt Glendenning from California - he sent it to me after the Healey Trip USA 1982.

Hi Roger, do you know if this book on Stirling Moss is still available.
Regards
Dave Graham

[ERC]

I have two copies! It must still be available as I only bought my second copy last year. More than happy to sell one at the normal price.

[Roger Dowding]

I have two copies! It must still be available as I only bought my second copy last year. More than happy to sell one at the normal price.

ERC as you mentioned got one then another as the other was tucked away .. sell one to Frosty 5 DG .. .
. as mentioned mine is a "Borrow " I do that a bit ..

Not Moss ..
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and my 2000th post !! must spend too much time here !!
mind you ERC is on 3227.. work to do !!

[Frosty5]

Hi ray have sent you a PM.
Cheers Dave

[Remi110984]

Allright, now I need time to read. Anyone has a good cover for wheels at speed and Road racing, to send me a scan copy ? Thanks !61470

[Roger Dowding]

Allright, now I need time to read. Anyone has a good cover for wheels at speed and Road racing, to send me a scan copy ? Thanks !61470

Remi, What a good score..enjoy !!

[ERC]

I curse the fact that my Dad had those plus one or two others from that period and I should have grabbed them when I went to the UK for his funeral. I never thought for one minute that they'd let them go to a clearance dealer along with all Dad's other books. I'm just grateful they saved the copy of the ERA History I'd bought him.

[Roger Dowding]

I curse the fact that my Dad had those plus one or two others from that period and I should have grabbed them when I went to the UK for his funeral. I never thought for one minute that they'd let them go to a clearance dealer along with all Dad's other books. I'm just grateful they saved the copy of the ERA History I'd bought him.

Ray, yes one of those things that can happen.
I don't have anything of great history, but should make sure that what I do have, Books, Models, Programmes and other Memorabilia is documented, and who should get them.
Have a list of all my Models, but not books and all the " stuff " that sits in boxes in my garage.
Another job to go on the list.
** " H I "- Arthur ' Arfur ' Daley [ George Cole ] wife or " S W M B O " Rumpole of the Bailey [ Leo McKern ] wife - see the stuff as hoarding, I see it as History.

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** Translations " Her Indoors " " She Who Must Be Obeyed "

[Roger Dowding]

Got a set of these sent to me back in 1965 while still at school at Kelston Boys High in Auckland, from the UK Alfa Agents -got the address from the
" Observers Book of Automobiles " and wrote to quite a few agents Alfa, Renault Rover BMW and others.

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Spgeti's favourite cars ..

[John McKechnie]

In all my years on this earth, the only unfathomable book I came across was- Aristotles Metaphysics with Analysis..
Recently I have been given a book that equals it...Weber Carburettors by John Pissini.
A challenging book and all I can say is just pay someone to make your Webers perform better.
Life is too short to get into this book from 1968,- V8s didnt exist then apparently- unless you are into Anglias, Healeys and Italian cars

[Oldfart]

In all my years on this earth, the only unfathomable book I came across was- Aristotles Metaphysics with Analysis..
Recently I have been given a book that equals it...Weber Carburettors by John Pissini.
A challenging book and all I can say is just pay someone to make your Webers perform better.
Life is too short to get into this book from 1968,- V8s didnt exist then apparently- unless you are into Anglias, Healeys and Italian cars
Is that why Murray can charge so much? He is a wizard with the Webers though.The book was written for Poms!I have copies of both the basic and next more complex, anybody need them?

[Remi110984]

I'd fancy one of those. You have a message Oldfart

[Roger Dowding]

A card on the Austin Healey 100S was posted on a Fb page " Austin Healey 100S " some time ago by Paul O'Neill - Paul has the whole set of 24 cards which he recently got out and photographed;

Here is the entire set - the AH 100S was number 19.
Must have been a 1950's set ;

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Close up of the Austin Healey and the details on the back.

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Many of the cars pictured were seen in New Zealand in the 1950's / 60's ..:cool:

I remember and collected those Castrol Motorsport Year Booklets back in the 1960's - sadly all gone - with the number of house moves over the years [ around 12 ] and the " giving away " of a lot of stuff, I now have only two big boxes of books brochures etc, about 4 boxes of photo's 10 large boxes of Scale Models not forgetting the Seven Boxes of Magazines that I rescued for seaqnmac from his Uncle.
They need to be sorted mainly Classic and Sports car Vols 1 to 22 in 6 boxes and another box of a UK newspaper style motoring publication from the 1970's.
However as " ERC " and others have mentioned on TRS and elsewhere - you collect it, and no one else in the family is really interested where does it all go !! when you Go >> ..

[Trevor Sheffield]

[QUOTE=Roger Dowding;
However as " ERC " and others have mentioned on TRS and elsewhere - you collect it, and no one else in the family is really interested where does it all go !! when you Go >> ..[/QUOTE]

This applies to all the stuff collected by the late Ralph Watson, as I have previously mentioned without receiving any response. :-(

[Roger Dowding]

This applies to all the stuff collected by the late Ralph Watson, as I have previously mentioned without receiving any response. :-(

Trevor yes, It is hard to deal with - Ralph would have some fascinating things I am sure - photos etc are easy can be scanned, but other things take space and as we get older we downsize -
My own experience - 1994 - 25 years ago owned a large house with double garage a carport and had 3 to 4 cars at any one time.
The garage held a lot of tools and car spares,books magazines and other stuff - out of the way of family.
Now small house, single garage, two cars, one of which lives 200km away in Auckland and gets used every couple of months.

I daren't take on any more " stuff " really but do get the odd item - have to deal with all those boxes soon !!

** and today indicated would take some NZ Classic Car mags -
see how it goes !! storage is the issue for most of us !!

[Paul B]

Love the cards Roger.
Fantastic to see, thanks for posting them up.

It is a shame with a lot of the collections needing to be re homed, I usually collect by sight and it is hard sometimes to do this unseen.
And then there is the space issue, as Roger has said. I am also mindful of this. Don't have and answer for this sadly.
Cheers

[Roger Dowding]

The Motoring Books -

The Austin Healey and BMC books

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The Moss [ a borrow ] Brooklands, Le Mans series and the US collection
In the cardboard cartons are the Vintage Motorsport collection " The Specials " and the big one is the Corvette Book by Dick Guldstrand - self published and marketed - mine I got around 2003 and it arrived in a US Postal Service Mail Sack with a lock on it - I wrote back and said did they want and was " keep it '.

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and the New Zealand collection - two of which I contributed to, too !!

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Many that I like, so no favourites really.
Hope you don't get a crick in your neck reading the titles

Missing is the Trevor Sheffield - self published " Ralph Watson - Special Engineer " as I am reading it at the moment.

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Hopefully there is a gap for it !!

[ERC]

Is anyone interested in accepting a gift of most NZ Classic Car, magazines from the early days up to about three years ago when I stopped buying it?

[Roger Dowding]

Is anyone interested in accepting a gift of most NZ Classic Car, magazines from the early days up to about three years ago when I stopped buying it?

Ray yes I would - can collect when next in Auckland - have kept a few but mainly recent ones [ with all my house shifts " Her Indoors " wanted them gone.. Cheers

Roger

[ERC]

Thanks Roger. We are away Dec 11th to 27th, but any time is OK. My wife will be SO impressed... Now I have to address the rest of the stacks. Most are worth selling - or donating to a worthy cause if unsold. Chaindrive may be interested in some old model car magazines.

[Roger Dowding]

Thanks Roger. We are away Dec 11th to 27th, but any time is OK. My wife will be SO impressed... Now I have to address the rest of the stacks. Most are worth selling - or donating to a worthy cause if unsold. Chaindrive may be interested in some old model car magazines.

Doing the maths guess it is around 300 magazines all up that's quite a few boxes !!.
Will keep in touch,
Cheers

Roger

[ERC]

"Alf Francis - Racing Mechanic".

I have a my own copy of the 'Motoring Book Club' edition, but found a hard copy of the original in one of the local charity shops yesterday. No dust jacket, a little faded, but otherwise OK. I'd already bought three books and with a kilo of monk fish and a 1.5km walk home ahead, no shopping bag, didn't want to carry any more.

A great book as I remember, when race mechanics had it really tough.

If anyone is interested ($7), I'll grab it - but be quick.

[Remi110984]

If still available, I'd be interested. I'll pay the shipping to France.
I never find this kind of gems in charity stores in France!

[ERC]

OK Remi. Got it for you! Email me your address and I'll also put the Ginetta pics onto a memory card for you. Can't do anything much for a week until I get the PC returned. If there are any other makes/models you are interested in, just let me know. Will be easy enough to stick them on.

[Roger Dowding]

NZ Classic Driver due out in Late September - early October will be the first of the quarterly editions as compared to bi-monthly until now.

In the Issue will be the story of the Telecom Classic Motorfest events of 1993 and 1994 - The article has been written by Laurie Brenssell - who was the Chairman of the organising committee.

Covers from the 1993 and 1994 Programmes; Images from Laurie's archives - I have other copies of both, one from Remi who owns the Tony Herbert Ginetta that raced there in 1994

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" POWER and the GLORY " indeed.

[jellywrestler]

NZ Classic Driver due out in Late September - early October will be the first of the quarterly editions as compared to bi-monthly until now.

In the Issue will be the story of the Telecom Classic Motorfest events of 1993 and 1994 - The article has been written by Laurie Brenssell - who was the Chairman of the organising committee.

Covers from the 1993 and 1994 Programmes; Images from Laurie's archives - I have other copies of both, one from Remi who owns the Tony Herbert Ginetta that raced there in 1994

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" POWER and the GLORY " indeed.

I knew this ran one year, but not two. Was the circuit the same both years and did they run bikes both years please?

[Roger Dowding]

I knew this ran one year, but not two. Was the circuit the same both years and did they run bikes both years please?

Circuit the same - and cars only Mate, the full entry lists on the " Telecom Classic " thread - the V8's used a lot of the Circuit.. will find a Map - now a " Lost Track " too ..

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[Milan Fistonic]

I knew this ran one year, but not two. Was the circuit the same both years and did they run bikes both years please?

According to the programmes:

In 1993 there were two 5-lap Motorcycle Demonstrations.

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In 1994 the was a race on Saturday and two races on Sunday.

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[Roger Dowding]

I knew this ran one year, but not two. Was the circuit the same both years and did they run bikes both years please?

According to the programmes:

In 1993 there were two 5-lap Motorcycle Demonstrations.

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In 1994 the was a race on Saturday and two races on Sunday.

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My oops again Milan, I do not remember the Motorcycles - should read my own archives !!

[Ray Bell]

The local Vintage Car Club has been purging the pile of books in its library, they have an abundance and I picked up this one:

https://i.postimg.cc/pLPSQpwV/0320hermanlangbook.jpg

[Roger Dowding]

Good score Ray Bell - cheers

[Ray Bell]

An interesting read, too...

[ERC]

I have started on a bit of a clear out.

This set of books really is excellent.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=2586380058

Check out my other listings for 3 Bburago model kits.

[Roger Dowding]

With " jellywrestler " posting / enquiring about Waiheke on Lost Tracks and the story / history of the New Zealand Tourist Trophy races,

Raced at Waiheke 1931 - 1950, moved to Seagrove, Manukau, then to Mangere [ where ? ] Ardmore in 1962 and eventually to Pukekohe in 1963.

Made me get out the Rhys Jones book - for some information - so now having a a full re-read.
published in 2008 by Phantom House - a Wellington Publishers..
Rhys being a Motorcycle Guy focuses a lot on the " Marlboro Series " but covers Saloons, the GroupA B and H and also Formula 5000 at one stage the Grand Prix category.

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Rhys writes

" ... the motorcycle fraternity, and their premier event the New Zealand T.T ( Tourist Trophy ) so named in deference to the Isle of Man T.T - were on course for the same destination [ Pukekohe ] " Italics mine.

[jellywrestler]

With " jellywrestler " posting / enquiring about Waiheke on Lost Tracks and the story / history of the New Zealand Tourist Trophy races,

Raced at Waiheke 1931 - 1950, moved to Seagrove, Manukau, then to Mangere [ where ? ] Ardmore in 1962 and eventually to Pukekohe in 1963.

Made me get out the Rhys Jones book - for some information - so now having a a full re-read.
published in 2008 by Phantom House - a Wellington Publishers..
Rhys being a Motorcycle Guy focuses a lot on the " Marlboro Series " but covers Saloons, the GroupA B and H and also Formula 5000 at one stage the Grand Prix category.

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Rhys writes

" ... the motorcycle fraternity, and their premier event the New Zealand T.T ( Tourist Trophy ) so named in deference to the Isle of Man T.T - were on course for the same destination [ Pukekohe ] " Italics mine. dunno where the manukau came from, it went from seagrove to mangere, Ihumatoa area, tried to do a lap when in auckland last year and it was barricaded off, stopped just for a look and had my notes out and a large unfriendly person told me to eff off, when i said i was just looking at an old motorcycle race track he went to the next level telling me 'you journalists' i'm not a journalist, just a hobby writing, his poor daughter was in the car trying to get her dad to see sense, i was out of there as soon as i could....

[Roger Dowding]

jellywrestler bloody comma should have read " Seagrove Manukau, Mangere " ..
[ lots of people don't know where it ( Seagrove ) was ].
My oops..
Your further comment tried to do a lap ..etc .. pity the Mangere Natives are so restless ..

[Allan]

It's not that long ago that you could see the shape of Seagrove from the air.

[Roger Dowding]

It's not that long ago that you could see the shape of Seagrove from the air.

Allan, yes - I looked at Google yesterday and very hard to define - the track was at the end of Seagrove Road which is now a farm.
The area described as Seagrove - next to Waiuau Pa.
In 1990 I took the Austin Healey Club on a run during the Annual Rally around a group of Motorsport venues in South Auckland /Franklin which included a visit to the end of Seagrove Road, [ not much to see even then ] and as luck would have as we returned to Pukekohe East to the Motel the entry gates at Pukekohe were open so we drove down to the area by the Tote building [ now demolished ] and the track gate was open, so .. after a very brief discussion - and a couple of rules don't go to fast and DO NOT PASS I led the whole group on an unofficial lap of the track, then we quietly drove out again. For many there only time ever on the track

[Oldfart]

It always was a farm at Seagrove, as were Waharoa and Raglan and others originally, "acquired" during the war as an airfield. When I went out there sometime in the 80's we went and asked the farmer if we could take a walk, to which he agreed. Many of the hexagonal concrete slabs were still in place, and being used for feed out areas, and parking farm machinery. It wasn't hard to figure the circuit and the way the airfield had been laid out.

[Remi110984]

Readings for the lockout.
A lot more waiting, but these ones are my choices for the month.

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[Roger Dowding]

I am re-reading some old Magazines - Sports Car World - from Australia 1961 - 1964 a few random copies that I was given.
- including this one.

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Grant Howard was their New Zealand correspondent .

[Roger Dowding]

In 2011 to celebrate Lakeside 50 years 1961 - 2011 - they ran a series of Special Events - apart from the usual series of meetings.
In April May July and August there were special themed meetings around the various classes of Classic / Historic Racing.

Moved to Queensland, Bribie Island in the May - only 40 minutes from Kurwongbah where the track is located.
- Missed the first two meetings but got to the last two, July August. got the Programmes and bought the 50th Anniversary Cap - which has a Racing Car embroidered in the shape of the Track

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Nearly up to the 60th Anniversary now, and may get there as this years trip - which should have been starting tomorrow is cancelled.

[Ray Bell]

You don't happen to have the May 1962 issue of Sports Car World do you, Roger?

Looking for details from the Sandown Park International report in that...

[Roger Dowding]

You don't happen to have the May 1962 issue of Sports Car World do you, Roger?

Looking for details from the Sandown Park International report in that...

Ray Bell, looking in the box - " the box " is what BMC BOY sent the magazines in to me, the answer is No.
Sports Car World issues I have are
1960 - November
1961 - April, May July [ '61- Cover below '], September, October, November
1963 - June
1964 - March and April
1965 - September
1967 - September
1968 - October .

The other Australian Magazine is " Australian Motor Racing Annual - 1971 ".

Will scratch around though, as when this Country re-opens, will get to the " Greerton Vintage Fayre " and other local events and scour the " Op Shops " and " Secondhand Book Shops ".

Listed the issues in case others are looking for information

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[Milan Fistonic]

Ray. Sandown report from SCW May 1962. I have a full set of Sports Car Worlds if you need any any other information from them.

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[Roger Dowding]

Ray. Sandown report from SCW May 1962. I have a full set of Sports Car Worlds if you need any any other information from them.

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Brilliant, Milan, thanks for that detail

Just realised that the images have gone - the Site no doubt.

[Ray Bell]

Milan, that would be great if you could send them to me...

r@ybell.net

[Barrie]

I have just gone through my library and was a astounded at what I did have. Here are a few:

The Bruce McLaren Scrapbook by Jan McLaren & Richard Becht
Kiwi Bike Culture by Steve Holmes
Burt Munro – A Scrapbook of his life
The Vintage Years at Brooklands by Dr Joseph Bayley
Full Throttle by Sir Henry Birkin
Dick Seaman by HRH Prince Chula Chakkabongse
Motor Racing Facts and Figures by Rodney L Walkerley
McLaren Memories by Eoin Young
When the Flag Drops by Jack Brabham with Elizabeth Hayward
In the Track of Speed by Stirling Moss
Bruce McLaren, The Man and his Racing Team by Eoin Young
The Motorsport Photography of Terry Marshall
Classic Motorcycles – Norton by Don Morley
Zephyrs & Zodiacs by Tim Chadwick
Legends on Two Wheels by Rhys Jones
Saloon Motorsport in New Zealand by Tim Chadwick

[ERC]

I have just gone through my library and was a astounded at what I did have. Here are a few:
Full Throttle by Sir Henry Birkin
Dick Seaman by HRH Prince Chula Chakkabongse Two of the books on Dad's smallest bookshelf alongside his lounge chair. Sadly, when I went over for his funeral, I never grabbed them, and should have done. They probably got grabbed along with about 800 other books when they started clearing some of the house.

[Roger Dowding]

Guys, I am looking for this book, by Dick Messenger and Doug Woods.
Have had offers of a couple one signed one not, but thought would ask on here in case someone has a surplus to requirements copy - $50 ish or so - plus would pay postage !!

" Flat To The Boards A History of Motor Car Sport in New Zealand From 1901 to 1940
Messenger A R E, Wood Douglas E
Published by Craig Printing Co. Ltd., New Zealand, 1985 "

This is Michael Nidd the artists original Artwork

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PM me if interested in selling

Cheers

Roger

[Roger Dowding]

A recent acquisition - Details all components for the many British Cars, Motorcycles and Trucks that Jospeh Lucas supplied - a gem for wanting part numbers for bulbs relays light fittings brake components et al.

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[Roger Dowding]

John Stokes published the first book in 2017 and now Volume 11 is out;
Have borrowed both through our Library
- had read " Putting the Car before the Horse " before -

The second book - Volume Two " Driving Ahead - 1936 to 1977 ".

Both are well illustrated.

The covers

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Inside - Volume just has a Title page , Volume two a double photo.

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[hotrod1]

How many books is too many? I might have a problem.702207022170222702237022470225

[hotrod1]

large problem ?7022670227702287022970230

[Roger Dowding]

Hotrod1, Bruce,
Nahh - just build stronger shelves - You have a few that I have - the Vercoe Books,Sandy Myrhe's etc ..
Cheers
Roger

[ERC]

#84 - Shelsey Walsh, Bira etc. This could almost have been my Dad's bookshelf! Unlike the rest of his extensive collection of books, these resided on a small shelf alongside his favourite chair, so I was a regular browser though I must confess to never having read them.

Great collection though - and a surprising number could also be found on my shelves.

These are on the shelf above my office window. Safe from UV light - and reflected sunlight. Taken exactly four years ago, so one copy of ERA has gone.



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[hotrod1]

ERC thanks for sharing there are lots I have not got in your pics so I'm back on the hunt. the fun of the chase is as good as the reading. its sad that a lot of the older books I am finding come with the offer of others from deceased estates I guess we are all getting older.

[ERC]

Many of mine are for sale hotrod, as I know darn well the family won't be bothered listing them, even though some are autographed, some quite rare. I estimated the value of just those pictured to be worth a bob or two. Several other shelves full.

One of the more recent additions, (not pictured) 'Poetry in Motion - Tony Brooks' seems to have dramatically increased in value already. On another shelf, Miles Wilkins book on fibreglass and a Brockbank book, also seem to be selling for far more than I would have estimated.

[KWMartin]

Hi hotrod1. Can you check your PM's please. I have sent you a message. Cheers. Kirk

[Roger Dowding]

Recent additions to my Bookshelf - or Box-file or somewhere;

Recently acquired some Pukekohe Race Meeting programmes from the 1960's and other items including these ;

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The Blue Booklet was issued by Weltex [ Bob Blackburn ] who first gained the rights to make the Microplas "Mistral " body and chassis.
The Booklet has the screw type fitting so it can be taken apart and more pages added.
Later Emslie and Flockton of Dunedin took over the manufacture of Mistral cars.

Line drawing from the Brochure.

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Weltex also offered Speed Equipment from Sheppards - including these Inlet Manifolds.

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The Mistral in the photo on the Emslie and Flockton brochure has 1956 - 1961 number plate.

[Roger Dowding]

The Bruce McLaren book " From the Cockpit " has been re-published with a " preface " from Amanda McLaren. originally published in 1964.

The Ford Book " ... of Competition Motoring " dates from 1965 - Edited by Jim Clark and Alan Brinton, who contribute a chapter each, as does Bruce McLaren - one on Le Mans.

" Classic Racer " by Eoin Young - was purchased when published back in 2003 and includes a Chapter on Bruce McLaren.

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Contents pages from the last two books.

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Not a book but a Motorsport in Miniature .. A good condition Dinky Model Cooper Bristol race number 6.

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The real model - my rather worn version, It was a 1954 Dinky issue but has tyres acquired in the late 1990's.
The model was found in a gutter on a road in Hamilton by my Grandson in the early 1990's Grandson is now in his 30's and left it in my care many years ago .. [ should it go on your thread "Chaindrive " ??

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[Greg Stokes]

Guys, I am looking for this book, by Dick Messenger and Doug Woods.
Have had offers of a couple one signed one not, but thought would ask on here in case someone has a surplus to requirements copy - $50 ish or so - plus would pay postage !!

" Flat To The Boards A History of Motor Car Sport in New Zealand From 1901 to 1940
Messenger A R E, Wood Douglas E
Published by Craig Printing Co. Ltd., New Zealand, 1985 "

This is Michael Nidd the artists original Artwork

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PM me if interested in selling

Cheers

Roger

Roger,
That looks like an interesting book. I read elsewhere about the Miller Indy car which didnt race at Indy but made it here to NZ. I understand its in Australia now - that would be a GREAT book
Regards,
Greg

[Trevor Sheffield]

"Specials" by john Bolster, Second edition 1950, raised my enthusiasm towards building my first car. It includes some very hairy and interesting prewar cars. Does anyone else have a copy of this very interesting publication ?

[Roger Dowding]

Roger,
That looks like an interesting book. I read elsewhere about the Miller Indy car which didnt race at Indy but made it here to NZ. I understand its in Australia now - that would be a GREAT book
Regards,
Greg

Greg Stokes .. after some time from that post I got a copy from " hotrod1 " Bruce B who lives in Waimate at a very reasonable price.
When I read I was pleased to see some mention of my Uncle " Jack Boot " a founding member and on the first committee of Northern Sports Car Club back in July 1943 .
. I never met him but he was married to another Uncles [ my Dads brother ] wifes Sister, Sadly Jack passed away in early 1945.
The " another Uncle " Eddie Dowding was one of the reason I was so interested in cars when very young.. and 75 years later I still am ..

[Roger Dowding]

Checking this photo from Bruce " hotrod1 " I saw this ....

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A front engined, looks German, Clockwork Tinplate Racer -

Have had this - re-creation by Schuco of their original 1950's series - this one believe made in the early 1980's.
A rear engined, German, Clockwork Tinplate Racer an Auto - Union..

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[hotrod1]

Hi Roger the Schuco racer in the pic from my post is a modern reproduction but I recently managed to get hold of a John Player special F1 model car from 1973 it is a AM radio they sold them through adds in Playboy magazine at the time and I could not resist it when it came up for sale another recent purchase is the tin plate Porsche from about the same era. I am not a toy car collector but if it is a little oddball or just plane cool I cant resist the urge to add to my collection.74607746087460974610

[Speedsports]

Around the tender age of fifteen, after reading 'The Racing Car' by Denis Jenkinson & Cecil Clutton and thinking it was such a fantastic read and wondering if there were any more like that... Today, my motoring library is rather extensive at upwards of 8,000 titles. I particularly like signed copies and over the years rarely attended an event without a backpack containing a few books about drivers attending. Have around 1200 or so duplicate copies, if anyone might be looking for an instant motoring library.

[ERC]

Cripes! 8,000 titles is almost due a National Collection status!

[jellywrestler]

Around the tender age of fifteen, after reading 'The Racing Car' by Denis Jenkinson & Cecil Clutton and thinking it was such a fantastic read and wondering if there were any more like that... Today, my motoring library is rather extensive at upwards of 8,000 titles. I particularly like signed copies and over the years rarely attended an event without a backpack containing a few books about drivers attending. Have around 1200 or so duplicate copies, if anyone might be looking for an instant motoring library.

where are you? It won't be easy to place but at least it could start someone on a journey like yours. I am focusing on New Zealand Motorcycle racing books and enjoying hunting them down, I have limited my search as that's my interest so i'm collecting to use and read for research, not just collecting for collecting sake. I've seen people go down that rabbit hole and prefer not to go there.

[Roger Dowding]

Have had the 1967 Edition since it was first published, and in 2022 I was given the 1963 - 1967 Editions by a friend of the Family.
Actually my Cousin John Dowding's real Brother. Peter Webb.

More recently my Cousins Neighbour Rex Corbett gave me the full set 1963 - 1972, and I have the 1973 Edition which was in a different format.

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If anyone on TRS would like the now spare set of the 1963 to 1967 Books please PM me or comment on here.
Available for the cost of the Postage / Courier of around $10.00.

Not the best of images as done on my phone back in January this year.

Both sets came to me via the Family House in Moore Street where the MX5 lived until last Friday - as noted on the Mazda MX5 thread.

[Roger Dowding]

Not on the Shelf but in a plastic bag with the Shell Books and others.

Another gift from the families neighbour in Hillcrest, Auckland.

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A bit of interest in the Jim Richards Marina, GC2 - one of two - the other driven by Dauntsey Teagle GC1 and the two Mini Clubman of Andrew Cowan GC3 - the winner and Angus Hyslop GC4. The NZ Motor Corp Team.

More to come but on which thread ??

[Roger Dowding]

An addition to my collection, a story by Richard Pape a World War 11 - hero, who wrote the book " Boldness be my Friend " about his POW and Escape episodes
- A true story ! - well, with great embellishment.

That style of writing is in this book too! According to reviews at the time.
So taken with a grain of salt - a big adventure in a 1955 Austin A90 - Six, using the same basic motor as an Austin Healey 100 Six.

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The car, well a version of it, he crashed the first UK supplied A90 in Norway and the Norwegian Austin dealers supplied a second car hence the Norwegian number plates, that car was also badly damaged at times in the adventure.

This is what is represented as the " Cape Cold to Cape Hot " Austin A 90 - 6 ".
As displayed in the British Motor Museum.

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More photos of the car are on the Austin Healey thread

[Roger Dowding]

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Have now read the book, quite an adventure - the story a bit hard to follow at times - great details of certain events and then he seems to be in a hurry to finish a chapter and skips over portions of the drive, especially when in Southern Africa, Rhodesia down to South Africa itself.

As shown in other photos the car is now restored and sits in a Museum alongside other BMC Austin cars.

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[Roger Dowding]

Sir Stirling Moss, 17th September 1929 to 12th April 2020.

On my Bookshelf is a copy of the Authorised " Moss " Biography that my Late Uncle Ed [ Eddie ] Dowding of NSCC fame had.
It is in my Library as " Custodian " for his son my Cousin.

Recently there was a Service in London [ 8th May ] for Sir Stirling Moss.

The Book ;

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The Commemoration of the great Man.

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Was too young to see Mr S Moss race in New Zealand as didn't get to a motor race until October 1965.
Did he race at the Grand Prix in January 1966 - would need to check ? Do not have the Programme for that event.
However, did get to see him at he Ardmore Reunion Meeting in January 1989.

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This little Gem has just appeared, a photo of S Moss with wife Katie in 1958 [ 17th September ], just a big kid.

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[Roger Dowding]

Prompted to get into the " Archives " - a.k.a the Boxes in the garage as their was some photos of an Apollo GT and American car - styled in Italy with an American V8 engine - stated to be from the 1960s'

The images came from Pieter Nauta - it is on one image ;

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Remembered the name and that in my Collection is the November 1963 issue of Road and Track that had an article on the Reventlow Scarab and a Road Test of an Apollo GT - Buick engined Coupe.
The Buick Motor is the 215 ci - 3524 cc Alloy V8. well known in the UK - as noted below.
A very different Car from around the same time ;

The Cover - with the Scarab.

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The article - four pages, including the Road and Track Specification and Performance page - a layout which I like.

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The Data page;

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The engine is the one adopted/adapted by Rover in the mid 1960's to go into the Rover P5 B and the later P6 B and SD1, as well as the Range Rover, Land Rover V8 and even into the Morgan Plus Eight.

The only other " Road and Track " I still have is the August 1980 issue - which has a Road Test of the Morgan Plus Eight - with Turbo - using the same 215 ci 3522 [ 3528 in some notes ] V8 engine that came from Buick.

[Roger Dowding]

A couple more items for the archives arrived today - unexpectedly - had a note from Allan [ Allan Cameron ] on TRS that some " stuff " was in the post - it arrived later in the day.

" The Motor " Road Test Annual from 1962
- includes an Austin A40 Farina - Saloon,
I had the same in the Countryman version lift up back window and separate boot lid, the Saloon only had the boot lid.
- test for the MG Midget - had the AH Sprite - two of them from 1965 and 1966 similar car except for 1098cc Motor and Windup Windows.
- test for a Triumph TR4 had the later model the TR4A a 1967 model - last in the 4 cylinder series.

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The list of cars tested;

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Also included in the Post was the Programme for the 1981 Benson and Hedges Saloon Car Classic at Pukekohe Nov 14 1981.
Has details of the Baypark 25th October and Manfield 1st November events, a 3 race series

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John Windelburn and Shayne were in the Holden Statesman De Ville - 5004 cc - probably the biggest car body wise in the event although a Ford Fairmont Ghia - 4983 cc - was entered by Steve Midgely of Dargaville and Sid Going of Maromaku.

Also entered was Derek Armitage and Allan Cameron.
in a Fiat 131R.

There were also a couple of DVD's " Grand Prix " the James Garner movie and " Peter Brock the Legend - 35 years on the Mountain.

Thanks " Allan ".

[Allan]

Unfortunately the deal for the B & H drive fell through so the car was withdrawn.

[Roger Dowding]

Unfortunately the deal for the B & H drive fell through so the car was withdrawn.

That is a pity, but you are still in the Programme !.

Thanks again Allan.

PS, must take better photos / scans of the Book Programme and some pages - the above Post #106 done on my phone.

[Roger Dowding]

English papers the " Daily Mail " and the " Daily Express " used to produce a Book large booklet style at the time of the London Motor Show at Earls Court and I used to collect one or the other in the 1960's - gave them all away.
John Vevers who is an Austin Man, Austin 3 Litre and MG Man too MGC recently scored a few from the 1960's at the VCC gathering at Rotorua, the big Swapmeet.

This is the cover of one which brought back memories,
He also got a couple of Motor and Autocar Road Test Annuals form the mid 1960's a bit like the one posted recently.

Here is the " Motor Show " Booklet, - one of the ones acquired.

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[jellywrestler]

I didn't get to that swapmeet, it's about 6 hours from home and weather dependant sadly, and with the current cost of motion lotion just a bit too far.

[Roger Dowding]

Back in 1971 Sanitarium [ Weetbix for me ] issued a set of 12 New Zealand Hot Rod Cards - the photos were apparently taken at " Autorama " in Christchurch in 1970.

Recently a copy of a card that I do not have appeared on the " Autorama 1968 - 69 - 70 " Facebook group.

These are the 9 cars I have ;

Have filled the gaps with the details of some of the cars shown. They are in order of issue 1 to 12.

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Have 5 in duplicate - these ones [ and one I have 3 of ].

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Wondering if any one wants to either swap or just post the image - front and back of cards number 5, 7, and 11

One of the missing cards but which one of the 3.

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[Roger Dowding]

Had several of these from the early mid 1960's 1963 to about 1967.
Digby Paape - one of Godfrey Paape's Motoring sons has several - For Sale on Trade Me.

Remember the one with the Big Healey painting on the Cover.

His selection ;

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Image of a Record Breaking Triumph TR2 - think this was on Jabbeke Highway in Belgium - used by many British Car makes including Donald Healey, and Norman Dewis from Jaguar Around the time - early 1950's

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A New Zealand connection in one of his books - a Castrol one. The ' Stanton " Cropduster " Special ' with the modified locally made " Mistral " body.

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Aston Martins with history ;

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got my " e " before my " i " on the photos - oops. Just noticed.

[Allan]

I'm sorry to hijack your thread Roger but can somebody tell me if this is the last post on here. Seems a long time to me.
Regards
Allan

[928]

as far as I can tell roger's post is the most up to date one. shame good forum with lots of good info

[Roger Dowding]

I'm sorry to hijack your thread Roger but can somebody tell me if this is the last post on here. Seems a long time to me.
Regards
Allan

Allan, the Forum is quiet at the moment, and on 30 July ERC, Ray, wrote this " Last post for a while. ", he is in England, apparently.

Need a few guys to put up some stuff !.

Just reading he latest " New Zealand Memories " Magazine, from our local Library - Issue 169 Aug-Sep 2024 and there is an article by a John Grant who was into Car Trialling in the 1950's and 1960' in cars such as a Standard 10 - he had an MG TC at one time, a Peugeot 203 and later a " PUG " 403 - Attending Trials in the Hawkes Bay - the Blossom Rally, the South Island and Auckland Car Club events in Auckland. - worth a read.
Am looking at some of the details to see if I have " collected - borrowed " any photos.

John Grant mentions some top crews " Doug Benefield - navigator, Blair Robson - driver and Neil Kennedy - timekeeper ", also " Another top crew were John Rolfe and his two brothers in a Standard 10 "- indeed, John Rolfe with his mate Rhys Thompson and their wives won the NSCC 1965 Castrol Trial, that had several staring points [ according to Motorman ] and finished at Pukekohe Circuit.

The Castrol Advert - after the trial [ is on the NSCC thread ].

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928 , yes things are quiet, just hoping that Steve renews the licence from " vBulletin " next year too ! He nearly let it lapse this year.

[ERC]

For any message board to survive, it does need contributors, not just viewers. I think Steve was almost reluctant to renew the hosting fees this year and I got the impression that he might not renew it next year. So 'Be Prepared'.

I haven't added many books to my own collection recently and I'm at an age where I seriously need to declutter, just to make life easier for those who will have to deal with my passing.

I really do need to shift, preferably sell, a massive collection of mainly classic car magazines, some going back 50 years. 'Thoroughbred & Classic' started September 1973 and I have most issues. 'Classic & Sports Car' and 'Octane' plus 'Practical Classics', form the bulk, but I dropped off 'T & C' a year or two ago and have just let my 'Octane' subscription lapse. I'm still a year behind with the reading!

I dumped the NZ Classic Car magazines on Roger as I didn't consider them worth keeping.

At Goodwood in a few weeks' time, I may succumb to a purchase, but maybe not. We'll see.

The car books I've listed on a spreadsheet and put on an approximate value as I know that whoever clears my stuff will have no idea of values. Tony Brooks 'Poetry in Motion' for example, a fairly recent book, is selling for way above its original price.

Some of the UK magazines seem to be featuring a smaller proportion of Brit cars, and I'm not too keen on most foreign makes.

[Roger Dowding]

Mentioned on this thread a while ago that I had been given the Books, and have two of the 1963 - 67 ones and one of each of 1968 - 72.

The Covers - Front and Back of the first 3 -

1963; The price was 5/- [ 5 shillings / bob ] blanked on this copy but shows on the other one I have.

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1964;

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1965;

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The Books were written by Peter Greenslade with Photos by Euan Sarginson. published by Pegausus Press for Shell Oil New Zealand Limited.
Forward in the First Edition was by R.W.A. Frost President, Association of New Zealand Car Clubs.
The first one cost 5/- and they went to 50 cents in 1967 and by 1972 cost 95 cents

[Roger Dowding]

1966 - 1967 and 1968.
The Magazines / Booklets are in Portrait format, which lasted until 1969 - for the last 3 issues it was published in Landscape.
Must have been a Seventies thing as the " Heatway Rally " 1972 booklet, in an earlier Post, is the same format and size.

1966;

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The next few years to follow
One of the front cover images go over to the back cover - will have to scan to get the full image - the 1966 Edition.

Names on the images - Peter Webb, my cousin John Dowding's real brother, and Rex Corbett is the neighbour of my late Uncle Eddie Dowding, and cousin John still has the house in Hillcrest, North Shore, where the NZ Classic Car books of ERC lived for several years. They are now with another " collector " John Vevers of Austin 3 litre and MGC fame in Helensville - John was a regular at " Caffeine and Classics " at Smales Farm, Takapuna until they stopped a couple of years ago.

[Roger Dowding]

1969 in Portrait, with 1970 and 1971 in Landscape format.

1969;

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1971;

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To follow 1972 [ the last one by Shell in this format - and a couple of images from the 1966 Edition.

[Roger Dowding]

1972 ; The final Edition the tenth- in 1973 a different style of Book was sponsored / published by Shell.
The last few covered the whole Tasman Series - as noted on the cover.
That was when the British and European Drivers came downunder for " our " Summer.

The 1972 and 1973 Books and a couple of photos from 1966 - the 1965-66 Season

1972;

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The 1973 Book - a Review of the 1972 - 73 Season, as the cover states;
A Bigger Book and the cost had risen from 95c in 1972 to $2.00 - the original issues starting at 5/- [ 50c ] in the 1960's

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Not an interesting back Cover.

The 1966 Edition was the only one where the Cover Photo extended to the back Cover.
The Image - edited;

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In the Colour Centre Pages is this set of " Sports Cars " - 2 very well known NZ Specials and an Italian Exotic.

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