Historic Sport Sedans

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These are the troublesome hood pins.
Top pics show how they should be at road speed.
Bottom two show problems of using reproduction stuff.
Bottom right pic- the pin that goes through came out in the first race allowing drivers bonnet to lift.
Bottom right - third race,outer ring gave way coming out of bottom sweeper in last lap causing pass side of bonnet to lift.
Bottom right again-fourth race, bottom sweeper, head tore off pin, causing drivers side of bonnet to lift
Have now effected permenant repair.


Made in CHINA, :{

[Jac Mac]

Made in CHINA, :{

Fitted in Auckland...:)

[John McKechnie]

tested to destruction at speed on the fastest track in New Zealand.
Probably at Teretonga I could have used them for 20 years

[928]

I think you should life them at 19.5 years then.

[Jac Mac]

tested to destruction at speed on the fastest track in New Zealand.
Probably at Teretonga I could have used them for 20 years

Dont know where you came up with that bit of trivia John, checked some Formula Ford speeds on mylaps just for the hell of it....
Timaru 130.99, H.D. 132.311, Teretonga 148.744..... looks like you might have to punch a couple of new holes for the dog collars if you ever venture south...:) at least its got a long enough straight to catch your breath!!!

[ERC]

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[Jizim]

Hey Crunch, if we could live to that age and the only problem was peeing every 20 minutes, reckon I could adjust to that, just would have to shorten races to be with in the time and way we go, just see the boys hopeing out with their litttle bag and heading to dump hole. (some do it now)

Well I was going to add........damn.....back soon, just going for a leak!

[John McKechnie]

Tony- will bring pix of the RX3 Coupe tomorrow for you.

[John McKechnie]

Got Barry out on the track for 4 laps at 8am this morning.
Battery gave problems yesterday, changed battery, no probs today from that.
Went out in race 1 and on 2nd lap , one belt broke and threw other 2.
Contacted Shane and Fraser , and they bought over Gordons 3 belts , fitted them, and completed first race - 2 pre laps. 8 race laps and slow down lap.
Plugs are a problem, Andrew Metford is out getting the correct ones and giving to me tonight.
Have arranged for some laps at 8 am to test them.
Graeme Addis went out in the 2nd race, was really coming on to some speed in the corners as well as the straights and these 2 cars looked great circulating.
Adrian Dobbe HB Viva had a very satisfying battle with Cam Сrawford -XA Coupe- both really cooking.
Shane Johnson was definitely enjoying this class with entertaining battles with Dennis Running.
Robert Jack was a class act definitely dominating.
Understood Ken Smith was out in Ivan Selaks Escort- correct?

[John McKechnie]

Update on Today-
This morning , it was a great grid- and the weather was very kind all day with no rain spoiling everyones fun.
We had George back after replacing 2 front suspensions- great commitment her to the fans, take a bow George.
Also son George was running the later Mustang in Touring.
Roger Davis was back , but found the gearbox had split leaking oil- car sidelined,.
Later he very kindly let Barry have a rocker stud for the Monaro.
Adrian Dobbe was going for it again,
Graeme Addis was also doing some serious running getting better each time.
Barry was keeping up , but broke a rocker stud.
The Escorts , Toyota, XA Coupe were entertaining the crowd.
Dennis Running was giving it death with Shane and Robert till he withdrew near the end.
Later that day , field was very thin, as Adrian had broken the Viva gearbox, Gordon Burr had the Escort not start with fuel probs,
Addis Charger sat, George went out for a test in the demonstration,just before the race , but had electrical prob.Jon Marslin, Cam Crawford had to leave early. Didnt see Dennis Running there also.
Poor Roy Bingley was having continual problems with his diff hitting the floor.
Robert Jack took the 2nd win for the day, Shane Johnson second with David Sexton third, Steve in the Toyota and Barry.
I salute all the guys who took part, it was a pleasure looking after each and every one of you
And a huge thanks to the Historic racing Club and track management who absolutely gave every assistance necessary to all of us. Our flaggie Malcolm even retrieving Barrys 3 belts from the track for us- dedication.
As coordinator I awarded Adrian Dobbe the Sportsman Award for this class for his sheer dedication and commitment to Sports Sedans.
It was great fun and we will talk about doing it again.

[ERC]

A massive thank you to you John for all your hard work. You stepped up and took the (unpaid) job of doing so much more than most co-ordinators, as you basically had to generate entries and your work with Barry is the stuff of legends.

It would have defeated many lesser souls and if there is such a thing as karma, you will hopefully benefit.

I hope that those who potentially have cars are inspired to get stuck in, now a platform has been established.

Thanks again John. Brilliant job.

[John McKechnie]

And a special thank you to Ray all that he did and most important for many- the use of his bbq last night-YAY

[TonyG]

Well done to all of you. The photographs being posted have bought back many great memories.

Cheers
Tony

[Malcolm McLeod]

What can I say - it was just so neat to see these cars out there!
Well done to George for starting the ball rolling, John for taking the ball and running with it, and the crews for their dedication in keeping the cars out there on the track.
I managed to grab a few photos on Saturday, hope to post them tonite.


Update on Today-
This morning , it was a great grid- and the weather was very kind all day with no rain spoiling everyones fun.
We had George back after replacing 2 front suspensions- great commitment her to the fans, take a bow George.
Also son George was running the later Mustang in Touring.
Roger Davis was back , but found the gearbox had split leaking oil- car sidelined,.
Later he very kindly let Barry have a rocker stud for the Monaro.
Adrian Dobbe was going for it again,
Graeme Addis was also doing some serious running getting better each time.
Barry was keeping up , but broke a rocker stud.
The Escorts , Toyota, XA Coupe were entertaining the crowd.
Dennis Running was giving it death with Shane and Robert till he withdrew near the end.
Later that day , field was very thin, as Adrian had broken the Viva gearbox, Gordon Burr had the Escort not start with fuel probs,
Addis Charger sat, George went out for a test in the demonstration,just before the race , but had electrical prob.Jon Marslin, Cam Crawford had to leave early. Didnt see Dennis Running there also.
Poor Roy Bingley was having continual problems with his diff hitting the floor.
Robert Jack took the 2nd win for the day, Shane Johnson second with David Sexton third, Steve in the Toyota and Barry.
I salute all the guys who took part, it was a pleasure looking after each and every one of you
And a huge thanks to the Historic racing Club and track management who absolutely gave every assistance necessary to all of us. Our flaggie Malcolm even retrieving Barrys 3 belts from the track for us- dedication.
As coordinator I awarded Adrian Dobbe the Sportsman Award for this class for his sheer dedication and commitment to Sports Sedans.
It was great fun and we will talk about doing it again.

[John McKechnie]

I have incar video from Barrys car which I will transfer to you tube- a 2 hour process-post tomorrow.

[kiwi285]

Would wholeheartedly endorse what other have said. Thanks to George for getting this class started, John for moving mountains to get the field assembled and the competitors and their crews for keeping them running as well as they did. 30 year old racing machinery will always need a heap of massaging to get it reliable again.

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[kiwi285]

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[John McKechnie]

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So many thanks to these people who gave a commitment to getting the Algie Monaro on the track for this video, enjoy the ride in an authentic Sorts Sedan.
There will be more interesting videos next time.
John and Andrew Metford, Gordon Burr, Ray Green, Shane and Frazer Windlebourne, John Whiting, Scott Campbell.

[Andrew Metford]

Few pics I took on the weekend

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Continued...

[Andrew Metford]

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And lastly, The Man with his Machine :)

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[superford]

Fantastic photos everybody - thank you all very much for sharing.

Are there any more shots of the sensational Sidchrome Mustang out there? Can't get enough of that car..... or Dale's Boss.... or the PDL replica.....

Cheers

[Kiwiboss]

Fantastic photos everybody - thank you all very much for sharing.

Are there any more shots of the sensational Sidchrome Mustang out there? Can't get enough of that car..... or Dale's Boss.... or the PDL replica.....

Cheers

Its funny the things you think of Superford, on the Sunday afternoon demo's i took a passenger that won a ride, i pulled out on the track behind George in the Sidchrome Mustang and thought to my self, hey this is the first time in NZ that the only two genuine 69 Boss 302 Mustangs have been on the track at the same time!! felt special for me but probably nothing for anyone else but it did give me a smile, then i thought some more and went hey, after almost 10 years of racing my 69 Boss it has more NZ race history than the Sidchrome does, LOL. Whip-tee-do i know but there you go!!

Dale M

[Andrew Metford]

Fantastic photos everybody - thank you all very much for sharing.

Are there any more shots of the sensational Sidchrome Mustang out there? Can't get enough of that car..... or Dale's Boss.... or the PDL replica.....

Cheers

Have a look in the Historic Muscle Car thread for pics of Dale and PDL rep, I just put some up there.

Here's the Sidchrome Mustang. It is absolutely immaculate. I would like to say that after the unfortunate suspension problem on Friday morning, there was a bit of a crowd hanging around after the car came back to the pits. At one stage Chris Watson asked George what happened etc, and George handled himself very well indeed considering what had just happened. Pleasant, polite, and philosophical, he shrugged it off and said he'll take it home and fix it and come back, and sure enough Sunday morning he had it back almost as good as new. Even the piece of the guard that got torn off was refitted neatly. It was a real shame he had other problems later in the day, but he should be very proud of his efforts to repair the car and bring it back so the masses can see it in all its' glory and appreciate it. To me, this is what classic racing is all about. Well done George :)

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[John McKechnie]

Andrew- absolutely stunning pics mate You are a credit to the Historic Car movement.
Next outgoing for our boys will be 29-30 March at Hampton Downs at the Legend of Speed event.
I am advising people now, and if you have a suitable car for this group and want to run , please contact me.

[ERC]

After posting dozens of pics I have always struggled with shrinking them, to get within the 185kb limit, so not satisfied with the quality of these three, I deleted them and tried again using Photoshop instead!

Before we leave this Festival in the memory banks, if anyone has any requests for pics of specific cars running, either post requests on here (with a car number if possible - just SO many Mustangs) or the other Festival thread, and I'll see what I can do, but I really need to knuckle down in the garage but it's really hard work with just one fully operational hand...

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[Jac Mac]

Its funny the things you think of Superford, on the Sunday afternoon demo's i took a passenger that won a ride, i pulled out on the track behind George in the Sidchrome Mustang and thought to my self, hey this is the first time in NZ that the only two genuine 69 Boss 302 Mustangs have been on the track at the same time!! felt special for me but probably nothing for anyone else but it did give me a smile, then i thought some more and went hey, after almost 10 years of racing my 69 Boss it has more NZ race history than the Sidchrome does, LOL. Whip-tee-do i know but there you go!!

Dale M

Couple of fellas with names like Moffat and Richards might have beat you to that milestone by about 40 odd years Dale, still nothing like giving yourself a target to aim for!:):)

[Kiwiboss]

Couple of fellas with names like Moffat and Richards might have beat you to that milestone by about 40 odd years Dale, still nothing like giving yourself a target to aim for!:):)

Moffats mustang wasn't an actual "Boss Mustang" were as Jimmy's Sidchrome was but besides that what I actually need is a time machine Jac, now wouldn't that be fun!!!LOL Dale M

[Steve Holmes]

Overall I think the Historic Sports Sedans were a great success. With cars like these, its about seeing them out in public again, seeing them run again and getting to hear them again. Race results don't matter. And the line-up of genuine cars was very good I thought: Kieran Wills Mazda RX7 V8, Sidchrome Mustang, Ian Algie Alfetta, Barry Algie Monaro, Roger Davis Torana, Grant Brennan Escort V8, Warwick Gray Viva, Graeme Addis Charger, Brad Jones/Bryan Thomson/John Bowe etc Mercedes, etc.

And to think, there are plenty more of these old war horses (Sports Sedans and OSCA) still around and either currently racing elsewhere, or being restored, including: Bob Homewood Escort, Rod Grimwood Escort, Brent Bullivant/Graham Baker/Bob Cullinane Capri V8, Ian Munt Capri V8, Jac Mac MkII Cortina V8, Jac Mac/Rod McElrea MkIV Cortina V8, PDL Mustang I, PDL Mustang II, Paul Fahey RS2600 Capri, Trevor Crowe V8 Starlet #1, Trevor Crowe/Rodger Freeth V8 Starlet #2, Graham Park Marina V8, Don Grindley RX7 Buick V6, John Osborne RX7 V8, Frank Ryan/Avon Hyde etc Capri V8, Jack Nazer Victor V8, Gary Jenkins Victor V8, Spinner Black/Rod Coppins/Bruce Jenner/John Osborne etc Camaro, Grant Brennan RX7 V8 etc. The list goes on!

Anyway, congratulations to John and Rod for a huge effort in making this happen, and especially to George who really got this concept off the ground.

[superford]

Thanks again for the photos guys - Now just need to win lotto this weekend and PDL rep will be mine mine mine!!!!!!! - Hell if I win the big big one George will be hearing from me....

Daydreaming aside, I wish I could have been there to see those beautiful Boss Mustangs in the flesh and indeed the other masterpieces of of our rich motorsport history. I hope more and more of these wonderful machine find their way out of their sheds and back to the tracks. Congratulations to all involved.

Cheers, Jarrod

[Andrew Metford]

After posting dozens of pics I have always struggled with shrinking them, to get within the 185kb limit, so not satisfied with the quality of these three, I deleted them and tried again using Photoshop instead!

I can never work out how to shrink them either, every forum is different somehow, so I always put them on Photobucket and put the links in here then you get the picture in full size but it doesn't chew up this forum's space. That's my low tech way of making it easy :)

[gianttalkinghead]

Andrew- absolutely stunning pics mate You are a credit to the Historic Car movement.
Next outgoing for our boys will be 29-30 March at Hampton Downs at the Legend of Speed event.
I am advising people now, and if you have a suitable car for this group and want to run , please contact me.

John, I would just like to say personally what a fantastic effort you went to organising the pre 85 all comers at the Ferrari festival mate, I can speak for both Shane Johnson and myself when I say that we had a stunning two weekends of exciting and enjoyable racing. I had an absolute ball giving the old XA a proper good caning while duelling with Adrian and my old nemesis Ron. I would also like to say your choice in choosing Adrian for the prize was inspired, he typifies the dedication required to keep a historic sedan alive and running while making sure that he gives as good as he gets on the track - totally a classic racer through and through.
Once again thanks for letting me run with a great bunch of guys driving some truly legendary historic racers, a highlight would have to be being left for dead by Kenny smith driving Ivan Selaks gorgeous blue escort at the hairpin, horsepower vs handling -,mate, that's what racing is all about, hats off to John, Ron, Tony et al for making it happen

Best regards
Cam

[John McKechnie]

Cam- thanks for the kind words, and we are doing it again for you guys.
Legends of Speed March 29-30 at Hampton Downs.
Entries just opened and already we have Robert Bartley with the Custaxie 2, Rodger Davis- Torana entered .
John Telford in his beautiful Maxda RX7 V8 has been given his entry, and Richard Quinn with the ex Crowe Toyota Starlet V8 has said he will be there.
One month to go, Barry Algie has his distributor cap and rotor sorted , he wants to really push it this time.
If you want to play with the boys , its time to start getting the entries in .
All starts will be rolling
Please contact me or Chris Watson

[CUSTAXIE50]

Cam- thanks for the kind words, and we are doing it again for you guys.
Legends of Speed March 29-30 at Hampton Downs.
Entries just opened and already we have Robert Bartley with the Custaxie 2, Rodger Davis- Torana entered .
John Tetford in his beautiful Maxda RX7 V8 has been given his entry, and Richard Quinn with the ex Crowe Toyota V8 has said he will be there.
One month to go, Barry Algie has his distributor cap and rotor sorted , he wants to really push it this time.
If you want to play with the boys , its time to start getting the entries in .
All starts will be rolling
Please contact me or Chris Watson Thats a good start.

[John McKechnie]

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[John McKechnie]

#284-This is from John Telford who will have his car at Legends of Speed-Fantastic23985
John

Just a brief history. The car was built in the late 80's by Greg Transom for his partner Jennifer Mossman
It was then sold to Jennifers brother Ralf Mossman who mainly raced in OSCAR series down south.
The car was originally powered with a 310 cubic inch fisher chev, then Ralf repowered it with a 305 chaparral chev F5000 motor,
which was originally from his Viva!!! The car never ran or competed with this engine, it was then repowered with a 358 cubic inch Marsh Chev .
Now it has a 358 cubic inch cast block dodge engine. I have owned the car for four years and it took me two years to restore it.
I know it is not a PC car, but it is pretty close to it.
Hope this helps.
Have attached another photo

Cheers Jon

[Spgeti]

Its a nice car and goes very well, great pics of both the Capri and RX7

[CUSTAXIE50]

Do you have a new list of those who say they will also be there thanks.

[John McKechnie]

Barry Algie has very kindly let me go through his photo album, his dad took a lot 1979-1990.
I will be posting them here to warm up the atmosphere for the March 29-30 legends meeting
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[seaqnmac27]

Barry Algie has very kindly let me go through his photo album, his dad took a lot 1979-1990.
I will be posting them here to warm up the atmosphere for the March 29-30 legends meeting
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I am really looking forward to seeing more of these John.

[John McKechnie]

The Alfetta in its early days- no wing, or front air dam.Cream with flares same vitamin C colour as the Monaro. Bay Park.
Late days at club circuit Pukekohe with the everlong Viva Torana which still runs.
Someone want to put names on the other drivers here ?

[rogered]

The Alfetta in its early days- no wing, or front air dam.Cream with flares same vitamin C colour as the Monaro. Bay Park.
Late days at club circuit Pukekohe with the everlong Viva Torana which still runs.
Someone want to put names on the other drivers here ?

wayne huxford, warwick gray

[rogered]

#284-This is from John Telford who will have his car at Legends of Speed-Fantastic23985
John

Just a brief history. The car was built in the late 80's by Greg Transom for his partner Jennifer Mossman
It was then sold to Jennifers brother Ralf Mossman who mainly raced in OSCAR series down south.
The car was originally powered with a 310 cubic inch fisher chev, then Ralf repowered it with a 305 chaparral chev F5000 motor,
which was originally from his Viva!!! The car never ran or competed with this engine, it was then repowered with a 358 cubic inch Marsh Chev .
Now it has a 358 cubic inch cast block dodge engine. I have owned the car for four years and it took me two years to restore it.
I know it is not a PC car, but it is pretty close to it.
Hope this helps.
Have attached another photo

Cheers Jon

Stepping further back, i think the bones of it are as grant brennans RX7.

[John McKechnie]

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Would anyone have any info on this- could be Whenuapei?
nzeder will be pleased - there is a Datsun Z racing here.

[Limezed]

Mike will be double excited, there is a second zed lurking in the background.

[ERC]

Looks like 1984 Whenuapai? I don't have a programme but I only managed to call in on the way back from Parakai - doing the family thing...

[Rod Grimwood]

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Would anyone have any info on this- could be Whenuapei?
nzeder will be pleased - there is a Datsun Z racing here.


Capri Brian Friend, Algie Alfetta, behind Alfetta Parksey in Marina

[crunch]

Capri Brian Friend, Algie Alfetta, behind Alfetta Parksey in Marina


Is that the same Brian Friend that had a zebra stripped purple and white XU1 sports sedan?

[John McKechnie]

Any names for Panterra- Charlie ( no mess Charlie) Conway? and Z pilots?

[fullnoise68]

Is that the same Brian Friend that had a zebra stripped purple and white XU1 sports sedan?

Yes it is Crunch, the Torana was the ex Roy Harrington car.

[John McKechnie]

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Not the best pic, but it is from early days- colour scheme, no wing, air dam.
Surely this is BayPark, and everybody enjoying another hot day in the office.
Any leads on the blue car?

[seaqnmac27]

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Not the best pic, but it is from early days- colour scheme, no wing, air dam.
Surely this is BayPark, and everybody enjoying another hot day in the office.
Any leads on the blue car?

John Osborne in his Osca winning Camaro

[Steve Holmes]

Blue Camaro is John Osborne in the ex-Spinner Black/Rod Coppins/Bruce Jenner etc Camaro.

Awesome pics John.

[ERC]

Is it time to now start a new thread for the upcoming season or races or even just the class?

[John McKechnie]

Title says it all, when and where it started and who its about.

[crunch]

Yes it is Crunch, the Torana was the ex Roy Harrington car.

I wonder where that car went?

[seaqnmac27]

Crunch, I think that story is in the Lost Cars thread. I vaguely recall something about the panels being in a garage in Auckland, but I might be mistaken.

[Parnelli]

I wonder where that car went?

I believe the car sat outside for some years with the resulting rust taking its toll on the shell. The exterior fibre panels were removed and saved , and what was left was dumped.

[John McKechnie]

Steve Matich had it sitting at his place for a while, didnt even know what was really going on with it, wasnt even offered it.
He told me body was rough, restorable now, but noone cared then. Was dumped.,he remembers well that it is dead, deceased buried
Grady Thomson first raced this when new for the first couple hundred miles, road test in Autonews. Raced by quite a few.
Correct about front guards- safe in some ones garage in Auckland- will not say location.

[John McKechnie]

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[seaqnmac27]

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Bob Cullinane in the ex Bullivant Capri shown in post #293 under Brian Friends ownership

[stubuchanan]

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Would anyone have any info on this- could be Whenuapei?
nzeder will be pleased - there is a Datsun Z racing here.

Definitely Whenuapai Wings & Wheels 1984. Numbers tally with programme, and from a few indistinct photos I took!

Datsun Z #432 is one D.Meadows. There were 3 other Z's in entry plus a whole bunch of Ferraris that year, plus Morris's ERA and Whitehouse Cooper-Bristol.

Late Dave McKinney's NZ Motoring News had a double-page report of the W&W - remember when we had real motor magazines you could pick up and read?

Stu

[Limezed]

Here's an old home video I dug up on this wet weekend. Puke 1991/92 season.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z70wUL3FJKA&feature=youtu.be

[Rod Grimwood]

Bob Cullinane in the ex Bullivant Capri shown in post #293 under Brian Friends ownership

Looks funny shape, but colour is similar to Mr Cullinane colours maybe not best photo angle.

[Rod Grimwood]

Yep that's the colour , just looks bit odd in other photo.

[ERC]

Definitely Whenuapai Wings & Wheels 1984. Numbers tally with programme, and from a few indistinct photos I took!
I'd love a photo copy/scan of that programme if possible Stu, as I took a small number of pics, but as mentioned earlier, didn't see any racing. If I'd known my ex was going to walk anyway, I would have gone to the race meeting as a flaggie!

[Rod Grimwood]

Here's an old home video I dug up on this wet weekend. Puke 1991/92 season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z70wUL3FJKA&feature=youtu.be

yep when Aussie boys came over for a play, the red white Supra was original Monza. Allard was other trying to remember others, Jag was grouse and quick.

[Rod Grimwood]

I'd love a photo copy/scan of that programme if possible Stu, as I took a small number of pics, but as mentioned earlier, didn't see any racing. If I'd known my ex was going to walk anyway, I would have gone to the race meeting as a flaggie!


Would also be interested in any photos of an Anglia (light blue) at this fun day if any of you people have any.
Got asked by official if it could keep wheels on ground, but it was hard to train. Anyway that's how Anglias grew up, so who was I to tell it off.

[Steve Holmes]

Here's an old home video I dug up on this wet weekend. Puke 1991/92 season.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z70wUL3FJKA&feature=youtu.be

Oh wow, that is cool to see. Thats the year the four Aussie teams raced in NZ against the four NZ teams. I think they only ran the North Island tracks? Could be wrong about that. The Aussies were Bryan Thomson in a Jaguar XJS, Kerry Bailey in a Chevy V8 powered Toyota Supra, Des Wall in a Chevy V8 powered Toyota Supra, and Jeff Barnes in a Chevy Monza. The Wall Supra was the former Bob Jane Monza which was later converted to the Toyota when owned by Bryan Thomson. The Jeff Barnes Monza was the DeKon 1001, which was bought by Red Dawson in 1975, and which he had his big shunt in at Manfeild in 1976.

Cool stuff.

[crunch]

Bob Cullinane in the ex Bullivant Capri shown in post #293 under Brian Friends ownership

Didn't Bob run that Capri with an automatic at some stage?

[crunch]

Bob Cullinane in the ex Bullivant Capri shown in post #293 under Brian Friends ownership

Didn't Bob run that Capri with an automatic at some stage?:confused:

[Rod Grimwood]

yep when Aussie boys came over for a play, the red white Supra was original Monza. Allard was other trying to remember others, Jag was grouse and quick.



Right Steve, Wall was the convert in Supra, got guys mixed up from different trips.

[John McKechnie]

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This looks like Bay Park- and that looks like Amber Electrical on the side of the black car.
Is this you George, can you tell us about this race?

[nzeder]

Nice video limezed. I loved watching those cars and recall that meeting to. Pleased you had a video of it. I thank all those that take/took pics/videos of events as people like me who are not camera types appreciate these.

[crunch]

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This looks like Bay Park- and that looks like Amber Electrical on the side of the black car.
Is this you George, can you tell us about this race?

If this is on the grid at Baypark; shouldn't the embankment in the background be higher?

[John McKechnie]

Thats what I thought Crunch- maybe its Fenuwapie 1984 that stubuchanan mentioned earlier

[Rod Grimwood]

Thats what I thought Crunch- maybe its Fenuwapie 1984 that stubuchanan mentioned earlier


it is the 'Siddy' John, then Capri Friend and outside is Mazda rx2 of Rutherford

4 wide would be fenuwapie

At this meeting we crossed the runways and as you entered the crossing you got air, and I watched Algie and Rutherford 'fly' past me one time.

[TonyG]

Is that the one that has been restored and if so where is it now?



Blue Camaro is John Osborne in the ex-Spinner Black/Rod Coppins/Bruce Jenner etc Camaro.

Awesome pics John.

[seaqnmac27]

Is that the one that has been restored and if so where is it now?

Its owned by Tony Boyden isn't it?

[John McKechnie]

Yes it is

[kiwi285]

A couple of images of the car in question

http://i61.tinypic.com/ddow2w.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/xao0vo.jpg

[John McKechnie]

Mike- great pics, I have emailed an invitation to tony for this meeting. I hope that he does come along to join-

Richard Quin – 1979 Toyota Starlet V8 3992cc
Robert Jack – 1979 Ford Escort 5800cc
Nigel MacDonald – 1967 Ford Mustang Fastback 5700cc
Gordon Burr – 1977 Alfa Romeo Algie Alfetta 5000cc
Dennis Running – 1979 Mazda RX8 5000cc
Jon Telford – 1981 Mazda RX8 5800cc
Roger Davis – 1976 Holden Torana 5900cc
Robert Bartley – 1955 Ford Customline 7000c
Barry Algie -1970 Holden Monaro.
Graeme Addis- Charger
Shane Johnson with Mustang has no front tyres , he is out.

[kiwi285]

This is another car that hopefully will grace these grids in the not too distant future

http://i62.tinypic.com/303aatx.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2q1e1ir.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/b4vsxz.jpg

[rogered]

This is another car that hopefully will grace these grids in the not too distant future

http://i62.tinypic.com/303aatx.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2q1e1ir.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/b4vsxz.jpg

kinda hope they resist the temptation to "panel and paint"

[John McKechnie]

It looks so tantalizingly close to running in these pix.

[kiwi285]

My understanding is that there will be as little panel and paint as needs to be done to make it look reasonably presentable.

[John McKechnie]

Mike- just realized that in #330, with the list of drivers on the door we are missing-

Terry Scott.
Jim Palmer.

Both drove it twice during 1969.
Door should be deep enough to get these names there.

[kiwi285]

We need to pass that info on to Tony Boyden - maybe he wasn't aware of it.

[Andrew Metford]

Mike- great pics, I have emailed an invitation to tony for this meeting. I hope that he does come along to join-

Richard Quin – 1979 Toyota Starlet V8 3992cc
Robert Jack – 1979 Ford Escort 5800cc
Nigel MacDonald – 1967 Ford Mustang Fastback 5700cc
Gordon Burr – 1977 Alfa Romeo Algie Alfetta 5000cc
Dennis Running – 1979 Mazda RX8 5000cc
Jon Telford – 1981 Mazda RX8 5800cc
Roger Davis – 1976 Holden Torana 5900cc
Robert Bartley – 1955 Ford Customline 7000c
Barry Algie -1970 Holden Monaro.
Graeme Addis- Charger
Shane Johnson with Mustang has no front tyres , he is out.

John, is it this Shane Johnson and Mustang? Has the car been changed from CMC spec?

http://www.centralmusclecars.co.nz/webapps/i/82841/292749/419761

[Andrew Metford]

What's the history of the Victor? I've never seen it before, but always remember Kent Greenwood in his blue Victor at some classic meetings and on Targa there for a few years. What ever happened to Kent and the car? Car didn't look much but went bloody fast!!

[John McKechnie]

Shane Johnsons Mustang only just qualifies as an Invited Allcomer- it is Udys ex Targa winning car, history to 90s and is stock bodied, unchanged mechanically.If a CMC car is within these limits they can run. Cam Crawfords orange XA Coupe also, same with Paul Urquarts Moffat XA Coupe replica.
The Victor- ex Jack Nazers Miss Victorious. 3 times NZ Champ. Built by the Stone Bros. Jack told he that this was his first real racing car

[fullnoise68]

John, is Nigel running in the Historic Sports Sedans?

[John McKechnie]

Steve- Melissa received the entries and just sent me the list

[Rod Grimwood]

Regards Jacks statement,- Then what was the Lotus Anglia & Cortina and Cossack Escort, wish I could train in them until a 'real racing car' came along.

[kiwi285]

The Jack Nazer Cossack Victor was a very famous NZ allcomers car and it is magic that it still exists in basically the same form as it finished its first life. It will be a great day when this car hits the track again. Craig said that he was making progress with the car so it is has not been pushed into a corner and forgotten. I think that the engine either has been overhauled or is in progress.

[kiwi285]

Loved Jack's Cossack FVA Escort - a great little car that still exists too. Is based in the lower South Island

http://i59.tinypic.com/95onyw.jpg

[John McKechnie]

Dont the flares look so diminuitive now in comparison to what we have been seeing in the last 10 or so years.

[Rod Grimwood]

Dont the flares look so diminuitive now in comparison to what we have been seeing in the last 10 or so years.


Yep they sure have changed from the original.

[Frosty5]

Steve- Melissa received the entries and just sent me the list

Nigel MacDonald – 1967 Ford Mustang Fastback 5700cc

Is this for real or a typo

Dave

[John McKechnie]

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This would be one of the earliest pics of the car-December 1979.
Ian standing at drivers door, Barry on the ground and Dave at passenger A pillar.
All this at the family home on a hot summers day.

[John McKechnie]

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This is the cars first run at Puke-October 1984.
Looking at it, it could just be a test day, dont see any other cars, activity or flaggies.
Nowadays I dont think you would even be allowed here..
As its an early pic, it has the simple flares at the back.

[Andrew Metford]

Wow John, wonderful photos!!! Do you know the dates?

[Andrew Metford]

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The rear flares are not the box style like every other picture I've ever seen on the car, so I guess this was the way the car was originally built, and the box flares were fitted later. Was the radiator in the back originally or only after the box flares were fitted?

[John McKechnie]

JAFA- have now updated these pics with details , months and years.
Will check about radiator.
Next pair of pics will be the Alfetta from Dec 1979, same location at the family home.

[Andrew Metford]

Thanks John. Looking forward to the next instalment :)

[John McKechnie]

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December 1979- same roll of film as the Monaro.
Looking very close.

[John McKechnie]

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No tennis balls in injectors.
Neville-other brother-in car with family cat.
No sign of a cage.

[John McKechnie]

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[John McKechnie]

Big day out- going for a run at Puke- yay!!!!!!!!!
April 1980.
Period correct first appearance pic for the rivet counters.

[Spgeti]

Great photos John......I am not counting the rivets today. Cheers

[John McKechnie]

Bruce- isnt it neat when someone- usually the Dad- can find time to capture the moment.
I am sure the boys had more important things to do than take these.
This is also an invitation to anyone else to dig out any pics sitting around as the bonus is that in the 70s colour arrived.

[Spgeti]

These pics are just golden period shots. Being an Alfisti....life after Camaro, I just love that Alfetta (and the other two Algie cars). The front and rear guards in this early guise are so close to the Autodelta Group 2 flares. they certainly did a great job.

[John McKechnie]

Bruce- they looked in the windows at the Autodelta factory to get these flares so close.

[kiwi285]

Those photos are pure gold - great to get some background info about these historic cars under construction.

I understand that the boys also got involved in recovering WW II aircraft from up in the Islands at one time !!

[John McKechnie]

Yep, over the winter, if this is quiet, I can put up the story here.
These aeroplanes are trickier to find than the current one they have lost.

[John McKechnie]

OK- for Jafa- If you look at the pass window of the Monaro, you will see the vent direction part. This directed wind to the radiator at the back.

Next inquiry-
He has a Nakajima KI 43 radial engine- like in a Zero.
They found it when they were there on an earlier trip.
He sent something over there marked Generator engine.
When there , they had a 5 wheeler and they dragged this engine from a village 60 miles to their hotel.
Once there, they boxed it up, and had to get a police escort with the fork lift to get it to the shipping agent.
Hardest part was convincing the Customs agent that it wasnt an aeroplane engine, that it was the Generator engine, having been worked on, was being returned.
Arrived here all good , and one of the things he works on.
Hows that Mike?

[kiwi285]

A great story John - being involved with race cars and all the trickery involved in getting parts into NZ I guess that they had had plenty of practice. I guess that the engine would have been a Nakajima Ha 115 - certainly not that plentiful these days. Do they still have the engine or was it moved on ??

[John McKechnie]

Was looking at it tonight actually a HA 115-11 series-1230 hp
Now that would look interesting in the Alfetta.
Same Nakajima made my industrial sewing machine, told Barry when he was eyeing it with lecherous intent- NO.................
Absolutely too hard to get the planes out now, total restriction, no matter what the bribe. sounds like NZ.
Hayabusa ( Peregrine Falcon- 5919 made) is the plane the engine came out of, its still there,.Deal was he was to marry chiefs daughter and this was the dowry.
Apparently he had 17 of the same deals for 17 other planes around the place

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks for posting these brilliant photos John! They're just awesome.

[John McKechnie]

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[seaqnmac27]

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Rare shot of Reg Cook in the GMDT Shellsport Chevette

[John McKechnie]

First pic would indicate test day in December 1980, as I an is driving and Barry is a passenger- good thing OSH wasnt there. Note number 25, and no scoop on the right hand rear window.

Other pics earlier April 1980, and race meeting on club circuit- any takers for those out there as well?, Both scoops on rear windows and number 125

[John McKechnie]

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[John McKechnie]

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[Spgeti]

In the last pic #373, that gent standing beside the rear wing of the Alfetta is Le Singh, Alfa Guru.

[John McKechnie]

Bruce- #373 .Barry gave me this pic and specifically asked to post it as he is a good friend and was very helpful, overall a super nice guy.
Note the cage, no side scoops, has wing.
#372- are these the guys that Grimmie said gave Barry the "escort with sirens" to the track?
Both pics are April 1985.
Also different-silver- wheels to first pic #372

Earlier pic has no date.
Probably first run in red, also no CRC stickers
No front air dam, or wing, but has side vent in left hand rear window.
Ian would change things often.

[Spgeti]

Les is editor of the Alfa News in NZ and lives in Wellington. I see him a couple of times a year. Was also involved in the Group A Alfetta that came to race at the Wellington Street Race. Very nice guy. These photos a really great John and thank Barry for sharing them with us. Cheers Bruce

[Rod Grimwood]

No not them John, the 'Escort' guy was a little more serious looking, these roosters look like they have a sense of humour and are enjoying themselves.

Top photo, some interesting cars in pits and on bank, recognize one of them, gren mk3 Cortina over near caravan, was a good car back then
This Friday unofficial practice, first of 2 clutch's for weekend for me.

[Growler]

Awesome photos!
I have always loved the sports sedans, and the design and engineering behind them.
There must be a heap of these cars still around sitting in a garage somewhere.
It would be awesome if an Historic Sports Sedan type class was formed for these. Maybe incorporating the older Shell Sport cars as well.
Mind you…it would be a lot of work to organise, and costs have increased somewhat (And the drivers are older!).
It would be great to see however…

[John McKechnie]

Growler- there is an Historic Sports Sedan class running, and will be at Hampton Downs this Saturday and Sunday- Legends of Speed - come along and mingle.
Shell Sport cars- we are looking at them also as they are basically Sports Sedans- like OSCAs

[Rod Grimwood]

Shell Sport cars ran in later years with Sports Sedans so they could get a run, after they were cast aside by Wellington, (and those with the pulling power to have 'their' cars run in 'their class) and sad but most class's would follow suit.

There are a reasonable number of them (Shell Sport) still sitting around and think most can not be bothered with going through dramas (as in spending $s to prove history or apply for 'new' cod) after having been dealt up years ago.

[crunch]

Shell Sport cars ran in later years with Sports Sedans so they could get a run, after they were cast aside by Wellington, (and those with the pulling power to have 'their' cars run in 'their class) and sad but most class's would follow suit.

There are a reasonable number of them (Shell Sport) still sitting around and think most can not be bothered with going through dramas (as in spending $s to prove history or apply for 'new' cod) after having been dealt up years ago.

C'mon Rod; are you sure that's the real reason...or just an excuse?
Actually "most" of them have got together and want to start again along the lines of what Historic Muscle Cars and Historic Sports Sedans are doing.
Some positive news!

[John McKechnie]

OK guys, Rod has opened the door here.
Is anyone out there, apart from Rod who has one of these Shell Sports from that era and wants to run?
Throw me some pms and see what we can do.

[Rod Grimwood]

That worked John.

And yep Crunch I am still bit not sure on it. Don't want hassles on authenticity (cage etc), not me sorry. (been there done that)
If car stays as it is yep maybe, but problem is log book lost (or misplaced) during shifts and that a hassle.
If it works, good be out for a play, but will wait and watch developments.

[Steve Holmes]

Shell Sport cars ran in later years with Sports Sedans so they could get a run, after they were cast aside by Wellington, (and those with the pulling power to have 'their' cars run in 'their class) and sad but most class's would follow suit.

There are a reasonable number of them (Shell Sport) still sitting around and think most can not be bothered with going through dramas (as in spending $s to prove history or apply for 'new' cod) after having been dealt up years ago.

Thats right Rod, ShellSport cars were regular starters in Sports Sedan fields, as were cars from other classes, such as production etc. Often the Sports Sedans were outnumbered by the ring-ins. There are several ShellSport cars currently competing in historic racing, the big difference being, many wear DOT tyres now, whereas the ShellSport car in period wore slicks.

[seaqnmac27]

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Thia shot would be 1981/2 GP meet December 81. Note the Pacifics in the background. The giveaway is Graham Watsons Ralt to the right of the Ken Smith March. therefore this practise, so why no wing on the back?

[Steve Holmes]

No spoiler on the front either Sean. Looks like the car had only recently been painted here?

[John McKechnie]

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[John McKechnie]

No year on this, but safe to say it was the last variation on body changes.
Subject to correction, I think this is Baypark and another well attended meeting with the cars the fans wanted to see.
Top pic- John Learmont in sunnies maybe, a bike guy with Sunday News on his back.
Anyone got IDs on other cars and drivers.
Is that Starlet V8- in the middle picture? If it is , it will be racing this weekend.
Capri is Cullane.
Only one more set of 3 to be posted tomorrow.

[Bailey]

No year on this, but safe to say it was the last variation on body changes.
Subject to correction, I think this is Baypark and another well attended meeting with the cars the fans wanted to see.
Top pic- John Learmont in sunnies, maybe a bike guy with Sunday News on his back.
Anyone got IDs on other cars and drivers.
Is that Starlet V8- in the middle picture? If it is , it will be racing this weekend.
Capri is Cullane.
Only one more set of 3 to be posted tomorrow.

Harold Wootten in sunnies, John Learmonth the bearded bloke.

[Grant Ellwood]

Noel Cullen, Alfa expert, on right, ball cap and stache?

[John McKechnie]

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Pukekohe - October 1984.
As we fondly remember it, complete with cabbage trees and the ditch.
Not a concrete wall or sound meter in sight.

[John McKechnie]

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Baypark 1984.
Addis and Algie- 2 good men together.
Looking at the people in the background, possibly testing

[John McKechnie]

And thats all folks, next lot of pics will be from after this weekends Legend of Speed.

[Bryan]

No year on this, but safe to say it was the last variation on body changes.
Subject to correction, I think this is Baypark and another well attended meeting with the cars the fans wanted to see.
Anyone got IDs on other cars and drivers.
Is that Starlet V8- in the middle picture? If it is , it will be racing this weekend.
Capri is Cullane.

First Crowe Starlet, but in a different livery to the New Year 1983 meeting. Ditto for Cullinane Capri.
http://www.theroaringseason.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23942&d=1393893978

[crunch]

First Crowe Starlet, but in a different livery to the New Year 1983 meeting. Ditto for Cullinane Capri.
http://www.theroaringseason.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23942&d=1393893978

I think you might find it is the Wayne Huxford Capri

[Rod Grimwood]

Harold Wootten in sunnies, John Learmonth the bearded bloke.


Correct Bailey, Guy in Leathers could be Bruce Motley he raced super cart with Sunday News, Quick as well, him and Mr Prouse

And Correct Crunch with Huxford

[Bryan]

And Correct Crunch with Huxford
Oops, my bad. Was the Cullinane, Algie, Crowe photo 1982? According to this story (http://www.classiccar.co.nz/articles/ford/brent-bullivants-v8-capri-236#more-34672) Cullinane only did a full season in '82.

[John McKechnie]

Legends of Speed -
We had a good turn out of guys who were definitely not into processions for the weekend.
I want to thank- John Telford, Richard Quinn, and Robert Bartley for making the long drive to run with us.
Steve Noyer was rapt to be with us, Neil Tolich could only be there for a couple, most importantly- a big wrap to the Windlebourns for getting Gordons Alfetta for some racing.
It was 2 classes for the price of one, so like John Sampson and some others , I got in 64 laps in total- 2 practices and 6 races- got to help use up the fossil fuel while its there.
It was smiles all round and in keeping with the spirit of other classes we ran a rollup handicap for our last race .
John Telford and Robert Jack were usually within 0.2 secs of each other in 1.11.
Neil Tolich was consistent at 1.12
Dennis Running, Richard Quinn and Steve Noyer were running 1.13 to 1.14.
Graeme Addis is improving all the time and posted a 1.16 while overtaking me on the last lap of race 25.
I was able to do a 1.16, and had a couple of close battles with Robert Bartley in the Custaxie 2.
He was posting a very respectable 1.18, and I can tell you he is not hanging around, he wants more.
Barry Algie getting on top of reliability is getting down to 1.20 which is the same time as regular pilot Nathan Wood - a 6 cylinder XF sedan.
Gordon told me after the rollup that this was the first race in the Alfetta he had ever finished- may he have many more.
I have done a few more things from the bucket list in running with these great Historic Sedans
Hopefully we can get some pics up here

[Paul Wilkinson]

John, loved your big power slide out of (I think) turn four - I'm not sure the wee RX2 beside you enjoyed it as much as us spectators though! Great stuff!

[John McKechnie]

Paul- Yep , it was turn 4, got to do a couple of skids or people think you are in a procession.
I did get a good view out the side window of the same RX2 cutting the grass on the out side of the track two corners later.
Hope you got good value with me and the Custaxie 2 also in the same corner.

[ERC]

Your wish is our command.

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[John McKechnie]

As I said earlier, HSS guys had come to race, Graeme showing the commitment to running as he wanted to, and Robert not worried about throwing a big car around.
Thanks Ray great pics for the Bucket List, next time like to get a pic running with Gordon in the Alfetta- yeah right!!!
CUSTAXIE 50- this ones for you

[ERC]

I think Gordon arrived with the Alfetta about 5 minutes before that race started, so obviously didn't make the grid. Shame.

I usually concentrate on 1 car per frame John, building up a massive library of many different cars, so I'll keep my eye out for future opportunities to snap you with the icons of the class.

Great work for getting this class running - especially as a bit like me, you never actually asked for the job in the first place!

[John McKechnie]

Ray, Scotty was there in the garage when they arrived ....and it was after.
In an ideal world using modern mobile phones, we could have been told he was almost here..........and seen if he could have done race 25.
Upgrade at 5.13 They rolled up with the Alfetta just as Scotty was getting Barry ready, we we would have been in our cars .

[CUSTAXIE50]

As I said earlier, HSS guys had come to race, Graeme showing the commitment to running as he wanted to, and Robert not worried about throwing a big car around.
Thanks Ray great pics for the Bucket List, next time like to get a pic running with Gordon in the Alfetta- yeah right!!!
CUSTAXIE 50- this ones for you Very pissed off not getting to this meeting,today i looked at four hours of tape of Sport Sedans that ran at Wellington,Manfeild,Baypark,Puke.How good would that be to get it back up there the way it was,maybe we could throw some money at it to get more cars out there,would be one way also to full the stands up and maybe make some money out of it also.

[ERC]

Agree John. And no one would have minded if they had brought race 26 forward either, but Gordon is not the sort of person who expects the world to change for his benefit either. He has to be one of the nicest guys around in racing.

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Regarding spectators. One of our guys with a Ford Escort went to the Pukekohe meeting for the time attack at Super Tourers and was amazed at how much interest there was in his car (including from the Ute drivers!).

Chatting to one guy who owns a sporting classic, he was stunned to find out that this guy had never ever attended a classic race meeting and was only at Pukekohe because he was a Greg Murphy fan.

The Ferrari Festival is an annual 'big' event and we get the manufacturers getting TV coverage for grids of 9 at the non-classic meetings, so maybe we need a decent sponsor to back classic racing onto TV, to show people what we are all about?

[crunch]

Agree John. And no one would have minded if they had brought race 26 forward either, but Gordon is not the sort of person who expects the world to change for his benefit either. He has to be one of the nicest guys around in racing.

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Regarding spectators. One of our guys with a Ford Escort went to the Pukekohe meeting for the time attack at Super Tourers and was amazed at how much interest there was in his car (including from the Ute drivers!).

Chatting to one guy who owns a sporting classic, he was stunned to find out that this guy had never ever attended a classic race meeting and was only at Pukekohe because he was a Greg Murphy fan.

The Ferrari Festival is an annual 'big' event and we get the manufacturers getting TV coverage for grids of 9 at the non-classic meetings, so maybe we need a decent sponsor to back classic racing onto TV, to show people what we are all about?

So you would like to commercialise Historic Racing Ray? I thought that was against the ethos of Historic motorsport?

[ERC]

I believe there is a big difference between commercialising the sport and assisting in its promotion. If it is televised now and again, spending someone's advertising budget and where no driver benefits in any way directly, then is that commercialisation or promotion?

When Gold Leaf and Yardley stepped into F1, or even before that, when Shell and Dunlop 'assisted' entrants, that was sponsorship and true commercialisation, but what I am suggesting is maybe someone could step forward to promote the sport, which has vast potential to be pushed out to a wider audience.

[John McKechnie]

I want to give a huge thanks to all those who willingly gave their time and effort into making last weekends Legends of Speed such an enjoyable time.
Starting from Chris Watson and Tony Roberts, CROs -Melissa and Ben, a super Clerk of Course- Deborah Day, the flaggies who we tried to always remember to wave to as the adrelalin wore off.
Weather was perfect always neat having interested people come up and spend time - great talk with Paul Stacey- never a dull moment.

[Rod Grimwood]

Crunch, Crunch, don't worry, it won't take the fifty spectators away from the V8s and Tourers. Hopefully the commentator will at least get the right person in the right car, and the interviews won't be about 'the car is not right', instead of saying 'what a diddle I made of myself trying to stick/push my nose in there'.

[crunch]

Crunch, Crunch, don't worry, it won't take the fifty spectators away from the V8s and Tourers. Hopefully the commentator will at least get the right person in the right car, and the interviews won't be about 'the car is not right', instead of saying 'what a diddle I made of myself trying to stick/push my nose in there'.

Hey Rod; I'm not worried at all. I was merely pointing out the philosophy of H&C motorsport that is in the front of the MSNZ manual, that I challenge every year, but all clubs tell me is what they want the H&C branch of the sport to represent. Just asking....:p

[Rod Grimwood]

Crunch old boy, you do a bloody good job, there was a bit of tongue in that.
PS you up for Whangarei in couple weeks

[crunch]

there was a bit of tongue in that.


Jeez...the wife will see that!:confused:Yes; I'm up there from Wednesday, finally the rally season starts!

[crunch]

..Are you allowed to mention that dirty word Rallying on these hallowed pages??

[Rod Grimwood]

..Are you allowed to mention that dirty word Rallying on these hallowed pages??

Its not dirty, just another form of fun.

Will try and contact you, I am around Whangarei during week.

[Bryan]

Its not dirty, just another form of fun.
It is a dirty word - the dirtier the better.;)

[John McKechnie]

Havent posted for a a while, and I return with some great news-
I have been in contact with Peter Gunther, he bought the Skoda V8 off Trevor Crowe 3 years ago.
He is currently getting the engine done and is looking forward to running with us at the Ice Breaker in September
Hopefully he will being doing a post here on this iconic car with pictures as well.
This apparently was the last of Trevors toys, and survived the Christchurch earthquake when the garage didnt.
Always fantastic to meet new new owners of these HSS who want to run them.
He told me he loved everything about this radical car, especially that it was a V8

[ERC]

Peter has also been an ERC member for the last 4 years and is itching to get the car running again!

[madpete]

Hi all
Yes Ray am itching to get the beast on the track up here on the North Island.

I will try get some more pics as the build goes. The motor is currently at Sparg's Auto Centre to be checked over and then we be putting the heart back inside the beast. I hope to have a shake down or 3 before the Ice Breaker later this year.

I was asked by the Targa organisers if i would be keen to go to SI for this years event but the car will unfortunately not be ready on time for this. Everything going to plan I look forward to racing with the ERC and the HSS.

Shalom

Mad Pete

[ERC]

For those who may be bemused as to how it fits in the ERC group, we have had a policy for many years of allowing in a limited number of cars with engine transplants subject, to various criteria. It is because we opened the door to cars like this that are not covered by T & C rules, that we could not enforce CODs as a prerequisite.

[John McKechnie]

25114
I have just received some very interesting pics from Jim Barclay of our favourites from the 80s.
This is an early one of Graemes Charger at Pukekohe 1979.
The background cars make for interesting examination also- cant see many rice burners.
Will post some more this afternoon.
Just noticed- no rear spoiler

[Rod Grimwood]

25114
I have just received some very interesting pics from Jim Barclay of our favourites from the 80s.
This is an early one of Graemes Charger at Pukekohe 1979.
The background cars make for interesting examination also- cant see many rice burners.
Will post some more this afternoon.



That's a very early photo, can't wait for more.

[John McKechnie]

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Manfield 1983- dont have any details on what caused this, maybe left front tyre took an early retyrement.
Also rear spoiler is now fitted.
Wow, this is 4 years later...................
.

[John McKechnie]

25125
heres another serving- old Pukekohe track , December 1984. Barrys Monaro has the original smaller flares on the rear wheel arches here. Graeme is in third,Jim Short in the Porsche 911 also here.
Any one want to put up some names?

[Rod Grimwood]

front Algie Alfetta, Crowe Starlet, middle Addis Charger, behind Addis Ralph Mossman Viva (black), Grindley RX7 McLean Commodore, Baigent BMW, Barry and Jim.

[seaqnmac27]

25124




Manfield 1983- dont have any details on what caused this, maybe left front tyre took an early retyrement.
Also rear spoiler is now fitted.
Wow, this is 4 years later...................
.

This is from the Manfield International January 83. The report in NZMN reads:

McElrea had blown a radiator hose and was dropping down through the field. Addis came up to pass the Cortina through the Esses and the two cars touched, pieces of fibreglass flying everywhere. McElrea retired at the Hairpin with his right rear tyre punctured, while Addis's previously immaculate Charger, now with tyre marks down the side, completed another lap before retiring.

[John McKechnie]

25127

[Rod Grimwood]

Check out all the people with their hands over their ears, no noise nazi there in 84 just real motorsport people

[rogered]

Check out all the people with their hands over their ears, no noise nazi there in 84 just real motorsport people
As it should be!!!!!

[Bryan]

Check out all the people with their hands over their ears, no noise nazi there in 84 just real motorsport people

You'll have to speak up, all us real motorsport people are deaf as posts, don't know why...:p

[Steve Holmes]

Awesome photos John, thanks for posting.

[Rod Grimwood]

Bryan, I wonder if it is a age thing as when young we have selective hearing (experiencing this with grandson) and as we reach the other end of scale we only listen to what really interests us as well.

[Nathan Wood]

Hey Guys, Just want to say its been great to run my XF Falcon (Fairmont) with the HSS Class, bit of a dream to be sharing a grid with the likes of the Addis Charger, Sidchrome Mustang, Algie monaro, alfetta, Custaxi.. ect...ect... Thanks to John for making me feel so welcome and doing a great job of co-ordinating the class... I hope I didn't scare anybody with the flame thrower at the NZFMR.... settled it down now, was much better at Legends, Cheers Nathan.25148

[Rod Grimwood]

Hey Guys, Just want to say its been great to run my XF Falcon (Fairmont) with the HSS Class, bit of a dream to be sharing a grid with the likes of the Addis Charger, Sidchrome Mustang, Algie monaro, alfetta, Custaxi.. ect...ect... Thanks to John for making me feel so welcome and doing a great job of co-ordinating the class... I hope I didn't scare anybody with the flame thrower at the NZFMR.... settled it down now, was much better at Legends, Cheers Nathan.25148



Nathan, heard you are in charge of BBQ's next meeting. The main thing is, Nathan you enjoyed it and.

[Steve Holmes]

Hey Guys, Just want to say its been great to run my XF Falcon (Fairmont) with the HSS Class, bit of a dream to be sharing a grid with the likes of the Addis Charger, Sidchrome Mustang, Algie monaro, alfetta, Custaxi.. ect...ect... Thanks to John for making me feel so welcome and doing a great job of co-ordinating the class... I hope I didn't scare anybody with the flame thrower at the NZFMR.... settled it down now, was much better at Legends, Cheers Nathan.25148

Awesome photo Nathan. Love the flame thrower! Is you XF V8 or 6 cylinder powered?

[Bryan]

Bryan, I wonder if it is a age thing as when young we have selective hearing (experiencing this with grandson) and as we reach the other end of scale we only listen to what really interests us as well.

My wife says something similar...:eek:

[crunch]

25114

Just noticed- no rear spoiler


REALLY????? Look in the background, think the yellow car might have enough rear spoiler for the whole field!

[Steve Holmes]

25114
I have just received some very interesting pics from Jim Barclay of our favourites from the 80s.
This is an early one of Graemes Charger at Pukekohe 1979.
The background cars make for interesting examination also- cant see many rice burners.
Will post some more this afternoon.
Just noticed- no rear spoiler

Thats right John, no rear spoiler in its earlier guise. Made the car very hard to drive, and the lack of rear downforce made the back end break away too easily. These cars were real science projects.

[Nathan Wood]

2528625287its just a Mild 250 crossflow 6 Steve, actually still the motor the car came out the factory with.

[seaqnmac27]

REALLY????? Look in the background, think the yellow car might have enough rear spoiler for the whole field!

Seeing as that yellow car in the background is PDL2, that would date this as either the 77/8 or 78/9 season.

[Steve Holmes]

Yep, spot on Sean. It would be January 1979. That was the year Bay Park, Pukekohe, and Manfield hosted the three round Open Saloon Car series, with Jim Richards and John Briggs shipping their cars out to compete against the top NZ cars. Most of the local cars competing had been mothballed, as Motorsport NZ had introduced a maximum 2 litre engine limit for racing sedans following the 1977 ShellSport NZ Saloon Car Championship, due to dwindling numbers. So none of the V8s raced in the 1977/78 season, other than those racing in the South Island in OSCA, such as Inky Tulloch.

The PDL team dusted off PDL II, and added an extended front splitter at the base of the front bodywork to aid front downforce. To counter that, they also fitted that tall rear wing shown in that photo John posted, mounted on metal struts. The wing was actually off an unused McLaren F5000 they had sitting in their workshop. According to Leo Leonard, the additional rear downforce and grip from that wing was immense, allowing him to drive around the outside of Richards' Falcon sports sedan at turn one and right through the following right hand sweeper at Manfield.

Note that when the Stewart family completed the most recent restoration on this car in the mid-2000s, they fitted a tall rear wing to it, which it hadn't worn since that 1979 season. However, they decided the narrow McLaren F5000 wing didn't look too nice, so made up a new wider version instead.

[CUSTAXIE50]

So you would like to commercialise Historic Racing Ray? I thought that was against the ethos of Historic motorsport? Ok the cus2 may be at the back,but you have to say thats one cool photo,

[TonyG]

Here is one for you Custaxie50. Thought you may appreciate this one from my brothers slide scans that I have just received.
At Puke not sure of year. 67 Maybe!
http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq204/TGPhotography/Keiths%20Slide%20Scans/KEITH_0126-2_zps7b5a3b70.jpg (http://s448.photobucket.com/user/TGPhotography/media/Keiths%20Slide%20Scans/KEITH_0126-2_zps7b5a3b70.jpg.html)

I have to run them through some better programs to try to restore the colours yet but have more to come from all around the 66 - 68 years and then a few that creep into the 70's.

[CUSTAXIE50]

Here is one for you Custaxie50. Thought you may appreciate this one from my brothers slide scans that I have just received.
At Puke not sure of year. 67 Maybe!
http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq204/TGPhotography/Keiths%20Slide%20Scans/KEITH_0126-2_zps31afaafd.jpg (http://s448.photobucket.com/user/TGPhotography/media/Keiths%20Slide%20Scans/KEITH_0126-2_zps31afaafd.jpg.html)

I have to run them through some better programs to try to restore the colours yet but have more to come from all around the 66 - 68 years and then a few that creep into the 70's. Like night and day,cus1-cus2 today,but always good to see the new car out there.Anyone know when this car will be out next time.

[John McKechnie]

CUSTAXIE50- I gave him our meeting schedule for this year,and our next racing is Icebreaker in September. Everyone who raced before is automatically invited. Anyone who has a suitable car that they would like to run with us should contact me. I am hoping Custaxie 2 will come out to race again

[John McKechnie]

A reminder to everyone out there-
Historic Racing Club and Hampton Downs have been so good to give our class 4 meetings a year, so lets show our appreciation by being there, either racing or visibly supporting these surviving NZ authentic race cars from that period.

First one- Ice Breaker, September 13-14th 2014 at Hampton Downs

I will send out emails to drivers who have competed before.
Also if anyone has an OSCA, past NZ Sports Sedan, Shellsport or NZ historic car from that period that wants to run with us, please contact me - the class coordinator-and tell me what you have.
This is simply about getting these cars out for 4 times a year to have nostalgia and fun.
With all the wet and wild weather we have been having recently, we could have a dry run .
Pete- will the Skoda be ready for this?
Rod Grimwood from another thread-
"Yep, and he has his (old) car ready for a run as well, so he can pace her."
What is this car, will it fit in and does he want to run at this meeting?
As the class has Invited Allcomers to run with them ,as previously , I will be running my car as well and inviting Custaxie 2, Zephyr Corvette and some others to make up an interesting mix for some hot action on a cold day.

[Shoreboy57]

Thanks for the reminder John - a new season - that's something to look forward to on these cold days

[Rod Grimwood]

Yep he is ready to run, and car has previous Sports Sedan and OSCA History, car info shortly.

Don't forget people, it's all about giving the cars a run and keeping our old shoulders and arms busy for the BBQ. No winners, just the motor sport public and enthusiasts to admire some history and a excuse to get together.

[GeebeeNZ]

John That sounds great. Even if the cars aren't 100% authentic (Custaxie 2) I am sure the public will still love them.

[Snoozin]

I intend on being here, camera in hand! Can't wait!

[John McKechnie]

Just an update on the Icebreaker-
Custaxie 2 wont be there as Robert will be overseas.
Dennis Running -RX8 -yes.
Cam Crawford-XA Coupe-yes.
Graeme Addis- Charger-yes.
Gordon Burr-Alfetta- yes.
John Telford- RX7 V8.- if the weathers ok, then yes(only has drys)
Ralph Mossman- Grimmie has details-yes.
Garry Haynes- RX7 V8 (chev 350 LT1, willwood 6 pot front, 4 pot rear)-yes
Graeme Park-Marina V8- not ready yet, will run Porsche in other class.
Roy Bingley- Commodore-yes.
Barry Algie-Monaro-yes.
John McKechnie XA Coupe-yes
Many thanks to you guys for putting your hands up so quickly. more to follow.

[John McKechnie]

HELP-
thermostat housing for a SD1 rover V8 - needed by one of the drivers.
Needed to be able to run at the Ice Breaker Sept

If you can help/supply/sell please reply here so you can be contacted.
Thanks guys

[John McKechnie]

Would like to welcome Ralph Mossman back to the track in HSS.
On #425,in 1984 the grid has the Alfetta, Starlet Addis Charger, RX8, Algie Monaro and Ralf in his Viva.
There is also McLeans Commodore.
Now 30 years later, they are doing it again, talk about nostalgia, Parksy you are needed here a.s.a.p.
If the ex McLean Commodore now owned by Tony Boyden was to run, that would be another.
This class is definitely for the authentic cars and drivers.

[Rod Grimwood]

John it is Ralph, not the other it sounds like someone thats been in the news lately, and that he is not. (well not now anyway)

[Grant Sprague]

WHAT DID YOU SAAAAAAAYY .. I can relate to this lol :cool::cool:

[John McKechnie]

Rod- not sure who you are talking about, but have corrected the name.
Barry Algie just came round, he told me the other car in this 1984 grid is Baigent- the two were talking before the race.
This car is a Nissan, and is sitting at Wendlebourns and , according to Barry, needs some prepping and then can run.
Now wheres Ralphs old Viva?

[Andrew Metford]

Edited for the post below: That's well and truly fair enough John, my apologies to those concerned.

[John McKechnie]

Andrew-There are things tucked away there, but we must respect their privacy and not discuss on an open forum.

[Rod Grimwood]

Viva body is gone but other bits still survive.

[Jizim]

Just a correction John......Graeme Parks in the Marina. (sorry to correct you mate but best get it right for everyone that knows Graeme....and thats a lot of people.) With respect of course and regards, Tony Rutherford.

[GD66]

Graeme Park, in fact...

http://www.theinformer.co.nz/car-talk/graeme-park

[John McKechnie]

Historic Racing Club are having a pre season Shakedown test day, today -Saturday 23 at Hampton Downs.
Great weather with not a cloud in the sky for going out for some fun, testing, and generally blasting away the cobwebs.
First I need to vacuum and wash all the dust from the XA as it has been sitting since Legends.
Any one else been getting itchy feet waiting for Ice Breaker?

[GeebeeNZ]

John it was great to see you and a few other V8s out there today amongst our 60 2K Cup cars and those very quick Motul Hondas.

[gianttalkinghead]

XA looked terrific on Saturday at HD JM, and tell me what it was like to have fully functioning rear brakes as well??

[John McKechnie]

Cam- it was great having sharp brakes at last,excellent bias bar set up with twin master cylinders- thanks to Barry Algies imput, Unfortunately two separate times I was leaving the braking very late and spun on the first corner. You saw one of them. I wasnt there earlier when Garry told everyone to keep off the grass as it was wet and very slippery, thought I was going to take the side out on the fence. That very tidy white 2014 racing Mustang was right behind me when the back stepped out the second time-and he has great brakes. Thought I was going to revisit the fence where Gerald Fogg ended up. Next time we must synchronize our slides for the crowd. Still got your petrol tank-how do I get it back to you- or give it to you at Ice Breaker? Mark didnt show.

[John McKechnie]

The Ice Breaker is in 2 weeks, and I will be contacting each person on the list.

Help is needed with Barry Algie-
Monaro is up and running, and he is super keen to deal to the Alfetta , Charger, and the rest of us.
Currently his budget does not include a tow car, his own trailer cant be used and the one used at the previous meeting is unavailable.
The trailer for the XA- Scottys- wont take it because the covered part wont accommodate the Monaro flares
Is there a kind hearted, philanthropic person- no prefs for male or female here- who has a car trailer and a tow wagon that can get him there and back.
We dont want to miss out on having him on the grid for this meeting, so if you want to be part of the cation, please contact me here or a pm.

[gianttalkinghead]

Cam- it was great having sharp brakes at last,excellent bias bar set up with twin master cylinders- thanks to Barry Algies imput, Unfortunately two separate times I was leaving the braking very late and spun on the first corner. You saw one of them. I wasnt there earlier when Garry told everyone to keep off the grass as it was wet and very slippery, thought I was going to take the side out on the fence. That very tidy white 2014 racing Mustang was right behind me when the back stepped out the second time-and he has great brakes. Thought I was going to revisit the fence where Gerald Fogg ended up. Next time we must synchronize our slides for the crowd. Still got your petrol tank-how do I get it back to you- or give it to you at Ice Breaker? Mark didnt show.

Hey JM, yes, you were very entertaining mate, especially good effort considering it was a test day - i wonder if film of your adventures at turn one will make Garys greatest hits??
I will either swing by yours and get the 20 litre drum or if id ont turn up beforehand get it off you at the ice breaker

[gianttalkinghead]

where is the Monaro based JM?

[John McKechnie]

Cam- will call you.

[Peter Nelson]

Great thread and I have really enjoyed reading and the seeing photos, looking forward to seeing the cars again this summer at hampton downs when they are the the festival events again. Thanks to all the teams, drivers and owners for getting these cars back on the track so us spectators can enjoy them again. Hopefully a few more on the way by the sounds of things too which is awseome. Well done to all involved.

[Nathan Wood]

I really hope Barry Algie can get there JM, I "A" frame mine down otherwise I would be more than happy to go pick it up. Looking forward to mixing it up with the HSS again, Have NZV8 Driver Andrew Anderson making a guest appearance in my Falcon for a couple of the races too.

[John McKechnie]

Nathan- looks like we are OK for Barry, will know tomorrow.
Also have sent you a PM.
Please note that this class is by Invitation only, only the Invited drivers will run- no stand ins or substitutions.

[fullnoise68]

Nathan- looks like we are OK for Barry, will know tomorrow.
Also have sent you a PM.
Please note that this class is by Invitation only, only the Invited drivers will run- no stand ins or substitutions.

John, for what it`s worth, making a statement like your `invitation only' one is the quickest way to get guys to keep their cars in the shed. Yes, you are right if it`s an unknown random guy that wants to drive someone elses car, but what would you now do if say Brett Willis wants to have a drive in Ralph Mossmans car or the biggest fish of all .... if Jim Richards gets to drive his old Mustang. Is that different ....... that`s what you have a drivers briefing for, so everyone is on the same page.

[ERC]

Beg to differ fullnoise68. We took legal advice on this 19 years ago, as it is the only way to control who runs with us.

Legally, if someone rocks up with a compliant car that conforms to the rules, but is a terror on or off the track in any way shape or form, you can't stop them running unless it is an invitation race/series. Far from keeping cars in sheds, it gives those who compete a degree of protection.

If it kept cars in sheds, then we wouldn't have had over 100 registered drivers for the last few years! (Currently, 57 paid up for the new season.)

When someone like John stands up in an arena well known for cars that may be considered dubious or less so, dodgy drivers, or troublesome drivers, then the series convenor needs to be able to protect himself and also the other drivers and remain true to a philosophy.

The only reason I got lumbered with running what was then the BMC Series was because the guy who started it was hassled by a driver well known to most of you, who took things to court when he didn't agree with a decision agreed to by all the other drivers. The convenor walked away after ten years of selfless dedication to the cause. No one blamed him for walking away.

We can ill afford to lose those who are prepared to stand up and do the voluntary work that the majority of drivers do not want to do.

They just want to leave everything to someone else, so that they can just enjoy their hobby.

[fullnoise68]

Ray, you really need to open those blinds and let the sun shine in, there`s a big world out there. I`m all for John wanting to keep a lid on what happens, but my comments were based on helping to revive that class, not stand behind the entrance door with a baseball bat....

[Bryan]

If I understand Ray, what he meant was that if George wanted to run Jim in the Mustang, George would talk to John and John would "invite" Jim. If some clown with a bad reputation turns up demanding to run, John can say "sorry, not invited".

Based on previous bad experiences (as I read it).

[fullnoise68]

You are right Bryan, that is how I also see it. The point I was trying to make is quite simply that if Nathan Wood was going to allow Andrew Anderson - who is no dummy - to drive his Falcon, on the basis that he is not entering a Smashfest, where is the problem? What about the scenario of if Jackson French wanted Trevor Crowe to have a pedal of his old Starlet? Unlike some others, I haven`t lived under a rock for the past 50 years, and for me it`s more about the enjoyment for others as we are all only here once, life is not a rehearsal ......

[John McKechnie]

As coordinator, Im not prepared to have a NZV8 driver, who has no experience running with Historic racing, running for the first time at a Historic meeting in someone elses car in Historic Sports Sedans .
There are irreplaceable cars out there, end of story.
Bryan- you have 100% understanding and communication .

[Frosty5]

As coordinator, Im not prepared to have a NZV8 driver, who has no experience running with Historic racing, running for the first time at a Historic meeting in someone elses car in Historic Sports Sedans .
There are irreplaceable cars out there, end of story.
Bryan- you have 100% understanding and communication .

Hi John, I guess what you are saying here is that NZV8 drivers are cowboys. If Murph was asked to drive an HSS car would you exclude him (and I am not a Murph fan) if the owner wanted him to drive. I think you are drawing a very long bow if you by inference to exclude NZV8, Supertourer or even V8 Supercar drivers from participating in your class. Surely if the owner would wish to have a named driver pedal his car, why not. I have to agree with Fullnoise that this is the best way to turn people off. The big picture is the more you get some named drivers pedaling some of these rocket ships then the more punters you get through the gate and the benefits may certainly cascade down to the owners. Imagine Jim Richards at full tilt in Georges Mustang or Paul Fahey in the PDL Mustang or Robbie Francevic in the CUSTAXIE. The mind boggles. I recall when at the drivers briefing when the Custaxie first came to HD the general consensus was, no taps and give the other guy room, everyone agreed and all the cars came back unscathed. Do you really think that some named driver is going to deliberately go out and do damage. I feel that is just a tad insulting to some of those drivers who may or may have not been approached.These guys have got to drive the cars they do because of their skill and talent. Yes, over exuberance does happen I admit but surely as a guest driver are you really going to stick it to the guy in front. I think not.I just hope your class survives and would love to be proven wrong in my comments.
Cheers Dave Graham

[John McKechnie]

So you are saying that I am too slow a driver and Dean Perkins should be put in my car to provide more bang for the spectators ?

[Frosty5]

So you are saying that I am too slow a driver and Dean Perkins should be put in my car to provide more bang for the spectators ?

John, I am really sorry, but I think you have missed the point altogether. Perhaps what you are saying is correct. Who knows. But I am not going to get into a war of words with you, I am just passionate about this sport and see agendas forming a road block to the detriment of the enjoyment of spectators, owners and drivers.

Cheers Dave Graham

[John McKechnie]

Putting it simply Dave- I invited one driver. He didnt tell me his plan, didnt ask, just posted it publically that someone else was going to drive instead of him. For you , this action is perfectly OK?

[Oldfart]

I have been following this with interest. I see both sides, however what quickly comes to mind are the antics of some of the "named drivers" who are placed in cars at Goodwood.
Yes I do know it's a different kettle of fish where the organisers tell the car owners who will drive their cars and if there is damage the driver has no responsibility to contribute. There it's a case of "we want big name drivers to get the crowds along" and look what happens. No, I am not saying that is what would happen, but it is always a possibility. This has always had the catch cry "The Cars are the Stars". Personally I think invitation is just fine. For those of us who despise the "rubbing is racing" ethos I like it just the way it is. Incidentally I was leaning on the pit wall a while back with Dave Oxton, the discussion related to the way Formula Fords are driven. His comment was "If we had driven like that, I would be dead".

[Paul Wilkinson]

If I was lucky enough to own and drive one of these fantastic cars, like many other drivers, it would represent a disproportionate amount of my net-worth. As such I would want to know that the organiser was making sure that only people with the right attitude were being added to the grid. It doesn't appear to be a system that makes it hard for a new driver to take part. It looks to be fairly open and pragmatic. I would suggest a big turn-off may be potential drivers reading confrontational posts that basically insult people who have the temerity to hold a different opinion.

[Rod Grimwood]

Think we are moving away from the cars, and thats what it is really about. Any person driving regardless of if they are F1 driver or weekend fun warrior in his pride and joy, get the same message at drivers briefing, and also the 'class rule' of "give room, no diving down inside etc, and NO CONTACT" they all understand there is no prizes. This is FUN and a run for the machinery. If a person breaks the 'code' then it can be handled with a withdrawal of invite.

Come Friday 12th get the cars ready, wash the sleep from the eyes, and don't take too much sugar or energy drinks and wander down for a bit of fun.

[John McKechnie]

Talking of cars, I have had an update of Rodger Williams Mercedes.out there.
At the Jan meeting in practice, he had a major rear end mechanical.
With the Camaro coming in for HMC, his energies were diverted.
The good news is that it will be running again, not at the Ice Breaker, but probably next Jan.
Barry Algie tell me he cant wait to have a crack at him, Graeme Addis also wants some of the action, and is not bothered by its pace.
The rest of us will have to jump in the slip stream before they get away.

[John McKechnie]

Some more- Peter Gunther tells me that the Skoda wont be ready, engine still waiting to be put in. One week to go-any one want to help Pete?
Dennis Running told me today he is waiting for new valves to arrive for the RX8,it will be tight, but he still wants to be there.
Mark Allen with the Viva is currently updating his brakes, and Whittaker meeting will be its first test. He also says wants to be at Jan meeting with Graeme Barnes-ex Friend Capri. Graeme ie redoing his exhaust at the moment.

[John McKechnie]

25850
This could be in - who, when where.
However, since this one of our drivers, then it belongs here.
Who is this extremely loose cannon here, and he didnt roll the car
No cheating by carjam the registation

[Rod Grimwood]

This is a classic, Ralph Mossman at Manfield and he caught it and kept going. Talking with him other day and he reckons he shut his eyes and it came right, but I think he caught it as he is a good peddler and look at his head turned and looking, that car was a beast. Said they adjusted the peddle box but went wrong way and cranked on rears.

His Monte is a piece of art and can not wait to see it next weekend. Neat car and neat rooster with it.

[rogered]

25850
This could be in - who, when where.
However, since this one of our drivers, then it belongs here.
Who is this extremely loose cannon here, and he didnt roll the car
No cheating by carjam the registation

Mr G.A.

[John McKechnie]

Rodger-Why do you say that?
Also just got off the phone to Graeme Barnes, he said you used to run NI OSCAs with him, obviously some excellent history here.
Gives you his regards, and absolutely wants to bring the Capri up to have some more battles with you and the guys in January.
I am booking a shed for him tonight.
Aint life neat...........

[John McKechnie]

Transport situation all sorted with Barrys Monaro.
Width of car from outer wheel to other side is 2250 which rules most trailers out.
Wayne at Pakuranga Auto Transport has given a good price and the Monaro will be there on Friday afternoon for some special attention-to be revealed later.
Richard Quinn has been having trouble with the imput shaft on his car, motor is fine, parts just take some time to organize. Wont be here for Ice Breaker but definitely for Jan.

[rogered]

Rodger-Why do you say that?
Also just got off the phone to Graeme Barnes, he said you used to run NI OSCAs with him, obviously some excellent history here.
Gives you his regards, and absolutely wants to bring the Capri up to have some more battles with you and the guys in January.
I am booking a shed for him tonight.
Aint life neat...........

pretty sure he had an a40 early on,
be great to have graeme , tony and team on the grid, great guys the feilding mob:)

[John McKechnie]

Hello John,
You can quote the below on TRS if you wish.

Rgds,

GA.
Hello John,
I was unable to contact Roger last week, but I am pleased you have, and that you have taken my comment about him being included seriously. Thank you.

As for the Transam Aurora, great looking car, but I have no knowledge of it, it’s history or significance in terms of Historic Sports Sedans, or if it fits within the cut off year. Perhaps you can tell me.
My Charger is a true Certificate of Description (COD) car. I have decided to put the initials COD beside the Charger’s door numbers and on the windscreen, so there can be a clearly seen distinction between a real Historic Sports Sedan and the “fillers”. I think other COD owners will eventually do the same.

Re the “biking” A40 Farina… a Jack Inwood photo….Elbow at Puke…I have a black and white original of this photo that Jack brought into Wild Wheels a couple of weeks after that race meeting…he said that although I had been biking the car around that corner in previous laps, this time it left him shaking, because he did not whether to run, or tough it out and take the shot…big brave bear was our Jack..I miss him.

Just a polite point of correction re space frame based sports sedans…on TRS in the Rebirth Of A Classic thread….Rod Grimwood commented about Brett Willis’ Commodore “The Mazda was Chev powered spaceframe, as was the Camaro. Brett ran a spaceframe Commodore before the Mazda and it was a ground breaking car in sports sedans when it arrived as it was basically the first full space frame car in class along with Bob Homewoods little Escort. Lindsay built a about another 4 frames and cars for other people during this time”
The PDL 2 Mustang, Jim Richards Falcon Coupe, and the Addis Charger, were the first full spaceframe sports sedans and predated the Willis Commodore and the Homewood Escort by approximately 9 years.

I have always made my thoughts about handicap racing starts, and the historic carnage that has happened with these events.
In a handicap start, I will always run off the back, not get involved in the “dance of the desperates” and just play around with the brake bias, or some practice cornering approaches maybe.

Once again John, thank you very much for the work you do for everybody.

Best regards,

Graeme Addis.

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Hello John,
You can quote the below on TRS if you wish.

Rgds,

GA.
Hello John,
I was unable to contact Roger last week, but I am pleased you have, and that you have taken my comment about him being included seriously. Thank you.

As for the Transam Aurora, great looking car, but I have no knowledge of it, it’s history or significance in terms of Historic Sports Sedans, or if it fits within the cut off year. Perhaps you can tell me.
My Charger is a true Certificate of Description (COD) car. I have decided to put the initials COD beside the Charger’s door numbers and on the windscreen, so there can be a clearly seen distinction between a real Historic Sports Sedan and the “fillers”. I think other COD owners will eventually do the same.

Re the “biking” A40 Farina… a Jack Inwood photo….Elbow at Puke…I have a black and white original of this photo that Jack brought into Wild Wheels a couple of weeks after that race meeting…he said that although I had been biking the car around that corner in previous laps, this time it left him shaking, because he did not whether to run, or tough it out and take the shot…big brave bear was our Jack..I miss him.

Just a polite point of correction re space frame based sports sedans…on TRS in the Rebirth Of A Classic thread….Rod Grimwood commented about Brett Willis’ Commodore “The Mazda was Chev powered spaceframe, as was the Camaro. Brett ran a spaceframe Commodore before the Mazda and it was a ground breaking car in sports sedans when it arrived as it was basically the first full space frame car in class along with Bob Homewoods little Escort. Lindsay built a about another 4 frames and cars for other people during this time”
The PDL 2 Mustang, Jim Richards Falcon Coupe, and the Addis Charger, were the first full spaceframe sports sedans and predated the Willis Commodore and the Homewood Escort by approximately 9 years.

I have always made my thoughts about handicap racing starts, and the historic carnage that has happened with these events.
In a handicap start, I will always run off the back, not get involved in the “dance of the desperates” and just play around with the brake bias, or some practice cornering approaches maybe.

Once again John, thank you very much for the work you do for everybody.

Best regards,

Graeme Addis.


Please be-sure to bring my chocolate fish, being the prize for the above quiz. on the A40

[John McKechnie]

Rodger-This must be a quiet thread with only one reply.
But as I only need to provide one chocolate fish- flavour,size and weight unspecified- it will be brought along and you can munch it while reading about Jim Boyd.
Ralph was asking just now if you were running at the Ice Breaker, told him you were.
You have quite a following as that makes 5 people asking the same question.

[John McKechnie]

Hello John,
The A40 is a story …won a lot of stuff with it…had to put up with a lot of crap as well….for me, this has never changed…..even a hassle over a log book 2014…never could abide mini Hitlers…talentless gnomes.
Doing in the dirt with speedway…real people..real racing…brilliant engineering….and bloody hard work…I love it..hot dogs,chips, mud and methanol, and no bullshit…440 yards in an oval, in mud, in 12.46 seconds…you only breath twice a lap...tarmac cant compete!!
A40 Farinas had a beautiful aesthetic that I believe has not been repeated in the auto design industry …and actually was the world’s first hatchback.
That story is part of a book I am writing…about..Kiwi Motorsport, Good stuff, and Bullshit….not able to tell you much more at this time..without compromising the book.
Quote me ..I don’t mind.
B/rgds,
Graeme Addis.

[Nathan Wood]

Hi Guys, I want to make an Apology here as I posted earlier that NZV8 Driver Andrew Anderson would be making an appearance in my Falcon at Icebreaker, I was unaware that I had to ask permission from John, I am newish to this so I suppose its a "rookie" mistake.
I certainly didn't want to upset anybody, it was just a plan to re-unite a Anderson in a Falcon like the early 80's when Bruce (Andrews Father) drove with Dick Johnson in the Pinepac XE Falcon.
Like I said I am very sorry if I have upset anybody and have changed my plans.

Regards Nathan Wood.

[John McKechnie]

Big day happened at HD today- Barrys Monaro had a super professional photo shoot for a major overseas mag.
Barry has been working extremely hard to get it ready for this and the exposure for this will really kindle interest in Historic Sports Sedan Racing in more than just lil ole nz
All credit to Barry , JAFA and Scotty for their imput this to happen.
The weather held off and later the garage doors were shut
And you will all know about it when it hits the shops.
Scotty will be the coordinator for HSS this weekend as I am unable to be there or even drive

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Scotty will be the coordinator for HSS this weekend as I am unable to be there or even drive[/QUOTE]


WTF What about my chocolate fish!! :(