Guess the driver of this Jag

[faminz]

Ive been doing a commission for a local chap who used to race this Jag years ago.
Just thought it might be a good subject for digging up some old memories.
So can anyone guess his name?

I even have a video of the Lyttelton street race with him in it. He also raced a red E-Type and a red XJS I believe...

Sorry about the snap, got a bit of glare on the front.

Still got the inside to do and some sort of simple background. So far this is all coloured pencil work and has taken about 2 weeks of evenings..

[ERC]

Nice work - but I haven't a clue. Well outside of my very limited NZ knowledge field!

[jim short]

E Spraque

[Russ Cunningham]

E Spraque

Hi Jum,
You sure it was'nt Ivy?

[Grant Sprague]

Hi Jim , No , but when I first saw it I thought so or Peters Jag [pumpkins ], Ernie , sold his mk 2.... 3.8 , years before that street race, this car has mags , ?? Ernie never had a 60 number ? Mind you there was only about two that came from racing history in the earlier days in red from S I the other was Peter peter pumkin eaters , & he only raced that once at levels & backwards & forwards to Chch lol if my memory serves me right . PS JIM" Hows Shorty & Marty getting along I see they use the old number 5 from the day Shorty puchased the Anglia???. Hey Russ nice to see you here are you still living in Tga if pop in some time ............... Kind Regards Grant

[jim short]

Hi Grant ,the No5 goes back to 1983 to 88 when that tall chap decided he would like it , .Must catch up ,perhaps when Geofs new home finished ,could be quite a party overlooking the lake,real proud of Martin, up Leadfoote in 54.5 ,funny how it skips a generation!!!

[jim short]

Dont think they be mags ,has a spinner nut???

[Grant Sprague]

Yea but looks like a solid wheel?? Also remember Ernie & Ray raced with wire wheels in the S I , as for wills 6 hrs they might have had steel wheels for wheel changes , hey remember when Marty was very small , geof sent him to our table at cobb & co Taupo& asked me for a $1.00 was a lot of fun I had to give geof the odd talking too lol . Yes I am proud of marty also he has come a long way in a SHORT time lol. Hope he can keep the momentum going , meeting the right people & having good people around him will be the key now ??? Where is Geof building is he still in Hamilton its been a while between drinks .........

[jim short]

Yes you had me remembering his birthday{5} at Puke with all the pre 65 gang, have it on tape ,.Geoffs new place two rows back from the lakeside .looks over to the Hosp.up to the roof truse stage. prob be july aug.Stay in touch will need a large crowd to fill it at its opening

[Grant Sprague]

Yep will do , we go back a few , sounds like a go , shall i bring Alby ? , we leave girls at home lol . ps Alby now on his pat maloon , got a new one now , all good , he is a good buggar

[Russ Cunningham]

Hi Jim , No , but when I first saw it I thought so or Peters Jag [pumpkins ], Ernie , sold his mk 2.... 3.8 , years before that street race, this car has mags , ?? Ernie never had a 60 number ? Mind you there was only about two that came from racing history in the earlier days in red from S I the other was Peter peter pumkin eaters , & he only raced that once at levels & backwards & forwards to Chch lol if my memory serves me right . PS JIM" Hows Shorty & Marty getting along I see they use the old number 5 from the day Shorty puchased the Anglia???. Hey Russ nice to see you here are you still living in Tga if pop in some time ............... Kind Regards Grant

One of these days. Tell the girls to watch out for the Cunningham boys. Actually they're are nothing like their dad. Thank goodness.

[Grant Sprague]

Yea Mate I have A K 47 , just waiting . I have that remark like yours from mates ......... I keep strong look out ........ I built a tower with guns , I said to my girls just watch those little buggers as DAD WAS [not now] one of them lol

[jim short]

Yep will do , we go back a few , sounds like a go , shall i bring Alby ? , we leave girls at home lol . ps Alby now on his pat maloon , got a new one now , all good , he is a good buggar

No bring girls, Alby what hapen ?? a real good buggar ,perhaps I tell Geoff about it two

[Jac Mac]

Good to read the INFAMOUS South Canterbury code talk is alive & kicking, KP JR ZB FJ KM PM & others would be making furtive trips to the loo to try & write it all down & decipher later....:)

[Grant Sprague]

Hi Jac Mac,I take it you knew [know] the inner circle , all those guys from a deep south were so much fun , so many adventures etc , know doubt you know Tony Reardon [spelling] works for Hendrick N.C usa . I ended up getting a ZO6 through tony so the old group still works , How is Pat .M gee him and Ernie did some car deals , remember the pacer & GTHO deal .Good to catch up mate

[Grant Sprague]

Alby & Pam went their own ways still talking [ps this is common knowledge no goss]& friends makes it easier, they grew apart thats all I can say here , Alby ended up staying at car yard flat up stairs for about a year , & has moved in with a lady not for from here Cameron Road

[jim short]

Life can be strange ,happy sad all with no control, .you two really started pre 65 in those Anglias,wish Geoff had kept it,150+ bhp

[Grant Sprague]

Life can be strange ,happy sad all with no control, .you two really started pre 65 in those Anglias,wish Geoff had kept it,150+ bhp Jim , the [ex Grant Taylor] car just sold last weekend its a quick little car all sorted , had I known it was for sale I probably would have bought it went cheap all the good bits I would say 1/10,s puke..... But would be hard to go back there after the years in the mustang, girls are growing up now & im getting itchy feet lol. Only way to do it is do it right again , & that takes a lot of effort & $$$ as we get older ...... might be best I keep the money in the ole oak chest ...

[AMCO72]

Are we still supposed to be guessing the driver of this Jag, or are we on to reunions now?????
Now I think Jim knows his Jags, and and he guessed......E. Sprague........... G. Sprague says no......and that is as far as it got!!!!!!!
The number plate should tell us.

[jim short]

Are we still supposed to be guessing the driver of this Jag, or are we on to reunions now?????
Now I think Jim knows his Jags, and and he guessed......E. Sprague........... G. Sprague says no......and that is as far as it got!!!!!!!
The number plate should tell us.

Amco dont be such an old women ,theres plenty on here now ,I have never claimed to know my Jags,I was married in 62 and the last race I saw was in the wet at Ardmore I had no car for two years ,meaning when the Jags were running sadly I missed them ,.Now Mike Houragan raced a red E and a xjs but that was green when I saw it,he was a man of class as well Jaguars were his favorites as well,now with all the cars you had are you sure you did not have a red Mk 2??

[Grant Sprague]

I checked plate , a while ago , came back no history on car jam ...................unless I read numbers wrong

[AMCO72]

Jim, I think I can say without fear of contradiction that I have NEVER had a red car, MK 2 or otherwise. You see, RED cars to me are Ferraris, which you also know a bit about, and I have NEVER desired a Ferrari. Listening to that one going up the Leadfoot hill-climb it sounded, or should I say reminded me, of a two-stroke, 6 cylinder, Mercury outboard motor from 1965 !!!!!!!!

And credit where it is due........don't be modest, you DO know your Jags, whether you saw them racing or not.
If the car being depicted by Faminz has got knock-on Minilites, which it looks to have......doesn't that say Bert Govan.

Grant, don't think you could mistake the number plate unless your eyes are a bit like mine, but I make it....DP2632
Why would Faminz change that just for the hell of it to throw us all off the scent?

[AMCO72]

After writing that I was thinking about the Mercury out board motor. I am sure it was a 6 cylinder 2 stroke, and not a 3 cylinder 2 stroke. Did enough water-skiing behind one to get the sound firmly imprinted in my head. And it certainly wasn't a 4 stroke.
I remember the line of vertical spark-plugs when we took the engine cover off to clean the salt deposits off it after ski ing in the Lyttelton harbour.

[Dave Silcock]

No not Berts car wrong racing number and number plate. How about one of the Wyness bros? I seem to recall doing a red Mk2 for one of them many years ago.

[jim short]

Amco I agree the Ferrari and Maserati did not sound all that good getting to high tec perhaps,its a sad day when a 6 cyl. Holden sounds better,have disscused Govans cae but ???

[AMCO72]

Well theres a couple of knowledgable chaps on jags in NZ........D.S. & J.S. Perhaps Faminz can put us all out of our misery!

[Grant Sprague]

DID LOOK UP THE NUMBER PLATE ON CAR JAM YESTERDAY [HEY MIGHT HAVE GOT THE NUMBER WRONG?] AS NOT THAT CLEAR, IT CAME BACK AS NO HISTORY ///////////////////????????????

[Oldfart]

If the car is no longer registered Carjam has no info.

[Kwaussie]

Barry Longmore raced a 3.8 at Queenstown, Lyttelton and Dunedin in about 1988/89 - steel wheels and standard. It may have been a dark blue?
G. Corbet Christchurch & E. MacDonald Mosgiel had red 3.8's at Wigram Wings & Wheels 1985.
From old programmes.

[jim short]

Did E Spraque have two red Mk 2s one with black trim and one with tan???

[Grant Sprague]

Did E Spraque have two red Mk 2s one with black trim and one with tan??? No Jim but did have two , a red 3.8 as you probably know tan trim this one he did production races in SI & did the Wills once or twice , the 2nd one was bought in UK whilst him & Molly did an other UK trip he brought back a black 3.8 mk 2 & did a complete colour change to white.......

[faminz]

Gee I go away for a day or so and there's 30 replies!!!
Dave silcock got it.. This is the Mk II of Peter wyness.
He works in petone and has a common interest in collecting model cars ( although Peter goes for the top end CMC stuff)
I hope he likes the drawing.

Ps: might be doing an amco mini soon! After a 59 Oldsmobile commission! Lol

[Grant Sprague]

Thanks Faminz , that was a bit of fun & Hi to Dave [Silcock]. Dave I never meet you I was just a wee boy at those Wigram week ends but well remember your beautiful Jag with vented bonnet .......... etc